ThiefQueen or QueenFire

[WickedRegal]

My fellow Oncer, it appears a new shipping has set sail toward Storybrooke, one I actually thought of. I don’t know if it’s called ThiefQueen or QueenFire, you decide, but I think it’s very interesting.

Now before majority of you Dearie fans, and Charmings, and Swanfires, or SwanQueens go off, I actually believe it’s pretty nice, I mean there’s like a 20% chance it’ll ever happen, but I don’t think I would object. Neal would understand Regina due to the evil parents thing, and despite what majority of you all think, ye they do share a son, Henry may biologically Neal and Emma’s but he will always be Regina’s, because let’s all face the truth, Regina was a good mother, not by what we think due to possesivness, and control but she performed the role of a mother (nurturing, clothing, bathing, feeding, nursing, and teaching) when Emma couldn’t. So Neal and Regina do share Henry as a child, Henry just has three parents.

What title do you like best ThiefQueen or QueenFire?
P.S. Check out the copy that’s in Fan Creations department that holds a video of this couple from youtube, and a couple of stellar fanfics for them also.
Now you may go off if you like, and explain why you hate it or love, but I got a feeling of the majority.

[PriceofMagic]

What about EvilThief or FireQueen as ship names?

Neal and Regina hooking up would definitely solve a lot of problems for Regina in regards to her getting access to Henry. However, the likelihood of this ship happening is pretty slim right now. Regina has too much history and too much rivalry with the likes of Snow and Rumple. Regina’s many attempts at killing Snow aren’t going to put her in line for most mentally stable girlfriend of the year. Not to mention that she was willing to put a curse on Henry just because she wanted him to love her.

If first impressions are important, then Regina hasn’t flattered herself to Neal. He first met her when she was trying to kill his dad with her mother then she was trying to curse his son. Once Neal finds out about her past, he’d be mad to want anything to do with her.

Regina would have to make a real positive change if this ship was to ever happen. She can’t slip back into her evil ways the moment something isn’t going the way she wants.

Saying that, Neal’s choice of women isn’t exactly stellar (Tamara) so perhaps Regina may stand a chance with Neal if she plays it right.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[kfchimera]

FireQueen has a ring to it, but I agree with everything PriceofMagic said. If the writers go this way, they will have a lot of work to do to make it seem natural.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[laurieanne]

I like FireQueen as well, and it is an intriguing possibility. I’m still firmly in the SwanFire camp but I would love to see Regina try to have a “normal” relationship and all the struggles that would take place. Just not sure Neal is the guy.

[vampirefan12]

I’m kinda hoping that this pairing would happen on the show, but with the spoiler circulating around Neal right now, I don’t think it would happen through. I read something a few months ago about Regina knowing Neal, so they could have a history with each other. There is still that sign in Neal’s apartment called “Cleaners and Hatters” so there could be a chance that Regina met Neal in Wonderland. I’m still apart of that theory that August, Jefferson, and Hook knew about Neal’s past about being Baelfire, and protecting him from his father. Also there could be a slight possibility with Regina that she knew who Neal is and protected him also from Rumpelstiltskin. Personally, I would love to see a storyline between Regina and Neal and them becoming friends in the Enchanted Forest and reuniting in Storybrooke ( without giving it away to his dad ).

I like QueenFire.

[surayya]

Oh yes I like FireQueen too, very catchy 🙂

I’d like to see them happen… as end game tho, there is too much backwash to be cleared before it can happen. It would be nice if they did strike up a friendship, if Regina had had someone like Neal to support her when she was trying to be ‘good’, she may not have slid off the wagon go far & be bouncing along behind it now.
Another thing I noticed in ep 18, was Emma, seemed to enjoy the feel of using her magic…a lot- could be pointing at her heading towards developing that, which Neal will Not be comfortable with. If Regina tries to stop using magic & be ‘good’ again, that will appeal to him- not enough to want a romantic relationship with to start with, but its a step towards become friends & so in that direction.

[MysteryKat25]

This ship has so many names I had a hard time trying to remember where this thread was! (As to which name will end up being used I have no idea, so many good choices!) I’ve seen a lot of EvilFire stuff lately but I kinda like FireQueen…I think…*shakes head at so many options*

I liked the *idea* of them before (and we really haven’t gotten much interaction to work with them yet still) but I had a couple of thoughts as to why this could be really good! It came from realizing that I’ve shipped Neal 3 times already (Morraine, Wendy, and now Regina) and why this one might stick so here goes:

* Bae is the reason for the curse, Regina is the way Rumple went about getting Bae back
* Bae hates magic & Regina has an issue with magic but is trying to quit for Henry so Neal would be a good inflluence
* Magic has ruined both of their lives
* Neal can be very sweet and reminded me of Daniel when he was first introduced and we know how much she loved Daniel
* Neal & Regina both love Henry
* Regina raised the child that Neal didn’t know he had
* Neal says he has nightmares a lot & clings to dreamcatcers, Regina suffers from nightmares and has a dreamcatcher necklace
* It would help tie up the extended family into one giant but (beautifully dysfunctional) bow
* Neal has hardly any actual knowledge of her as the Evil Queen – he may have heard things and he did see her helping Cora in the pawn shop and with Henry at the well but he doesn’t have nearly *as much* to forget as anybody else would in town so he may actually be able to look past it all and *see her as Regina* which is what she wants
* If Regina is to be redeemed and find love it would make sense it would be someone important and Neal is important to the fabric of the story, especially in his relationships with family members
* They’d both put Henry first
* They’d be a good balance
* It would parallel RumBelle in one being a villain and the other seeing the good in them, helping them to change back to the people they used to be

With how many people wanted Regina to be Rumple’s daughter, I’m surprised more people aren’t shipping this! Can you imagine not only having the Charmings as in-laws but having Regina in there too? *would love to see Rumple’s reaction to that!*

It would also cut down on the number of parents Henry has because *IF* SF doesn’t happen, because presumably Emma, Neal, and Regina would all find loves by the end and then Henry would have 3 sets of parents. If Neal/Regina (whatever we end up calling them) happen then he would have 2 and have all of them there together fairly tight-knit (still hung up on the hilariousness of the Rumple situation though!)

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[smallwhitebutterfly]

@Surayya wrote:

Oh yes I like FireQueen too, very catchy 🙂

Another thing I noticed in ep 18, was Emma, seemed to enjoy the feel of using her magic…a lot- could be pointing at her heading towards developing that, which Neal will Not be comfortable with. If Regina tries to stop using magic & be ‘good’ again, that will appeal to him- not enough to want a romantic relationship with to start with, but its a step towards become friends & so in that direction.

I too like FireQueen

^This is why I worry about the future of SF. Neal is quite anti-magic, (and rightly so given his past,) so Emma exploring her magic, (which is part of who she is so she has every right to,) would be an issue. I’m not against SF but if it happens I would want this issue to be properly addressed rather than ‘it’s ok because it’s Emma using “good magic”‘.

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

I liked the *idea* of them before (and we really haven’t gotten much interaction to work with them yet still) but I had a couple of thoughts as to why this could be really good! It came from realizing that I’ve shipped Neal 3 times already (Morraine, Wendy, and now Regina) and why this one might stick so here goes:

* Bae is the reason for the curse, Regina is the way Rumple went about getting Bae back
* Bae hates magic & Regina has an issue with magic but is trying to quit for Henry so Neal would be a good inflluence
* Magic has ruined both of their lives
* Neal can be very sweet and reminded me of Daniel when he was first introduced and we know how much she loved Daniel
* Neal & Regina both love Henry
* Regina raised the child that Neal didn’t know he had
* Neal says he has nightmares a lot & clings to dreamcatcers, Regina suffers from nightmares and has a dreamcatcher necklace
* It would help tie up the extended family into one giant but (beautifully dysfunctional) bow
* Neal has hardly any actual knowledge of her as the Evil Queen – he may have heard things and he did see her helping Cora in the pawn shop and with Henry at the well but he doesn’t have nearly *as much* to forget as anybody else would in town so he may actually be able to look past it all and *see her as Regina* which is what she wants
* If Regina is to be redeemed and find love it would make sense it would be someone important and Neal is important to the fabric of the story, especially in his relationships with family members
* They’d both put Henry first
* They’d be a good balance
* It would parallel RumBelle in one being a villain and the other seeing the good in them, helping them to change back to the people they used to be

With how many people wanted Regina to be Rumple’s daughter, I’m surprised more people aren’t shipping this! Can you imagine not only having the Charmings as in-laws but having Regina in there too? *would love to see Rumple’s reaction to that!*

It would also cut down on the number of parents Henry has because *IF* SF doesn’t happen, because presumably Emma, Neal, and Regina would all find loves by the end and then Henry would have 3 sets of parents. If Neal/Regina (whatever we end up calling them) happen then he would have 2 and have all of them there together fairly tight-knit (still hung up on the hilariousness of the Rumple situation though!)

I’ve seen other Regina-ships (Hook/Regina, SwanQueen, Archie/Regina) but tbh, this is (in my opinion) the best one, for all the reasons you mentioned. Rumple is responsible for bringing Dark magic into Regina’s life in order to find Neal, so it would be nice if Neal is the one to undo the damage.
And because of their similar childhoods, they could definitely have a connection (maybe romantic, maybe not):
– Their parents both chose magic over them
– Their parents tried to control their future (Neal was fine to fight, Regina was fine to marry a Stable boy)
– They both wanted a fresh start in a land without magic
– Both were afraid of the parents
– Their other parents failed to step-up. Milah ran away with Pirates, and Regina’s father didn’t seem to do anything (her journey to becoming the ‘evil’ queen was not overnight, he could have stepped in any time).
– They grew up with parents that didn’t love each other (Cora had no heart, Milah didn’t love post-war Rumple)

It is hard to predict because we haven’t seen them interact but I don’t see Neal judging Regina too harshly if he knows how much influence his father has had on Regina getting to this point, (I can see him perhaps feeling a little guilty that it was all so Rumple could find him). So, FireQueen is definitely something that the writers could make work, but whether they choose to, I’m not sure.

Keeper of Sidney's Agrabah Vipers, Regina's Curse of the Empty Hearted, Mulan's Poppy Dust, Wonderland's Mellow Marsh, and Nealfire's Lighter

[MysteryKat25]

SmallWhiteButterfly – I agree with everything you said! The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that it’s at least been set up in a way that it would work if they choose to go there. I have similar concerns as you do about SF (the magic is a part of her and he hates magic thing) which is one of the many reasons why I’m hardcore CSer, but that’s neither here nor there. I’m not one to ship ___ because I want one gone from my ship. I genuinely think that they’ve set something up here that *could* play out very nicely and I want all the characters to be happy and find true love. I don’t hate Neal just because I want CS. I have issues with that relationship, not the man himself. I think Neal & Regina have a lot to offer each other!

We haven’t gotten much interaction to work with yet, just that she’s not too thrilled he’s related to Rumple (making her son related to him as well). I would definitely like to see it happen based on the reasons we’ve laid out though and agree that they will probably at least come to some understanding (and they kinda have to) for Henry’s sake so it would be nice if they were at least good friends.

Early sightings of Neal definitely reminded me of Daniel. The fact that in episode 2×05 Daniel is telling Regina to find love again and then 2×06 we finally get a glimpse of who Neal is seems like either a strange coincidence or helping set up a very long string of events that have basically been building from the beginning since as you said, everything Rumple did to Regina was for Bae.

Hope that they’ve kept any actual meeting of these two away so far because it’ll be significant and has to happen a certain way to show us the potential like they’ve set up with everybody else. So far she’s heard about him, asked about him (in a Henry’s father kind of way) and he’s just been the guy who’s been hanging out with the Charmings until Rumple said it was his son and Regina freaked out. So they haven’t properly talked yet it seems – definitely overdue as co-parents at the very least. I really really like the idea of FireQueen and what was a fleeting thought is now becoming one of my favorite possibilities for two very broken characters!

I think FireQueen will be on my season 3 wishlist of things to look for. When somebody pointed out that dreamcatcher necklace of Regina’s from way back when I was floored since we know Neal suffers from nightmares and likes dreamcatchers too! (Aka: it’s not just a SF thing, she told him about dreamcatchers and it is one of their things, but I think it’s *more* significant that he and Regina both have nightmares and feel the need to keep such things around…just my 2 cents on that).

Fun side fact that is probably irrelevant: the season was basically showing how broken Regina was and trying to be good and failing and still being broken (I swear the writers made some reference about it too with her being broken) and the first glimpse we see of Neal is the very first shot of the premiere episode Broken. (I think it describes both characters to a T and they can very much help each other, whether it turns romantic or not – though I hope it does!)

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[smallwhitebutterfly]

^ You may well be right with Daniel saying “love again” just as Neal makes a proper appearance.

I forgot to say in my earlier post…the dreamcatcher thing is an amazing catch. I had no idea Regina has a dreamcatcher necklace.

The problem, like you said is the lack of interaction. If I hadn’t read the thread I would not have thought of the pairing (maybe the writers don’t want us guessing/shipping them yet – probably not but if it is and they did this on purpose I would be impressed).

Now that i’ve actually realised this is a possibility I will be more on the look out for hints when I re-watch the show during the hiatus.

Haaha yes, Cora wanted Regina broken, that is a very good point.

I think I have just talked myself into shipping FireQueen.

Keeper of Sidney's Agrabah Vipers, Regina's Curse of the Empty Hearted, Mulan's Poppy Dust, Wonderland's Mellow Marsh, and Nealfire's Lighter

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