March 4, 2013 at 6:25 am #176792jessieparadoxes of peopleParticipant
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Keeper of King George's Coat of arms;Tiny's pickaxe;Belle's bronze vase;Emma Hacker device and true love kiss to Henry;Granny's surcharge on pickles;Snow's "Good will always win;Regina's apple turnover;Gold's pink shirt,Mickey phone,&glasses(1x12);RQ's chess set,and Chip's shattered remainsMarch 4, 2013 at 7:08 am #176805antbeeParticipant
I think this was one of the darkest episodes of the season.
It’s like we’re on the same wavelength after an episode. 😀 I totally agree though that it was really dark. I wasn’t actually expecting it to be since I thought “Manhattan” would be darker than it was, and it wasn’t that dark to me even with finding out the whole prophecy because there’s no way they’re going to kill off Henry. “The Queen Is Dead” really took me by surprise though, but I’m glad that the stakes actually do seem to matter now. For too long this season, imo, I’ve never really felt that anyone has really been in any kind of danger because they’ve been telling more than showing with Cora, and I can’t take Hook seriously as a villain. Tonight really changed things though, and for the first time, I really felt like anything could happen between now and the season finale. I only wish the writers could kick into gear throughout the whole season because last year was similar in that there were some good shows at the beginning, but then a lot of mediocre ones, until the last third of the season or got me hooked again.
First off, Regina has been getting more and more annoying. The scene where she claims that she was Queen and everyone else added the Evil to it–that was one of the dumbest things she said, and I’m glad Snow White didn’t both to feel guilty about that because she shouldn’t. Regina earned that title all on her own with her own actions.
Oh god I know. Really don’t see how they’re going to redeem Regina now either since she not only sent Anton after Charming, but more importantly she didn’t do anything to stop Johanna’s death at all, and probably would have killed her if Snow had kept the dagger. I’m sure they will redeem her though because I feel the writers are overly sympathetic to her character, but really at this point it’s ridiculous, because she’s had so many chances, but she still doesn’t get it.
First, I agree she’s earned her title all by herself. Snow wanted to be her friend and have a new mother figure in her life, but instead of blaming Cora like she should have, Regina had to focus all her hatred on a young girl. Second, she has to learn that she’s not going to earn everyone’s forgiveness and frankly maybe she shouldn’t. I really don’t see how the Storybrooke residents were being hypocritical at all. In fact, they really went out of their way in being nice to her when she should be in prison or worse for all the crimes that she’s committed.
And then her finally figuring out that Cora had planned for Snow White’s horse to go off on it’s own. I thought that was just stupid–she knows her mother. She knows what she is capable of. And yet she seems really slow to figure out what her mother has done.
Yes, that’s one reason last season I didn’t enjoy her as much as a villain to watch like I did Rumple because she seemed so dense at times not that people didn’t sometimes get the better of him, but most of the time he was ahead of everyone else. She did have little victories over some of the characters, but then she’d comment about Gold helping her and actually believing it, and I really couldn’t take her seriously as a villain because it should have been pretty obvious that Gold wasn’t helping her at all.
Rumpelstiltskin snapping at Henry was extreme–I get that he fears Henry, but the boy was obviously not at fault. This was all Captain Hook and Rumpelstiltskin’s feud.
Yes, I really didn’t like that part. It’s hard to fanwank it too because he was already nasty to Henry even before he was stabbed; although, I blame it all on him being so overwhelmed by all the new information and events that have happened in a relatively short amount of time. He’s back in the position of not having any power or control over his life, and it’s scaring the hell out of him. He really shouldn’t take it out on Henry though.
Loved the Fairytale Land story–Bailee Madison seriously does great as young Snow White. The scene with her mother, Johanna, and the ‘Blue Fairy’ were just heartbreaking.
This was the first time in a long that the show had thrown a surprised twist–Cora as the Blue Fairy was a surprise that I got as soon as she gave Snow White the candle. But it as still all the more powerful to see her.
Yes, I’m glad I wasn’t spoiled about the “Blue Fairy”. They really tore my heart out though with first Eva dying and then Johanna.
Also Ginnifer Goodwin–she was wonderful in the episode. Being patient and calm and kind–the last scene where she says she will kill Cora was cold and calm.
Yes, I can’t blame her for killing Cora either. While I don’t thinks she should do it just to have vengeance, I wouldn’t blame her for killing Cora out of self defense. Love that they gave Ginnifer Goodwin more to do than just argue with Charming over going back to the Enchanted Forest or not. I wish the writers would pair up different characters more like Regina and Snow because of the back story there instead of insisting on long stretches of characters being separated from each other or stories where the emotional impact is lost because they go too fast with the storytelling like Archie’s “death”.
The scene where Johanna died was horrible–I knew she was doomed, but the way she died shocked me. And I truly hated both Regina and Cora in that scene.
Oh I did too. Again, I really don’t think Regina should be given another chance after that; although, I know she will be.
Another plus was that there was no Greg–a huge relief
Yes, I really wish they would have saved him until next season or at least waited until maybe right before the finale before introducing him because there’s so many other things to get too that I really hate him taking away time from the other story lines. Plus, he really doesn’t fit in right now, imo.March 4, 2013 at 7:17 am #176807theeviloneParticipant
First off, I just want to put it out there. Rumplestiltskin and Regina are my favorite characters of the show and I want nothing more than to see there happiness. Redemption for them is what I want most. It hurts, it really hurts watching them mess up over and over again, but I still hold hope.
@Jessie:Paradoxes of people wrote:
@TheEvilOne:yeah,I agree they were hypocrites,but honestly it’s hard to forgive someone after all they’ve done!!!Not saying hypocrisy in their case or any case is acceptable,but I think they all tried(some more than others,yes),and there comes a point where you have to draw the line….
So true… but I love the fact that this show is written in a way that shows that not all good people are good and not all bad people are all that bad. Snow, family and their friends having this fault is a good example and Regina mentioning it brings it out to light. Because lets face it there are people out there that believe themselves to be complete saints and don’t believe themselves capable of this but are blind to some of the things they actually do. Believe me, I know Regina has done anything but the right thing which is why I also mentioned that she was waiving goodbye to her moment of redemption. But even Snow said Regina tried and yes they tried to give her the benefit that she might change before but at this particular moment they didn’t own up to their words and so all they say regarding forgiveness is hypocrisy in her eyes.
Gold being mean to Henry. It actually makes me think he would actually go through with killing him if it comes to that point. 😯
YOU obviously have never been near a patient in PAIN before. Gold had a poison hook thrust into his chest. He would not be nice to anyone … let alone a kid like Henry. (inquisitive and most time strong willed and pushy) Patients in severe pain draw inward and are usually unable to deal with anything but their pain. They tend to turn and be angry on those around them.
Frankly when I am hurt …. I am meaner than the devil… but I have the good sense to hide out in my home away from everyone. .
It wasn’t only the way he acted it is what he said, he clearly said he did this to him. He has already connected him as the boy that was mentioned in the prophecy to be his undoing. I really do not want this to happen I was actually hoping to see him more friendly toward Henry when I read the spoiler quote regarding Henry calling him grandpa. Rumple has good in him but he also has the Dark One inside and frankly I am not sure what part of him would win if he ever ends up against a wall in dark place. Oh… and yes I have seen people in pain, various people some with fractured ankles, some out barely from grave surgeries and some who have been beaten and no not everyone acts that way. He did because he is a violent man especially when he is scared. Really hope it was just fear this time around don’t want him messing up to that extreme.March 4, 2013 at 7:44 am #176809tombo671Participant
Faves: The witches! Incase anyone didn’t notice I’m a villain fan 🙂 Cora was amazing and so was Regina, glad she’s evil again, though it probably will be short lived.
Least Faves:: Snow and her cheesy “good side” rubbish, glad she’s finally gotten herself in reality.March 4, 2013 at 9:00 am #176816AtlanticaDreamParticipant
My favorite part: the costumes! They were phenomenal (especially Young Snow’s)
My least favorite part: the fact that now Snow has even more reason to hate her birthday 🙁
Proud Keeper of the DinglehoppersMarch 4, 2013 at 9:23 am #176818PheeParticipant
I’m gonna have to watch this one again before I can form coherent thoughts about it, but need some recovery time before a re-watch, because DAYUM.
Almost fell outta my chair when Blue turned into Cora. I was thinking, “Oh please let Blue be coming to secretly bring her buddy Eva back somehow,” and then BAM. Good to have it confirmed that Cora was indeed the one who killed Snow’s mother.
Oh, and one other thought for right now: Go Team NealfirePan!March 4, 2013 at 9:36 am #176822swanning-offParticipant
ARGH! That was so good.
Snow Flake’s mourning dress was AH MAY ZING. Brilliant costuming.
Favourite moments: Snow’s crisis of faith – is being good worth it? Is it right when all she wants is to protect the people she loves? Also LOVED the twist of the Cora/Blue Fairy thing. I had read the boards earlier today so I knew it was coming, but even with spoilers it was still brilliant.
Cora’s dead bed speech to the Queen (did anyone call her Eva in the episode or was that just the casting call name? Sometimes the casting call names change in the episode and I’m pretty sure that the Queen was never referred to by name) Solid gold AND I think it was pretty indicative that Cora and the Queen were sisters. The analogy that struck me was Esme and Lily Weatherwax in the Discworld book Witches Abroad (which is a tongue in cheek retelling of several fairytales, specifically Cinderella, with a new spin on what really makes a good witch good). At the end of that book, Esme, who is bad tempered, practical and obtuse to social niceties, dresses in regulation witches’ black, scares the life out of her neighbours and all in all seems to be the Bad Witch in her mannerisms, concludes that she had to be the Good Witch in her family – she had to be the one who always did the right thing. This was because her sister Lily ran off to be the Bad Witch – the nice fairy godmother style witch, all wonderful ballgowns and enchantments, but her intentions are really manipulative and awful. The juxtaposition of Nasty/Good Witch and Lovely/Bad Witch are excellent, and with the tongue in cheek characterisations removed, it reminded me of Cora and the Queen.
Cora is the Bad Witch, clearly. She learned her magic from the Dark One, uses Dark Magic constantly, has no hesitation in manipulating everyone in the world(s) to get what she wants. The Queen had a confidante in the Blue Fairy – what if she was the Good Witch? If she learned Good Magic, used it to protect the kingdom and used it sparingly because she understands that all magic comes with a price??
Sisters, enemies – somehow or other, Cora and Eva/the Queen know each other and go WAY back. Sisters is the easy option. Maybe both married into royal families, but Eva got the better deal and Cora was kicked out? (by George – I do like the theory that Cora was involved with George somehow) Maybe there was a Charming-like adoption thing that went on for the miller’s daughters, and Cora was the one left behind?
So many possibilities. So excited for the rest of the season!
Also, Emma continues to bring the lulz. This week my favourite bit was “You know how to captain a pirate ship?” and then the look on her face when Nealfire says “Yeah. Really. I do.”
Now. Rumple being a git to Henry. It wasn’t just his outburst post-stabbing. He was also being rude to Henry post-pizza. The line that looked so cute on paper (“Should I call you grandpa now?” “you can call me whatever you like”) was delivered perfectly – RC showed that Rumple has realised Henry is the boy he vowed to kill, and now he’s worried about what his undoing will be and what he should do with the conundrum of not wanting to kill family. Gold class acting there.March 4, 2013 at 4:56 pm #176936l jonesParticipant
Oh god I know. Really don’t see how they’re going to redeem Regina now either since she not only sent Anton after Charming, but more importantly she didn’t do anything to stop Johanna’s death at all, and probably would have killed her if Snow had kept the dagger.
The story is only into Season Two and you’ve already mapped out Regina’s fate.
I think it’s too soon to make this kind of judgement. After all, you didn’t really think Regina’s redemption was going to be this easy did you? And she can’t depend on Henry or the arrogant Snow White to dictate her redemption. She has to achieve this on her own terms. After all, Ben Linus did on “LOST”.
She learned her magic from the Dark One, uses Dark Magic constantly, has no hesitation in manipulating everyone in the world(s) to get what she wants.
I don’t believe in the concept of “Dark Magic”. I don’t believe that anything described as “dark” is automatically evil. And I don’t believe that magic is “good” or “evil”. I think it all depends upon the intent and the results of the person who uses magic.March 4, 2013 at 5:21 pm #176949angiebelleParticipant
Favorite: Emma telling Gold that he is family now because he is Henry’s grandfather. Snow declaring she is going to kill Cora. Gold telling Emma she wants another chance with Neal. Neal saying “Papa!” Neal saying he knows how to sail a pirate ship. Neal saying he doesn’t want his father to die.
Least: Gold grabbing Henry…I’m starting to doubt my belief that he won’t harm the kid. Johannah getting thrown out the window and crushed on the pavement- horrifying.March 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm #176966nonnieParticipant
@Jessie:Paradoxes of people wrote:
Also,anyone else pay attention when Blue said that in order for a life to be saved,one must be lost?Kind of ties with what Frankenstein said in 2×12
I think that was when it was CORA pretending to be BF… and yes that does harken back to Frankenstein.
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