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November 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm #224216kpercymanParticipant
TeamBrothers is falling down the deep dark pit to Tatatus. This interview just about covers the Pandy theory floating out there.[adrotate group="5"]November 15, 2013 at 8:09 pm #224218RumplesGirlKeymaster
TeamBrothers is following down the deep dark pit to Tatatus. This interview just about covers the Pandy theory floating out there.
Yeah this makes DaddyPan look like it’s really happening."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 15, 2013 at 8:18 pm #224222kpercymanParticipant
RG: We will need to keep the dream alive!
At least we still have Sneaky Fairy.November 15, 2013 at 8:21 pm #224223lunatigerParticipant
Ugh…this episode sounds like another tear jerker for sure. Knowing it’s a Rumple flashback, they never end well…November 15, 2013 at 8:21 pm #224224RumplesGirlKeymaster
RG: We will need to keep the dream alive! At least we still have Sneaky Fairy.
TeamBrothers until the bitter end!!!
(Sneaky Fairy will always be sneaky. And when that is shown I shall dance a victory dance)"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 15, 2013 at 8:35 pm #224226rumbelledearieParticipant
Unlike Rumple’s relationship with Neal, which was tenuous because of Rumple’s quest for power, Malcolm really doesn’t want to have anything to do with his son. “The boy’s a kind of tagalong,” Carlyle explains. “You find him hanging outside the bar waiting for his father to come out.”
But there are still a lot of parallels between the two relationships since the young Bae always hoped to have a closer relationship with his own father, who, despite being preoccupied with dark magic, did love Bae with all his heart. “That’s a moment we can kind of bond over,” Raymond-James says. “‘See, you know what it’s like to have a sh—y father then, too! And it’s hard and maybe I’ve been harder on you than I needed to.’”
Poor Rumple 🙁 This is going to be a tough episode. I wonder how Neal even finds out about Rumple’s relationship with his father, is it a conversation they have, does the shadow reveal something, or maybe PP does……I’m super excited for this episode it looks like it’s going to be a really strong one 🙂
*Still not convinced about the PP = Rumple’s father theory. The only way it makes sense to me is if Rumple doesn’t know PP is his father. If Rumple DID know I feel like his reaction to PP this season would involve more than just distrust/hate, it would be a lot more complicated, just like Neal’s reaction to Rumple isn’t pure hate/resentment. I’m for the brothers theory for now.*November 15, 2013 at 10:16 pm #224230MatthewPaulModerator
TeamBrothers is falling down the deep dark pit to Tatatus. This interview just about covers the Pandy theory floating out there.
It is looking more and more likely to join NealfirePan and Hookriel down there. =pNovember 15, 2013 at 10:26 pm #224231PheeParticipant
*Still not convinced about the PP = Rumple’s father theory. The only way it makes sense to me is if Rumple doesn’t know PP is his father. If Rumple DID know I feel like his reaction to PP this season would involve more than just distrust/hate, it would be a lot more complicated, just like Neal’s reaction to Rumple isn’t pure hate/resentment. I’m for the brothers theory for now.*
Yeah. Also, if Pan really is a de-aged Malcolm, they’d best have an explanation for how he still has memories of Rumple’s life as a child, because August lost his memories, and Neal would have lost his memories if Rumple had de-aged him.
If Malcolm de-aged and kept his memories, Rumple had to know that, because he recognises Pan, so he knew him as someone who was close to him, after the de-aging, which you’d think would have been the final straw that broke their relationship off completely, emotionally and also physically if that’s when he went to NL. So if de-aged Malcolm kept his memories of Rumple, then why did Rumple say that de-aging Neal would take away his memories? How would Rumple even be able to think of doing that to his son, if he’d been through a traumatic de-aging with his own father?
I don’t deny that the way this article describes Malcolm, it does sound very much like the characterisation of Pan. The logic of it all just isn’t clicking in my head though, so I hope that if that IS the direction they’re going in, they answer those questions I have so I can believe the storyline.
Anyway, one thing I do know for sure about this ep is that it’s gonna break my heart, and after seeing it, many of the previous Rumple storyline will break my heart all over again in a whole new way.November 15, 2013 at 10:54 pm #224233kfchimeraParticipant
No magical reason that memories could not be retained. There could be different ways to stay young or turn back time.
I think their conversation works either as brother or estranged, irresponsible resentful father.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-GlassNovember 15, 2013 at 11:46 pm #224242MatthewPaulModerator
I believe this theory might have been mentioned somewhere, but what if Pan and Malcolm are one and the same, but at the same time they’re not? Let me explain. What if who we know as Pan is really the essence of the darkest evil that was originally trapped within Pandora’s box and it in turn possessed Malcolm and took on the form of a boy? Malcolm’s body is merely a vessel, and Pan has retained all of Malcolm’s memories. I do think the name “Pan” being a part of “Pandora’s Box” is no coincidence. Perhaps Hooks comment “He may look like a boy, but he’s a bloody demon” is not far off from the truth. This would really explain why Pan is as powerful as he is.
This reminds me of the main antagonist of Kingdom Hearts, which itself is a Disney crossover video game franchise. The main villain of the series is named Master Xehanort, a wicked keyblade master who embraces the darkness. In the prequel game “Birth By Sleep”, Xehanort turns traitor on everybody and one thing he ends up doing is possessing the body of a stronger and younger keyblade master named Terra. He changes the appearance Terra’s body and gains full control over it completely, while Terra’s original essence remains prisoner.
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