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Question for this statement is. Who is going to deside the correct amount of remorse and responsibility taking ?
When I talk about Regina’s remorse, I mean that she should actually apologize. Admit that what she did was wrong. And realize that, yes she suffered, but her actions caused others to suffer. I’ve not once seen her do that.
Regina believes that and that is what she has gone with her whole life. Because she believes, that is her “role” she will always be stuck in it. Until the day she, or somebody, shows her she CAN change.
Her whole reasoning for changing had been for Henry. Not Snow White or Emma. She should want to change because it is the right thing to do. And she herself later admitted that the case against her was airtight–anyone would have believed it. Cora herself said that Regina did not want them (the whole town bascially) to like her. She did not care for them. She only cared about getting Henry, and she wanted everyone else out of the way.
And Henry himself already showed that he believed in her to be able to change when he hugged her and told her so.
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Her whole reasoning for changing had been for Henry. Not Snow White or Emma. She should want to change because it is the right thing to do.
She should want to and she should BELIEVE that she can change. That’s my point, belief is everything. And right now everyone, including Regina, believes she can’t be anybody but the stereotype Evil Queen she was in fairytaleland, but as Emma on one occasion states “She is not the evil Queen here, she is Regina”
Henry is her motivation for change right now and not remorse, and he is the one thing they are keeping away from her. Don’t get me wrong I understand them to a surtain extend, he is a kid and they are afraid for him. But they don’t see that, that is exactly what is keeping Regina their enemy and keeping her in the role as evil.
Henry in glimpses did show Regina a better way and she did follow him but only breafly and not long enough for remorse of her wrong actions to start to sink in.
Look at it this way- If a person is lost in the woods at night and can’t find the right path home to the town- they see a light- they follow it- when they get closer to the town, the light brightens up the path and they can start following the path again instead of the light.
Henry is Reginas light, and it’s okay for him to be her motivation to change, remorse will come later. But not if Emma and the Charmings keep Henry and Regina apart.@medchen wrote:
Elle-
Her whole reasoning for changing had been for Henry. Not Snow White or Emma. She should want to change because it is the right thing to do.
She should want to and she should BELIEVE that she can change. That’s my point, belief is everything. And right now everyone, including Regina, believes she can’t be anybody but the stereotype Evil Queen she was in fairytaleland, but as Emma on one occasion states “She is not the evil Queen here, she is Regina”
Henry is her motivation for change right now and not remorse, and he is the one thing they are keeping away from her. Don’t get me wrong I understand them to a surtain extend, he is a kid and they are afraid for him. But they don’t see that, that is exactly what is keeping Regina their enemy and keeping her in the role as evil.
Henry in glimpses did show Regina a better way and she did follow him but only breafly and not long enough for remorse of her wrong actions to start to sink in.
Look at it this way- If a person is lost in the woods at night and can’t find the right path home to the town- they see a light- they follow it- when they get closer to the town, the light brightens up the path and they can start following the path again instead of the light.
Henry is Reginas light, and it’s okay for him to be her motivation to change, remorse will come later. But not if Emma and the Charmings keep Henry and Regina apart.It isn’t Henry’s responsibility to keep his mother on the straight and narrow. Plus, they weren’t really keeping Henry away from Regina, they have had some contact- Emma took him to NYC to take him from Cora, who is a great danger to him.
Also, since Regina is obviously planning on getting Henry back with her machinations with Cora, being away from Regina is the best thing for Henry.
LilaMae-
It isn’t Henry’s responsibility to keep his mother on the straight and narrow. Plus, they weren’t really keeping Henry away from Regina, they have had some contact- Emma took him to NYC to take him from Cora, who is a great danger to him.
Also, since Regina is obviously planning on getting Henry back with her machinations with Cora, being away from Regina is the best thing for Henry.
I’m not saying it is his responsibility. I’m saying he is her motivation. And that it is okay for her to be motivated by him, instead of her own remorse, to try and find a better path.
Regina wouldn’t be planning and machinating things with Cora if she had not been kept from Henry in the first place.
I’m saying he is her motivation. And that it is okay for her to be motivated by him, instead of her own remorse, to try and find a better path
It’s not OK for Henry to be her sole motivating factor. Because what happens you remove that motivator? Exactly what happened. She goes back to evil. That’s putting an awful lot of responsibility on an 11 year old boy’s shoulders. That’s basically saying, “Be nice to her, don’t piss her off, don’t turn your back on her, don’t do anything wrong… because if you do, she’ll go back to her old ways.”
It’s great that she wants to change for Henry. But, he can’t be the only reason she wants to change. Because if she doesn’t get him in the end, or get him along the way in which she expects, then she’s going to give up and go back to how she was. Like they’ve already shown she’s done.
Regina needs to be on this redemption arc because of her own remorse, because it’s the right thing to do, and Henry can be that extra push she needs. Not the sole reason for it (as it stands now).
Sure it would be better and easier if there were more motivating factors but since there is not, at the moment, it is stupid to remove the one thing that could change things.
And once again It is NOT Henrys responsibility to change Regina. It is Reginas. But all the other adults around them have a responsibility and play a part, whether they like it or not. When they ‘take’ Reginas son away from her- her sole motivation- That will have an effect. And it is not by making things better, not for enyone, including Henry.But they don’t see that, that is exactly what is keeping Regina their enemy and keeping her in the role as evil.
I haven’t once seen them treat her as still the Evil Queen, other than in The Cricket Game when they believed her of murder. Other than that, they kept their distance. They didn’t want much to do with her. And it isn’t really the townspeople job to hold her hand. Regina chose redemption and she has done much–they are not gonna openly embrace her, at least in the first two weeks of her redemption.
Also, since Regina is obviously planning on getting Henry back with her machinations with Cora, being away from Regina is the best thing for Henry.
I agree. If Regina is going back to her old ways, then she shouldn’t be near Henry. It didn’t take her long to return back–she had one minute been fearful of Cora and what she would do to Henry, while wisely pointing out that Cora was the one that made the case against her regarding Archie’s murder, to suddenly reconciling with her and helping her.
Regina wouldn’t be planning and machinating things with Cora if she had not been kept from Henry in the first place.
And she shouldn’t be working with Cora in the first place. Cora killed Daniel, the man Regina loved. She was willing to force her daughter to marry King Leopold. Regina herself stated that Cora destroys everything and everyone she loves. And yet she is working with her.
It’s not OK for Henry to be her sole motivating factor. Because what happens you remove that motivator? Exactly what happened. She goes back to evil. That’s putting an awful lot of responsibility on an 11 year old boy’s shoulders. That’s basically saying, “Be nice to her, don’t piss her off, don’t turn your back on her, don’t do anything wrong… because if you do, she’ll go back to her old ways.”
Agreed. If Henry is her motivator, it still makes it hard to trust her. She could easily go back to her old ways. No one has a guarentee of their saftey.
Regina needs to be on this redemption arc because of her own remorse, because it’s the right thing to do, and Henry can be that extra push she needs. Not the sole reason for it (as it stands now).
Also agree. 🙂
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There must be belief and motivation in order for any change to happen. You take away the motivation, you kill the belief and there is only gonna be stagnation or worse and probably in this case a ‘falling of the waterwagon’ situation and reverting backwards.And eventhough as you say it is Reginas responsibility to make the changes. Everybody else around her also plays a part in it- no man or woman is an island. If they want her to change for the better and not be The Evil Queen they need to understand what their own actions will do in that regard.
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Sure it would be better and easier if there were more motivating factors but since there is not, at the moment, it is stupid to remove the one thing that could change things.
First of all, Henry isn’t living with her because he doesn’t want to. She originally forced him to stay with her and soon as he got there he started running away but she kept him physically bound to the house. Regina finally allowed him to leave because she realized she was treating her son the exact same way her mother treated her.
Regina is a dangerous woman. Already proven dangerous to Henry as he literally died because of her and her actions. He needs to be removed from her for his own safety. She isn’t responsible. She allows her feelings and anger to cloud her judgment. She is quick to anger. It’s not a good place for him.
That’s not stupid of Emma or David to not want Henry there. It’s responsible of them. So what if she’s trying to change and Henry is her sole factor? That means he should be put in jeopardy? I don’t think so.
And once again It is NOT Henrys responsibility to change Regina. It is Reginas. But all the other adults around them have a responsibility and play a part, whether they like it or not.
No, they don’t have a responsibility to help Regina change. The victims do not have a responsibility to help reform their attackers. No.
When they ‘take’ Reginas son away from her- her sole motivation- That will have an effect. And it is not by making things better, not for enyone, including Henry.
So because Regina is going to have a temper tantrum they should just give what Regina wants? I don’t think so. There might be consequences to Henry not being with Regina. But there will be consequences to whatever Regina does and she will have to deal with that.
I believe Regina is a responsible parent when it comes to her son. She loves him and took care of him for 11 years. I understand why Emma and the Charmings are afraid for him to go live with her permanently, but I don’t think it is justified to keep them from eatchother completely, with no contact at all- But that said, I don’t think that is what they are perposely and knowingly doing right now. It’s just that curcomstances has made it that way right now.
Schmacky-
No, they don’t have a responsibility to help Regina change. The victims do not have a responsibility to help reform their attackers. No.
People always have a responsibility for their own actions. And Emma, Snow and Charmings (+more) actions towards Regina will have an effect on her ‘redemption’. So if they WANT her to change for the better (and the want is important here) I say, that they are going about it the wrong way… But if they don’t want her to change , if they just don’t care. Then I say, they should carry on the way they’re going now.
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