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Not sure if Neverland only wants boys. The shadow took Wendy in the first place after all. The only explanation for that if they were really targeting boys, is if it was planned ahead of time that Wendy would want to go back and this would lead to Bae’s sacrifice.
The shadow wanting a boy is key in some way however.
[adrotate group="5"]I do think the fact that the shadow only wants boys has to be a hint toward something. I have no idea what, but it’s gotta be something.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Lord of the Flies cross over?
Just kidding, that would be terrible.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
From last night:
So the answer is important and hopefully we get it on Sunday.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@Shack1212 wrote:
Not sure if Neverland only wants boys. The shadow took Wendy in the first place after all. The only explanation for that if they were really targeting boys, is if it was planned ahead of time that Wendy would want to go back and this would lead to Bae’s sacrifice.
The shadow wanting a boy is key in some way however.
I agree – it had no problem taking Wendy the first time and she was gone for at least long enough for Bae to worry he’d never see her again. I wonder what actually happened while she was there.
Typically the Lost Boys WANT Wendy to stay with them, so it’s weird that they wanted a boy and I think it may have been a setup to get Bae somehow. If the shadow pan got information out of Wendy and/or observed that Bae was the one that didn’t want her to go with it etc etc maybe it knew that Bae would be the one to go and not John or Michael so they swapped Wendy for him.
It’s all a very strange twist and I’m curious to see how it plays out.
Right now I want to believe Wendy but who knows, maybe she did what she did to protect her brothers and wasn’t as genuine with Bae / was manipulating him into sacrificing himself. I don’t WANT to believe that, but given the poor kid’s track record with anybody he cares about….
Hard to trust any character at just their word on this show, even if you want to believe what they’re saying. Harder still when they’re new, but I would like to think that Wendy is sincere. If she did play him it was to save her brothers but I still wouldn’t be too happy.
I’m still bothered by the fact it didn’t want to keep her though. Traditionally the Lost Boys want a mother, someone to sing for them and tell them stories and sew their clothes. They’re happy to have a female presence and look up to her. Seems odd if they’re all crying for their mothers that the shadow pan doesn’t try to appease them by keeping a girl there to take care of them.
I’m more and more convinced that the shadow is trying to force its hand-selected “friends” to not abandon him, which leads back to the might be a darker part of Bae theory since he has major abandonment issues (though I don’t see him leaving Wendy so easily except for a good cause – although if it was shadow Bae and it wanted its body back or something weird like that then maybe I guess, but I would think it would just try to convince Bae to come along and save/join Wendy, not leave her so who knows.)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Wendy was only there one night I thought, but she says it seemed longer to her. Bae slept by the window and she came back in the morning.
I don’t think Wendy was deceitful–she did break a promise of course, not to go with the Shadow in the first place, but I think when it brought her back, she was truthful about what happened. So that still leaves us with why it didn’t want to keep her there.
This makes me rethink the “Rumpel had something to do with the Shadow to search for Bae” theory or the “Shadow is looking for its owner” theory. In PP, Peter goes searching for his shadow so if they are flipping it around, it could make sense the shadow, whether or not Rumpel put it up to that, is looking for Bae.
That though leaves me with this question–why did Bae fall in the water? Did he force the shadow to let him go? Because if he was its target, for those 2 theories above, then something else might have happened like they merged or it took him to a portal . So I think there’s now something else going on there unless Bae escaped actively.“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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Wendy was only there one night I thought, but she says it seemed longer to her. Bae slept by the window and she came back in the morning.
I don’t think Wendy was deceitful–she did break a promise of course, not to go with the Shadow in the first place, but I think when it brought her back, she was truthful about what happened. So that still leaves us with why it didn’t want to keep her there.
This makes me rethink the “Rumpel had something to do with the Shadow to search for Bae” theory or the “Shadow is looking for its owner” theory. In PP, Peter goes searching for his shadow so if they are flipping it around, it could make sense the shadow, whether or not Rumpel put it up to that, is looking for Bae.
That though leaves me with this question–why did Bae fall in the water? Did he force the shadow to let him go? Because if he was its target, for those 2 theories above, then something else might have happened like they merged or it took him to a portal . So I think there’s now something else going on there unless Bae escaped actively.All good questions. If I’m remembering correctly he pulled a lighter or something out of his pocket which scared the shadow, forcing it to let go of him and he fell a very long way into the water where he was rescued by Hook and Smee. So he was actively trying to get away from it.
I like the idea of the reverse Peter Pan – where the shadow is trying to get its owner back instead of the owner trying to get Wendy to sew it back on to him.
It’s still a weird twist in that the shadow didn’t want Wendy, especially if it is in fact Bae’s shadow that has been searching for him for awhile and apparently been visiting Wendy overtime because she knew what it was. Hmm, more things to ponder I guess. I like the idea though!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@KFChimera wrote:
That though leaves me with this question–why did Bae fall in the water? Did he force the shadow to let him go? Because if he was its target, for those 2 theories above, then something else might have happened like they merged or it took him to a portal . So I think there’s now something else going on there unless Bae escaped actively.
Bae didn’t want to actually set foot on Neverland, because Wendy had told him that whoever does cannot leave again. Bae had a box of matches in his bathrobe. He struck a match, and the light repelled the shadow and dropped Bae, who fell into the sea. Hook and his crew then rescued Bae and welcomed him aboard the Jolly Roger.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Oh that’s right, it was matches – I knew it was something with fire. Good point slurpeez about the not setting foot on land thing.
Which reminds me of the Davey Jones in POTC 2 & 3 – not being able to set foot on land but once every 10 years. Wonder if they’ll connect anything to that since Hook is named Killian Jones.
Either way the point about not setting foot there is definitely credible. I wonder how we’re going to explore Neverland though if he has to stay on Hook’s ship or in the water…some of it will likely have to wait til next year and even then not sure how if he can’t land anywhere.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Did anyone catch the fact that Bae couldn’t land the ship like Hook did in SB they (Emma, Henry, Gold and Bae) all took a row boat. Bae carried Henry over his shoulder like a bag of grain when he returned Henry to Emma after the park so he worked on a ship. The episode sheet stated that Hook saved Bae from the lost boys.
What did Cora say about the wrath goes to another realm what if PP is that the wrath. What if Wendy was lying about what happens when you land on the island ❓
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