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Whether the Shadow is Peter’s or the Shadow turned evil or not is anybodies guess. I have a theory though what if Dr Facilier is brought into this and he’s the one that captured Peter and is controlling his shadow. A bit out of left field but if you don’t remember who Dr Facilier was go watch Princess and the Frog he was revered as the Shadow King and used Voodoo magic on people.
[adrotate group="5"]I actually don’t think it’s too crazy a theory that Rumple’s dark magic somehow controls the Shadow that is searching for Lost Boys like Baelfire. It is very interesting that the Shadow only wanted lost boys, not girls. We know the Dark One controls the Wraith with his knife and the medallion. There could be come connection between the Wraith and shadowy NL. For example, we saw Bae use fire to deter the Shadow from taking him to the island in the exact same way same way we saw David, Snow and Emma use fire to deter the Wraith from taking Regina’s soul. So, just maybe NL is where lost souls go after the Wraith sucks them from their bodies. Rumple controls the Wraith. Rumple might also have controlled NL for the sake of finding his son. However, I hope for Rumple’s redemptive arch, the writers decide not to make Rumple the snatcher of Lost Boys. In some ways, that would be even worse than Rumple sacrificing the EF for the next just so he could be reunited with his son, whom he abandoned in the first place.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I agree that Rumple has a soft spot for children. I don’t think he’d ever get so dark as to try to harm a whole group of them. Unicorns were bad enough, that would just destroy him completely.
One of the things that’s been bugging me, especially since Bae apparently gives Hook his real name is that we know at some point Bae doesn’t want to be found by Rumple (and Baelfire sticks out like a sore thumb if anybody asks have you seen him? lol), so perhaps Hook does know his story and helps hide / protect Bae from Rumple.
Granted if he hadn’t done that then the curse would never have needed to happen because Bae didn’t stay for too long in a land without magic if he sacrificed himself for the Darling children and went to Neverland.
The timelines are the only thing bugging me right now (and I’m sure spinning heads everywhere!). We know that Rumple spoke with the Blue Fairy and learned that essentially the only way to find Bae was to create a curse. We also know that Bae was only in our world for 6 months + a few weeks with the Darling family and then sometime around then Rumple killed Milah and Hook went to Neverland. All of that happened in a short amount of time and then Rumple spent ages creating the curse he fully believed he needed in order to get to Bae.
Ooo! Ooo! What if….Rumple DID go to Neverland but he wasn’t actually LOOKING for Bae? He may have needed something from there (like say, squid ink? Which apparently only Rumple & mermaids! can get?) and maybe that is when Bae changed his name, hid from his father, and possibly got the help of Captain Hook!
I suppose it could be a bit like in “Hook” where Captain Hook becomes like a father to young Jack for a bit, putting on a baseball game for him when his father never went to his games etc etc, just on a longer, bigger scale.
Bae was always ready and willing to fight in the Ogre Wars, it was Rumple who didn’t want him to. I think Bae is a lot like Milah in enjoying stuff like that so I could see him latching on to the pirate lifestyle for a bit, and he certainly keeps his thieving skills later in life, whether he remains friendly with Hook or not.
Moderator’s Edit: Spoiler tag around something revealed in a promo for next week in a non-spoiler thread. Thanks–RG
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Ooo! Ooo! What if….Rumple DID go to Neverland but he wasn’t actually LOOKING for Bae? He may have needed something from there (like say, squid ink? Which apparently only Rumple & mermaids! can get?) and maybe that is when Bae changed his name, hid from his father, and possibly got the help of Captain Hook!
😯 😮 ❗ What a staggering thought for Rumple potentially to have been in NL! Maybe his father’s very presence in NL is what eventually caused Bae to flee to our world. We know he’s been on the run from his father in a strange land for a long time! 😮
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Ooo! Ooo! What if….Rumple DID go to Neverland but he wasn’t actually LOOKING for Bae? He may have needed something from there (like say, squid ink? Which apparently only Rumple & mermaids! can get?) and maybe that is when Bae changed his name, hid from his father, and possibly got the help of Captain Hook!
😯 😮 ❗ What a staggering thought for Rumple potentially to have been in NL! Maybe his father’s very presence in NL is what eventually caused Bae to flee to our world. We know he’s been on the run from his father in a strange land for a long time! 😮
😮 😯 😮 😯
Yes, if Rumple suddenly found a way to NL and Bae learned of it, that alone would cause him to run run run run.
So when would Rumple have come to NL?
We know Bae came to our world around 1991, a few years after the Curse. Why the delay if Rumple had come to NL before the Curse?"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Ooo! Ooo! What if….Rumple DID go to Neverland but he wasn’t actually LOOKING for Bae? He may have needed something from there (like say, squid ink? Which apparently only Rumple & mermaids! can get?) and maybe that is when Bae changed his name, hid from his father, and possibly got the help of Captain Hook!
😯 😮 ❗ What a staggering thought for Rumple potentially to have been in NL! Maybe his father’s very presence in NL is what eventually caused Bae to flee to our world. We know he’s been on the run from his father in a strange land for a long time! 😮
😮 😯 😮 😯
Yes, if Rumple suddenly found a way to NL and Bae learned of it, that alone would cause him to run run run run.
So when would Rumple have come to NL?Rumple may have come to Neverland without even realizing Bae was there. If he came to NL at all, I think Rumple would have been in search of squid ink, as MysteryKat25 theorized. He would have needed that ink for the distinct purpose of using it to write Emma’s name on a pice of parchment from within his jail cell, which was just after Cinderella entrapped the Dark One and before Regina unleashed the dark curse. So, Rumple’s plans to carry out the dark curse probably would have been in place already as he traveled to Mermaid Lagoon in search of this rare squid ink, which he then planned to plant in his cell, in case the Savior should end up there one day. 😮 Head-desk
We know Bae came to our world around 1991, a few years after the Curse. Why the delay if Rumple had come to NL before the Curse?
Good point. Maybe Bae felt morally obligated to free the lost boys first, hence the delay. But Bae then decided to leave for good for fear of his father’s return to NL. Yet, Bae probably didn’t know about his father’s curse bringing the EF to SB. Bae certainly didn’t know about Emma’s role as the savior, or the curse, because August had to tell Bae about those details. Also, Bae said he wouldn’t have gone near Emma if he’d known about her connection to the EF or his father.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Rumple may have come to Neverland without even realizing Bae was there. If he came to NL at all, I think Rumple would have been in search of squid ink, as MysteryKat25 theorized. He would have needed that ink for the distinct purpose of using it to write Emma’s name on a pice of parchment from within his jail cell, which was just after Cinderella entrapped the Dark One and before Regina unleashed the dark curse. So, Rumple’s plans to carry out the dark curse probably would have been in place already as he traveled to Mermaid Lagoon in search of this rare squid ink, which he then planned to plant in his cell, in case the Savior should end up there one day. 😮 Head-desk
Yes, if he went to NL I think it would need to be as close to the Curse as possible. So, right after Cinderella’s wedding perhaps. He tells Cinderella he wants her baby, goes to NL to get the squid ink, comes back, Ella double crosses him (as he wanted her to do) and he is placed in the cell to wait for the Curse.
Meanwhile in NL, Bae has realized that Rumple is now capable of coming to NL. But Bae doesn’t know anything about the Curse. So he plans to leave NL to come back to our world. But if he moves in time, then maybe he left NL BEFORE the Curse in the EF but landed in our world AFTER the Curse. (that interview with H and K aside, we know portals travel in time and space. What they said recently makes no sense given what they’ve shown)"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
Rumple may have come to Neverland without even realizing Bae was there. If he came to NL at all, I think Rumple would have been in search of squid ink, as MysteryKat25 theorized. He would have needed that ink for the distinct purpose of using it to write Emma’s name on a pice of parchment from within his jail cell, which was just after Cinderella entrapped the Dark One and before Regina unleashed the dark curse. So, Rumple’s plans to carry out the dark curse probably would have been in place already as he traveled to Mermaid Lagoon in search of this rare squid ink, which he then planned to plant in his cell, in case the Savior should end up there one day. 😮 Head-desk
Yes, if he went to NL I think it would need to be as close to the Curse as possible. So, right after Cinderella’s wedding perhaps. He tells Cinderella he wants her baby, goes to NL to get the squid ink, comes back, Ella double crosses him (as he wanted her to do) and he is placed in the cell to wait for the Curse.
Meanwhile in NL, Bae has realized that Rumple is now capable of coming to NL. But Bae doesn’t know anything about the Curse. So he plans to leave NL to come back to our world. But if he moves in time, then maybe he left NL BEFORE the Curse in the EF but landed in our world AFTER the Curse. (that interview with H and K aside, we know portals travel in time and space. What they said recently makes no sense given what they’ve shown)Granted, bean portals allow one to travel through time and space. That’s a fact which was established by Rumple in 1×19. But from what we know of NL, time works differently there. In 2×21, Wendy returns after just one night in London time, but claims it seemed a much longer duration to her while she was in NL. Basically, there is no time in NL, so maybe Bae lost track of time, but the only thing that kept him going was his goal to conquer the Shadow, free the Lost Boys, and fly like heck back to Earth.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
So glad I finally hit on a theory that people like! I was just rambling on about stuff and then it hit me that it would totally make sense!
As for the timeline of it all, we know that Rumple knows a thing or two about mermaids since he mentioned them with regards to the squid ink so surely he encountered some when he went to get that.
Regina also knows his power with mermaids because she went to him in Skin Deep for the sole purpose of asking for his help with a certain mermaid problem she was having.
Since mermaids are in Mermaids Lagoon in Neverland, it is a logical magical realm for him to have gone to in order to get some to probably write the curse with, as well as put on the parchment in his cell further down the line.
We know it took him a long time to get everything into motion and it certainly took ages to find the right person and train them so they could enact the curse so he could have gotten the squid ink at any point along the way.
What do you want to bet that if Rumple DID go to Neverland at some point that he involved Jefferson somehow? It would be a great fill in the gaps someday episode when SS has a little bit of time. We’ve already SEEN Rumple employ Jefferson to try to get different things for him from other realms, why not take him to Neverland? Does Neverland have a door or is it strictly by bean portal? In which case how did Rumple get to Neverland cause it obviously wasn’t by bean or he would have just gone after Bae – plus the beans are all gone. Hmm….tiny issue. Any ideas?
I really like the idea that that’s what causes Bae to flee from Neverland! I’m thinking he’ll do something to free the Lost Boys who want out, spend at least some time as a pirate, and if he IS close to Hook at this point at least (he’s still 14 remember, he could easily idolize Hook at 14 and then grow up and not like him much if that’s the case – we still don’t really know), he would probably explain that he is leaving and here’s why which would explain why Hook made the comment about Rumple’s son not wanting to be found!
EUREKA! I think we’re all onto something BIG and can I just say that I love that it builds on the mermaid mythology since it’s being hinted at more and more and we’re getting Neverland stuff?! 😀
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
What do you want to bet that if Rumple DID go to Neverland at some point that he involved Jefferson somehow? It would be a great fill in the gaps someday episode when SS has a little bit of time. We’ve already SEEN Rumple employ Jefferson to try to get different things for him from other realms, why not take him to Neverland? Does Neverland have a door or is it strictly by bean portal? In which case how did Rumple get to Neverland cause it obviously wasn’t by bean or he would have just gone after Bae – plus the beans are all gone. Hmm….tiny issue. Any ideas?
Really excellent questions. I would like it if NL had a door because I really want the hat Emma made in Hat Trick to come back into play somehow and this could be a way. (I fear that we will never see that door room or hat ever again..). Obviously the shadow didn’t need a bean to take Bae to NL, he just flew. So there must be several ways of getting to NL.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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