May 6, 2013 at 1:25 pm #136671
This is kind of a crazy theory, but when I heard that the shadow was only looking for boys, I thought what if Rumple had this whole island orchastrated to find Bae.
It reminded me of when King Herod ordered all the babies two years and under to be killed because Jesus was the prophesided king. Except for Rumple is looking for his son so he is ordering the shadow to collect all the boys in our land around the age of 14.
Rumple wouldn’t have found Bae because he was with Hook. If Hook found out that Bae was Rumple’s son, he wouldn’t have let Rumple find him.
Just a crazy idea![adrotate group="5"]May 6, 2013 at 1:36 pm #191457PriceofMagicParticipant
I wonder if the Lost Boys would see Rumple as some kind of boogeyman in Neverland. He is the dark one, and Bae had nightmares about him which could make Rumple “the stuff of nightmares”.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixMay 6, 2013 at 1:44 pm #191460RumplesGirlKeymaster
Hmm. That seems really dark, even for Rumple. We know he has a soft spot in his heart for children that have been abandoned. It’s the whole reason why he couldn’t kill Robin Hood in Lacey. If he did create some sort of shadow to hunt down Bae, why would the shadow be taking all these other boys to the island and leaving them there?"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 6, 2013 at 1:51 pm #191461
I don’t know. It kind of fits Rumple’s M.O. to me which is manupulating someone else (the shadow) to do the dirty work for him. He created the curse, how much dirtier can you get than that and he manipulated Regina into inacting it because he didn’t want to do it himself.
You are right about leaving them there, though. I don’t think Rumple would have wanted that. He is desperate to find his son though, who knows?May 6, 2013 at 2:07 pm #191463RumplesGirlKeymaster
I agree that it does fit parts of his M.O, i.e: manipulation and playing dirty.
He created the curse, how much dirtier can you get than that and he manipulated Regina into inacting it because he didn’t want to do it himself.
This is something I want them to address in S3 because it is still really unclear if the Curse was already in existence before Rumple or if he created it from scratch. In The Return the Blue Fairy said:
Rumpelstiltskin: A curse?
Blue Fairy: No.
Rumpelstiltskin: Ah! So, it is a curse.
Blue Fairy: Of course you would think of a curse instead of a blessing. Your magic is limited by its own rotten core, Rumpelstiltskin. Anyway, it can’t be done. Not without a great price.
Rumpelstiltskin: I’ve already paid a great price.
Blue Fairy: So, you’d be willing to sacrifice this world for the next? Because that’s how great the price is.
It seems like the Curse is already in the world, but that Rumple had to find it and put it together. Yet when he talks about it, like in A Land Without Magic he says he created it.
But I take your point."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 6, 2013 at 3:11 pm #191475
it is still really unclear if the Curse was already in existence before Rumple or if he created it from scratch
That is true. I was going off the fact that Rumple had said he created in the episode A Land Without Magic. I forgot about the convo between Blue Fairy and Rumple. I hope they address this in S3 as well.
But like I said in my orignal post, it’s a crazy theory! Rumple probably had nothing to do with Neverland, but it is neat thought because he has had his hand in most other fairy tales as we have seen 🙂May 6, 2013 at 3:34 pm #191486kfchimeraParticipant
I don’t think Rumpel created Neverland itself (since there were fairies and mermaids on it…why bother? Plus he hated fairies). He might have created the shadow though, perhaps created from Bae’s own hair or something like that, and sent it to find him.
I don’t see Rumpel cruelly separating 100’s of boys to find his own, but I do see him putting something into motion without realizing the cost. He may know magic has a price, but even with his seer powers he doesn’t always know what it is. He dealt in babies after all. He taught Cora and Regina and they created lots of orphans and corpses.
I do think it is something else though, because I have this theory about how Bae escapes.
Wendy said “once you set foot in Neverland”–well, tecnically, Bae lands in the water, and ends up on Hook’s ship. Perhaps he manages never to actually touch the land (perhaps that’s why he ends up flying?) and so he avoids whatever it is that binds you to the island.
I’m probably just reading in to what she meant. But if it is something like that, it’s not really the Shadow but the land that keeps them there, then I totally could see Rumpel having set the shadow in motion.
I still also think my other theory–that the shadow was an unintentional creation because of dark one magic mixing with fairy magic could be at work.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-GlassMay 6, 2013 at 3:43 pm #191488
I don’t think Rumpel created Neverland itself
Neither do I. I just believe that he THINKS he controlled the shadow, but in reality, the shadow (or the island itself) was keeping the boys there without his knowledge.
but I do see him putting something into motion without realizing the cost.
Exactly, Rumple does tend to do this a times. Because of his seer abilities, he doesn’t see the BIG picture.May 6, 2013 at 6:33 pm #191565DemiletoParticipant
I think it’s a given that Rumple stopped by Neverland at some point; not only he knew Smee became part of Hook’s crew and Bae mentioned seeing what he does to people who breaks deals, but he also wouldn’t be a true Crocodile if he’d never gone to NL. But Rumple being responsible for the kidnapping Shadow? I think that’s too much, I doubt they’ll go that route.May 6, 2013 at 6:39 pm #191570PriceofMagicParticipant
I don’t think the shadow has anything to do with Rumple. He was too busy on finding a way to get to a land without magic so he could find Bae. Why go through all that and the curse if he intended the shadow to find Bae and bring him to Neverland?
Rumple was nicknamed the crocodile by Hook because of his appearance, he didn’t need to go to Neverland to get the nickname.
In regards to Smee, Rumple would’ve seen Smee on the ship when Milah was trying to bargain with him for the bean. It wouldn’t have taken much for Rumple to figure that if Smee hadn’t been killed by Hook, then it was likely Smee was pressganged into Hook’s crew.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of Felix
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