TINY: Favorite and Least Favorite Moments

[wewerecursed]

This wasn’t my favorite episode, yet in had a couple of my favorite moments of the season!

Favorite:
Two words. Robert. Carlisle. Can that man be any more perfect? His range of emotions while stepping into the real world was amazing. Sure, he’s lived in our world for 28 years, but in a bubble. Electronics seem to be mostly restricted to the 80s, and he’s never experienced anything as horrifying as TSA. He’s used to being in control, he visited places like Frankenstein’s world without blinking an eye because he has powerful. Now he can’t use his magic, he feels weak, he isn’t feared by all. His fear was so real! Taking his anger out on the poor unsuspecting public bathroom was almost as intense as the scene where he beats Belle’s father with the Cane O’ Pain. I can’t wait for more of him being the fish out of water!

Emma seeming to be genuinely concerned about how Gold was taking things. Like the look on her face when he had to take off his shawl, and telling him “I won’t let that happen.” Also before he goes to the bathroom she asks, “Is something wrong?” in such a sweet way. Even though she doesn’t trust him, even though he threatened her family, suddenly he’s in need and she has to protect him. It’s like she just can’t help herself, she takes care of people. Love her.

The entire running conversation where Leroy asks Charming who the heck he is, LOL! It couldn’t have been better.

The way Ginny delivered the line, “She’s KIND of out of town…” 😆

Hook asking for David’s “lovely wife” to torture him, which makes Snow do this: 🙄

Silly Snowing Flirting. They’re just so freaking adorable. “You like the holster, huh?”

I know not many people do, but I love the Belle scenes, mostly just because Emilie is doing such an amazing job. I just read the theory that maybe Belle can’t read in her cursed state?! I didn’t think of it, but looking back the way she angrily tossed the book Ruby gave her away it could make sense. What better curse for her than to not be able to read? 😥 I’m actually pretty interested in what they’re doing with her and Greg. Okay so it makes my Rumbelle feels implode, but it makes for some dang good drama.

Least:
WHAT DAVID SAID AT THE END! Could he honestly be implying that he would be okay with going back WITHOUT Emma?! No. Just no. That seems entirely out of character. He loves his family. It doesn’t matter that she’s grown up and he doesn’t know her very well, she is his daughter, and did he not just that afternoon beg Gold to protect her and Henry? I hate it. I feel like it’s just forced drama between Charming and Snow. It’s dumb. The end.

[schmacky]

I think the scene at the end with David talking about Emma being able to take care of herself was a switch in the conversation.

Snow says how she can’t be separated from Emma again. Where is Emma right now? Separated from her. David recognizes this and switches gears in the conversation and asks if she’s worried.

It was a conversation that really didn’t flow very well. But, I don’t think David meant he would go back to FTL without Emma. That just doesn’t make sense for his character when it was HIM (and Emma) that flipped out when Snow made the suggestion of moving out.

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@LilaMae wrote:

@Arkham258 wrote:

Least Favorite

I was a bit irritated by Snow telling Regina that what Emma does with Henry is none of her business. Regina was his legal guardian for most of his young life. I’m continually amazed by how coldly Regina gets treated by people on this show. It would be hard to blame her if she went bad again, which this episode makes it seem like she possibly has. That was such a rude, and insensitive thing for Snow to say. It almost struck me as out of character.

I’m sorry, but I’m always astonished when people say things like this. I could write out a massive list of all the evil things Regina has done, but everyone knows it already.

Regina is an abuser (to put it mildly). In order to gain redemption, she needs to take responsibility for what she has done, and make lasting change. She needs to beg forgiveness from those she has wronged. She needs to earn their respect and their trust. That is a process that takes years. She doesn’t get to “change” for 2 weeks and then have everyone be her besties. She needs to make the effort, no one else does. If Regina goes bad (looks like she has), the only person responsible is her. Frankly, I think everyone has been much kinder to her than she deserves.

I’m sure if the people of Storybrooke thought that way we’d have seen Tiny killed at the end of the episode. People don’t change if you don’t give them a chance, and look how giving Tiny a chance after everything he did worked out for them. Regina has done a lot, but nothing good ever comes from hanging on to the past and there seems to be a theme on the show that Storybrooke is a place for new beginnings. And like I said, Regina has to be given a chance. If Regina feels the world is against her and will never forgive her, then she has no real reason to change. What’s the point? If they’re serious about giving her a chance they need to stop treating her like she’s still the evil queen. Otherwise, you just convince her that that is all she can ever be so she might as well just play the role that everybody expects her too. This is how Cora has tried to corrupt Regina again, to convince her that everyone will never accept or forgive her. Even Mr. Gold has tried to manipulate Regina into doing what he wants by telling her that there is no point in her changing because they’ll never accept her.

Until Belle came along, that was Rumpel’s way of looking at life. He became convinced that he couldn’t be anything other than an unlovable monster so he kept on playing that role. Regina has had years of being brainwashed by her mother, and to some extent Rumpel into believing that she HAD to be the evil queen. There’s a chance now for people to show her that she doesn’t have to be that person. Now I would certainly like to see Regina apologize or own up to the things she has done at some point, but she’s not ready for that yet, and she never will be if the people of Storybrooke keep bearing their claws at her.

I may be somewhat biased though. I love redemption story arcs. My favorite Buffy characters are Faith and Angel, and anyone familiar with that universe knows the great redemptive arcs they’ve been on. There’s also a great character on Fringe who has a redemption arc that lasts the whole series.

And Snow’s comment was unnecessary, it’s like she’s poking the bear, which struck me as not just mean, but dumb as well. I mean does she WANT to make Regina go bad again and vaporize the town, because comments like that certainly aren’t helping things. Everyone knows how Regina feels about Henry, regardless of what else she’s done. You can’t make a comment like the one Snow made and not expect Regina to be upset. It was a really dumb moment for Snow that made me shake my head in disbelief. In fact, I’m pretty sure when it was just David watching Henry, he had sense enough to keep Regina informed of whatever was going on with the kid and he seemed to have successfully maintained a peaceful relationship with Regina.

[elle]

In Anton’s defense, his actions pale in comparison to Regina’s actions. Also, we haven’t see anyone die because of him–he just seemed to be throwing things and missing badly. 🙂

Regina on the otherhand has killed easily. She has tortured. She has locked people up. The list of her crimes is much longer than Anton’s.

Regina has to be given a chance

Last I checked, Emma was open to giving Regina a chance. She invited the woman to dinner. She refused to believe that Regina murdered Archie until (sadly) she saw Pongo’s memories. Henry himself is trying with Regina–even after she abused him, he still is trying for her.

If Regina feels the world is against her and will never forgive her, then she has no real reason to change. What’s the point?

This is basically saying that if no one is willing to forgive Regina for what she has done, she shouldn’t try to change. Shouldn’t she try to change because it is the right thing? Isn’t she trying to become a better person for Henry?

This is how Cora has tried to corrupt Regina again, to convince her that everyone will never accept or forgive her. Even Mr. Gold has tried to manipulate Regina into doing what he wants by telling her that there is no point in her changing because they’ll never accept her.

Yes, Rumpelstiltskin and Cora have manipulated and Regina. But Regina had gotten rid of her mother, and Rumpelstiltskin never forced her to do anything. He never forced her to go back to a marriage that she knew she would hate. He never forced her to try to kill Snow White and keep The Huntsman prisoner. That was all Regina.

And Snow’s comment was unnecessary, it’s like she’s poking the bear, which struck me as not just mean, but dumb as well.

I do agree with that. Snow White’s comment was not smart. But on the otherhand, she wasn’t cruel or mean to Regina. Seeing as how this is the woman that tried to kill her numerous times, she was actually civil to her.

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@Elle wrote:

In Anton’s defense, his actions pale in comparison to Regina’s actions. Also, we haven’t see anyone die because of him–he just seemed to be throwing things and missing badly. 🙂

Regina on the otherhand has killed easily. She has tortured. She has locked people up. The list of her crimes is much longer than Anton’s.

Regina has to be given a chance

Last I checked, Emma was open to giving Regina a chance. She invited the woman to dinner. She refused to believe that Regina murdered Archie until (sadly) she saw Pongo’s memories. Henry himself is trying with Regina–even after she abused him, he still is trying for her.

If Regina feels the world is against her and will never forgive her, then she has no real reason to change. What’s the point?

This is basically saying that if no one is willing to forgive Regina for what she has done, she shouldn’t try to change. Shouldn’t she try to change because it is the right thing? Isn’t she trying to become a better person for Henry?

This is how Cora has tried to corrupt Regina again, to convince her that everyone will never accept or forgive her. Even Mr. Gold has tried to manipulate Regina into doing what he wants by telling her that there is no point in her changing because they’ll never accept her.

Yes, Rumpelstiltskin and Cora have manipulated and Regina. But Regina had gotten rid of her mother, and Rumpelstiltskin never forced her to do anything. He never forced her to go back to a marriage that she knew she would hate. He never forced her to try to kill Snow White and keep The Huntsman prisoner. That was all Regina.

And Snow’s comment was unnecessary, it’s like she’s poking the bear, which struck me as not just mean, but dumb as well.

I do agree with that. Snow White’s comment was not smart. But on the otherhand, she wasn’t cruel or mean to Regina. Seeing as how this is the woman that tried to kill her numerous times, she was actually civil to her.

Well my point with Anton was that he was clearly trying to kill people. He literally tried to squish Charming and would have succeeded if Snow didn’t intervene. I mean he was for all intents and purposes a murderer, even if he didn’t succeed at his attempt.

I don’t really like the use of the word abused with Regina. I don’t think she has ever abused him in any way. That word just conjures up things I think most people are uncomfortable with and I don’t think Regina has ever done any of those things to Henry. You’re probably referring to her making Henry think he was nuts, but Regina was trying to make EVERYONE believe that the Enchanted Forest never existed. Henry just happened to be getting too close to the truth.

I know Emma has given Regina a chance, but you indicated that people were being nicer to Regina than she deserves, which says to me that you don’t think people actually should give her a chance. Treating her like garbage is not how you give someone a chance.

I don’t hold Regina responsible for a lot of the stuff Rumpel has gotten her to do. He’s always been much older and wiser than her, and knew exactly how to manipulate the young woman that she was, and we’ve seen him do that with many other characters. His whole scheme with Frankenstein was one big manipulation. When you consider the damage Cora had already done in brainwashing Regina even before Rumpel came into the picture, it’s not surprising some of the bad decisions Regina has made.

I’m not so much excusing Regina’s actions, but pointing out that a lot of people would have gone down the path she did considering the circumstances and the corrupting influences of both Rumpel and Cora. If a kid has two parents who are criminals, what’s the likelihood that the kid won’t be? Rumpel and Cora have been like two evil parental figures in her life, and by the time Cora was out of the picture for Regina, she was already too far gone down her dark path that both Cora and Rumpel had set her on. I’ve seen Regina do terrible things, but it all goes back to Cora and Rumpel, who I’d argue are MORE responsible for much of what Regina has done in her life than she is. The two of them have spent a LOT of time and effort corrupting what was once a perfectly good and decent human being in Regina.

I do agree with you that Regina should want to change because it’s the right thing, but even still, if people convince her that she CAN’T change, then she’ll stop trying. That moment two or three weeks ago when Emma told Regina that they know what she is and what she’ll always be was a critical moment and I’m kind of hoping that those words don’t keep bouncing around Regina’s head. I think after learning that Regina was framed Emma realized what a big mistake she made saying those words to Regina. There was a line she said to Henry that indicated that when he told her they should find Regina and tell her they know she’s innocent.

I feel like your view of Regina may be a bit one sided, but I’m biased because she’s my favorite character. So I can’t say that either one or us is right or wrong. It may not matter anymore if Regina has gone dark again, given what we saw this episode. I’m not entirely convinced she’s evil again though. Nothing is at it seems when’s Kora’s around. Any time I see Regina now I wonder if I’m not really looking at Cora. Plus, I wonder if Regina isn’t playing Cora in some way. We’ll see

[an empty heart]

Pretty good episode. Not my favorite, but still pretty good. I didn’t really care for the flashbacks with Anton, but the scenes between James and Jack were facinating. However, it was Mr. Gold, Emma and Henry that held this episode together for me. I loved all their scenes together and I really like the dynamic developing between them. I loved how supportive and understanding Emma was towards Mr. Gold. I was also happy that Mr. Gold recanted his threat to the Charmings.

Snow and Charming were great too. I loved seeing them work together like a team again and actually have a few relationship problems. I hope they can resolve their differing opinions on where to live by the end of the season though. But I kind of side with Snow on this. Wherever Emma is, that’s where they should be.

The one thing that I had a problem with was the way everyone treated Belle. Why lie to her? They’re not hiding anything from her that she doesn’t already know. She’s already seen magic. TWICE. Once when Mr. Gold conjured the fireball, and then again when he heals her bullet wound. So, why the facade? It makes zero sense. Even though Mr. Gold went about trying to help Belle the wrong way, I can at least commend her on being honest with her.

[elle]

I don’t really like the use of the word abused with Regina. I don’t think she has ever abused him in any way. That word just conjures up things I think most people are uncomfortable with and I don’t think Regina has ever done any of those things to Henry. You’re probably referring to her making Henry think he was nuts, but Regina was trying to make EVERYONE believe that the Enchanted Forest never existed. Henry just happened to be getting too close to the truth.

She made him feel like he was crazy. She may never have hit him, but she hurt him emotionally. That is emotional abuse. And he himself one believed she did not love him–the Pilot episode. She also forced him to come with her with the threat that if he did not, she would kill others–We Are Both.

I know Emma has given Regina a chance, but you indicated that people were being nicer to Regina than she deserves, which says to me that you don’t think people actually should give her a chance. Treating her like garbage is not how you give someone a chance.

When did they treat her as garbage? They never cursed at her–they mostly just avoid her as much as possible. The only time they were rude was in The Cricket Game when Regina came to dinner, and that was understandable seeing as how they still cannot forget. And even then they mostly ignored her. They are never going to be friends with her or even like her. For the most, they keep their distance from her, and she seems to do the same.

I don’t hold Regina responsible for a lot of the stuff Rumpel has gotten her to do. He’s always been much older and wiser than her, and knew exactly how to manipulate the young woman that she was, and we’ve seen him do that with many other characters. His whole scheme with Frankenstein was one big manipulation. When you consider the damage Cora had already done in brainwashing Regina even before Rumpel came into the picture, it’s not surprising some of the bad decisions Regina has made.

She made a choice. She had gotten rid of her mother like she wanted. She did not want anything to do with magic before. She chose to learn. That is all on her. Rumpelstiltskin may have shown her the path, but he didn’t force her to walk it. She had a choice to refuse.

As sad as her circumstances are, she has to be held responsbile for her actions. And so far, she hasn’t really. She has never shown remorse and never once even tried to apolgoize.

I do agree with you that Regina should want to change because it’s the right thing, but even still, if people convince her that she CAN’T change, then she’ll stop trying.

Her whole reasoning with wanting to change was Henry, not because of anyone else. and no one has really brought her down. No one has confronted her except Grumpy in The Cricket Game and he was quickly stopped. Everyone else has just avoided her, and she them.

Believe it or not I don’t hate Regina–I used to like her much more in the beginnng. But after her treatment of The Huntsman and what she had done to Hansel and Gretal and how she never really shows remorse…well, I stopped liking her. I felt bad for her in Stable Boy for a bit.

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@Elle wrote:

She made him feel like he was crazy. She may never have hit him, but she hurt him emotionally. That is emotional abuse. And he himself one believed she did not love him–the Pilot episode. She also forced him to come with her with the threat that if he did not, she would kill others–We Are Both.

In addition to the gaslighting and her forcing Henry to come live with her, or she’d start killing people, there was also how scared he was of her killing Emma right after Graham is murdered. He knows that Regina was the murderer and had good cause to fear for Emma’s life to the point where he becomes very depressed and afraid to do anything to Regina for fear she might do something to Emma.

She made a choice. She had gotten rid of her mother like she wanted. She did not want anything to do with magic before. She chose to learn. That is all on her. Rumpelstiltskin may have shown her the path, but he didn’t force her to walk it. She had a choice to refuse.

Yes, I loved The Cricket Game because it showed that time and again, Regina has been given many choices to do the right thing by the people she’s wronged, but instead she almost always chooses to do evil against them.

As sad as her circumstances are, she has to be held responsbile for her actions. And so far, she hasn’t really. She has never shown remorse and never once even tried to apolgoize.

Yes, Rumple needs to work on this too eventually, but that was definitely one of the reasons I was had serious doubts about Regina turning over a whole new leaf story line because she was doing it just to get Henry back and not because it was just the right thing to do. I mean it’s fine to have a goal in mind to keep her on the right path, but at the same time, if she doesn’t take full responsibility for everything that she chose to do, she’ll never learn.

[Grimmsister]

Elle-

As sad as her circumstances are, she has to be held responsbile for her actions. And so far, she hasn’t really. She has never shown remorse and never once even tried to apolgoize.

Question for this statement is. Who is going to deside the correct amount of remorse and responsibility taking ? Isn’t that always based on the feelings of the involved parties. And who knows if they ever feel the same about it. In real life she would go to prison for a long time for killing her father and multible attempt to kill her daughter in law. But thats probably not going to be the case here and isn’t it funny that most of us think that it shouldn’t ? Ofcourse because we don’t want to loose her as our entertainment 😀

Arkham-

I know Emma has given Regina a chance, but you indicated that people were being nicer to Regina than she deserves, which says to me that you don’t think people actually should give her a chance. Treating her like garbage is not how you give someone a chance.

Elle-

When did they treat her as garbage? They never cursed at her–they mostly just avoid her as much as possible. The only time they were rude was in The Cricket Game when Regina came to dinner,

I don’t think they treat her like garbage, most of them, people like Snow and Emma mostly try to give her a fair chance. The problem is then circumstances get in the way. Most heartbreaking lately was
‘The presumed murder of the Cricket’ insident. When Emma said to Regina “We know who you are and who you will always be!”- meaning; You will always be the evil queen and there’s not a thing either we or more importantly you, can ever do to change it.
Regina believes that and that is what she has gone with her whole life. Because she believes, that is her “role” she will always be stuck in it. Until the day she, or somebody, shows her she CAN change.

I just want to give her a hug and tell her she’s not alone ! But right now in Storybrook, she is 🙁

[nonnie]

@Elle wrote:

In Anton’s defense, his actions pale in comparison to Regina’s actions. Also, we haven’t see anyone die because of him–he just seemed to be throwing things and missing badly. 🙂

Regina on the otherhand has killed easily. She has tortured. She has locked people up. The list of her crimes is much longer than Anton’s.

Regina has to be given a chance

Last I checked, Emma was open to giving Regina a chance. She invited the woman to dinner. She refused to believe that Regina murdered Archie until (sadly) she saw Pongo’s memories. Henry himself is trying with Regina–even after she abused him, he still is trying for her.

If Regina feels the world is against her and will never forgive her, then she has no real reason to change. What’s the point?

This is basically saying that if no one is willing to forgive Regina for what she has done, she shouldn’t try to change. Shouldn’t she try to change because it is the right thing? Isn’t she trying to become a better person for Henry?

This is how Cora has tried to corrupt Regina again, to convince her that everyone will never accept or forgive her. Even Mr. Gold has tried to manipulate Regina into doing what he wants by telling her that there is no point in her changing because they’ll never accept her.

Yes, Rumpelstiltskin and Cora have manipulated and Regina. But Regina had gotten rid of her mother, and Rumpelstiltskin never forced her to do anything. He never forced her to go back to a marriage that she knew she would hate. He never forced her to try to kill Snow White and keep The Huntsman prisoner. That was all Regina.

And Snow’s comment was unnecessary, it’s like she’s poking the bear, which struck me as not just mean, but dumb as well.

I do agree with that. Snow White’s comment was not smart. But on the otherhand, she wasn’t cruel or mean to Regina. Seeing as how this is the woman that tried to kill her numerous times, she was actually civil to her.

At last some common sense … I love Lana Parilla but Regina has willingly murdered people so I do not see her as a sympathetic character. .

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