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Interesting ideas RG & HappyEndings! And I agree RG, that would make more sense right now and save a lot of time.
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@HappyEndings wrote:
I think Bae does that tailsman (Wrath) mark to himself in order to get to NL and by doing that the exchanges his soul for the Prince. ❓
OH. That’s interesting. His soul gets to NL but his body remains in EF. Hmmmmmmmmmm. And if the shadow is Bae's “spirit” “shadow” “something else” it's a parallel. I do love me some parallels.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
I think Bae does that tailsman (Wrath) mark to himself in order to get to NL and by doing that the exchanges his soul for the Prince. ❓
OH. That’s interesting. His soul gets to NL but his body remains in EF. Hmmmmmmmmmm. And if the shadow is Bae's “spirit” “shadow” “something else” it's a parallel. I do love me some parallels.
Ooo I like that!!! It would also give the good guys hope if his shadow form is somehow able to connect with any of them (think of how much trouble poor Phillip had getting people to stop trying to kill him – though perhaps Hook would be familiar with what it is and be able to offer some assistance and/or the shadow would get through to either Rumple, Emma, or Henry (if they find him though that could be a cliffhanger…) though Emma may be pretty broken down by this point and have more trouble than usual believing anything good though she could use some hope and it would be a way of letting her/them know he's still out there somewhere. She wasn't really privvy to a lot of the MAP stuff regarding finding Phillip and saving him or what Cora said so they may have to rely on Hook and Rumple's knowledge here – Rumple may know something since he knows how to sic a wraith onto people but not sure he's ever really cared too much about fixing it after the fact.
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@MysteryKat25 wrote:
@Shack1212 wrote:
Not sure if Neverland only wants boys. The shadow took Wendy in the first place after all. The only explanation for that if they were really targeting boys, is if it was planned ahead of time that Wendy would want to go back and this would lead to Bae’s sacrifice.
The shadow wanting a boy is key in some way however.
I agree – it had no problem taking Wendy the first time and she was gone for at least long enough for Bae to worry he’d never see her again. I wonder what actually happened while she was there.
Typically the Lost Boys WANT Wendy to stay with them, so it’s weird that they wanted a boy and I think it may have been a setup to get Bae somehow. If the shadow pan got information out of Wendy and/or observed that Bae was the one that didn’t want her to go with it etc etc maybe it knew that Bae would be the one to go and not John or Michael so they swapped Wendy for him.
It’s all a very strange twist and I’m curious to see how it plays out.
Right now I want to believe Wendy but who knows, maybe she did what she did to protect her brothers and wasn’t as genuine with Bae / was manipulating him into sacrificing himself. I don’t WANT to believe that, but given the poor kid’s track record with anybody he cares about….
Hard to trust any character at just their word on this show, even if you want to believe what they’re saying. Harder still when they’re new, but I would like to think that Wendy is sincere. If she did play him it was to save her brothers but I still wouldn’t be too happy.
I’m still bothered by the fact it didn’t want to keep her though. Traditionally the Lost Boys want a mother, someone to sing for them and tell them stories and sew their clothes. They’re happy to have a female presence and look up to her. Seems odd if they’re all crying for their mothers that the shadow pan doesn’t try to appease them by keeping a girl there to take care of them.
I’m more and more convinced that the shadow is trying to force its hand-selected “friends” to not abandon him, which leads back to the might be a darker part of Bae theory since he has major abandonment issues (though I don’t see him leaving Wendy so easily except for a good cause – although if it was shadow Bae and it wanted its body back or something weird like that then maybe I guess, but I would think it would just try to convince Bae to come along and save/join Wendy, not leave her so who knows.)
Nice post and thoughts Mysterykat
I really really like the idea of Wendy manipulating Bae into sacrificing himself and going to Neverland. Aside from the shiftiness about the wanting a boy plot and the shadow just letting her go, other clues
– Wendy left as a girl obsessed with magic and hated parents and adults. Does that fit the profile who wants to go back to Earth? Or one who loves and embraces Neverland, to the point of becoming the accomplice of whoever’s in charge of Neverland (wouldn’t be the shadow if Wendy is BSing), or if forced to choose between leaving Neverland or sacrificing Bae, picking the latter? Almost everyone who becomes magical in Once, becomes caught up in its power and head down a path of wrong decisions to keep it. That being Wendy’s story, fits the show’s profile more than willingly walking away from magic.
– Wendy is about to sacrifice one of her brothers for her mistake? Dick move, no? When I saw the episode I thought this was Wendy’s cowardice and selfishness, similar to Rumplestiltskin letting go of Bae or Bae freaking out and backing out of his Neverland sacrifice and put the Darlings in danger, as soon as he saw/heard it. This may be true, but it also makes sense if her plan the whole time was to trap Baelfire
Of course, it’s also possible the Wendy Bae saw when she came back to Earth, was a shape shifting imposter, though this pre-dates Cora by a few centuries if I’m not mistaken.
I could be overthinking it, but I think it’d be really cool if Wendy was something resembling a big bad of S3 if they are indeed in Neverland. I think adult Wendy will be a part of the present day storyline one way or another, the question is whether they’ll have her hit up Neverland in search of Bae/a brother the shadow took, or whether when she came back to Earth she intended to return to Neverland
I’m kinda hoping I’m wrong about Wendy just because I want to like her but the entire story could be turned upside and with Bae’s track record….
She does seem to like him but at the same time if it’s him or her brothers maybe she would betray him, not sure.
She did try to stop him from doing it though so she’s either very good at manipulation or is an innocent victim in which case why was she rejected from Neverland? The shadow didn’t mind taking her with him/it so what exactly happened? (I don’t trust what anybody says til we see how things happened so I’m not sure WHAT to believe about her experience there – it is odd that we knew she went and came back but neither John nor Michael ever went, though I suppose if they’re changing it up to be this dark place maybe we’re just lucky to have seen them).
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@Belle wrote:
This is kind of a crazy theory, but when I heard that the shadow was only looking for boys, I thought what if Rumple had this whole island orchastrated to find Bae.
It reminded me of when King Herod ordered all the babies two years and under to be killed because Jesus was the prophesided king. Except for Rumple is looking for his son so he is ordering the shadow to collect all the boys in our land around the age of 14.
Rumple wouldn’t have found Bae because he was with Hook. If Hook found out that Bae was Rumple’s son, he wouldn’t have let Rumple find him.
Just a crazy idea!
Slurpeez mentioned this theory on another thread and I have to agree with her. I love this theory!
While K&H have said that both Bae and the shadow showed up at Wendy’s at exactly the same time they did not say that it followed Bae through the vortex at the same time. Only that magic followed him through. That could have been 6 months later.
Maybe Bae finally telling Wendy his name was Bae, out loud, triggered the shadow to seek him out in that home. It’s a good parallel to the real Rumpelstiltskin tale, where they find out his name when he sings it out loud around a fire.
Gosh, Rumple as the real, behind the scenes, leader of the Lost Boys. What fun! 😆
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@TheGoldenKey wrote:
@Belle wrote:
This is kind of a crazy theory, but when I heard that the shadow was only looking for boys, I thought what if Rumple had this whole island orchastrated to find Bae.
It reminded me of when King Herod ordered all the babies two years and under to be killed because Jesus was the prophesided king. Except for Rumple is looking for his son so he is ordering the shadow to collect all the boys in our land around the age of 14.
Rumple wouldn’t have found Bae because he was with Hook. If Hook found out that Bae was Rumple’s son, he wouldn’t have let Rumple find him.
Just a crazy idea!
Slurpeez mentioned this theory on another thread and I have to agree with her. I love this theory!
While K&H have said that both Bae and the shadow showed up at Wendy’s at exactly the same time they did not say that it followed Bae through the vortex at the same time. Only that magic followed him through. That could have been 6 months later.
Maybe Bae finally telling Wendy his name was Bae, out loud, triggered the shadow to seek him out in that home. It’s a good parallel to the real Rumpelstiltskin tale, where they find out his name when he sings it out loud around a fire.
Gosh, Rumple as the real, behind the scenes, leader of the Lost Boys. What fun! 😆
Oh wow I hadn’t thought of that! The name thing could very well have been a trigger of some sort. I doubt he told anybody that before while he was roaming around stealing food to eat.
If the magic followed him though we still need the apparently short history of the shadow and how it got separated and went to NL instead of following Bae immediately (it can still travel between the two places so it’s not just a case of our world not having magic, though I suppose maybe, until the name triggered it, that magic wasn’t in our world and then the shadow somehow was able to travel back and forth between a world like ours and Neverland but again – we need shadow history to fully explain this because if it did come from Rumple / the vortex / etc. then why didn’t it go straight to Bae and why was it terrorizing the Lost Boys in a different realm?)
*head is spinning but I like the brainstorming along these lines! Nice idea!*
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I like the name idea as well! Wendy even makes what I thought was just a little glib remark about how unusual his name is, but maybe it was the trigger. Parallel to the trigger in SB, trigger there.. trigger here.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Maybe Bae finally telling Wendy his name was Bae, out loud, triggered the shadow to seek him out in that home. It’s a good parallel to the real Rumpelstiltskin tale, where they find out his name when he sings it out loud around a fire.
That’s an awesome thought. Names are important to the Rumpelstitskin story.
You know what this reminds to me of also:
In the last Harry Potter book, Voldermort puts a curse on his name so that when anyone speaks it aloud, he would know exactly where they were.Rumple could have put the same sort of spell on Bae’s name. If Bae said his name, the shadow would be able to find him. It wouldn’t have worked when Bae grew up because he went by Neal.
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