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May 3, 2016 at 2:39 pm #322702RumplesGirlKeymaster
As I said in another thread, I don’t think Regina will become the Evil Queen again by choice. I highly suspect that she is somehow given Jekyll’s potion, and turns into the Evil Queen against her own will. I think the writers miss writing certain characters when they were evil, and can’t help but figure out ways to do so again in the present. We’ve seen them do so with Rumple countless times, and we even saw them do it with Hook at the end of 5A. However, they want to have their cake and eat it too. By using Jekyll’s potion, they aren’t necessarily going against Regina’s character development and long term redemption. This would be like the Spell of Shattered Sight again, but probably more long term. She could also transform back and forth, which could add a new dimension to this.
That seems fairly likely. Not sure if I like it…but it seems likely. Rumple’s been doing it nonstop, Hook became the DO, so now it’s Regina’s turn.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 3, 2016 at 2:48 pm #322704nevermoreParticipantAs I said in another thread, I don’t think Regina will become the Evil Queen again by choice. I highly suspect that she is somehow given Jekyll’s potion, and turns into the Evil Queen against her own will. I think the writers miss writing certain characters when they were evil, and can’t help but figure out ways to do so again in the present. We’ve seen them do so with Rumple countless times, and we even saw them do it with Hook at the end of 5A.
The writers have kinda sorta drawn on RL Stevenson before with the oblique nod to Captain Silver, and Treasure Island, but never fully committed. But Jekyll and Hyde do seem like a rather random choice aside from the possibility of using Dr. Jekyll’s MacGuffin — excuse me, serum — to get Regina back to EQ.
But I do wonder, how effective would this whole thing be? If the plot is the recuperation of the science vs magic story, with yet another instantiation of the previously half-baked Rumple is evil and goes after Henry, who is suddenly against magic — I mean, not every half-baked draft that ended up in their metaphorical trash bin needs to be resurrected. This story would have been great on the heels of S1 because this was exactly what S1 was setting up. But now — I just don’t see how these past few seasons have set up anything, period. It’s just aimless hopping from one flashy plot point and romance-driven hand wringing to the next. I don’t personally sense an overarching narrative structure. Also, Henry’s now what, 15? What might have been cute and understandable when he was 10 (magic causes misery, lets get rid of ALL MAGIC) is not going to come across in the same way from a teenager, who is, presumably, capable of much more sophisticated, complex, non-linear thinking.
You said it yourself with Rumple — they’ve done this. And done this. And done this some more. Too much plot recycling and flip flopping on a character, and the whole thing will start feeling like they’re peddling the TV version of pre-owned chewing gum.
They’ve more or less ruined Rumple’s character to the point where even Robert Carlyle’s amazing acting talent can’t really salvage it. And that takes some serious ineptitude. I really don’t want Regina’s character to suffer the same fate.
May 3, 2016 at 2:49 pm #322705MatthewPaulModeratorThat seems fairly likely. Not sure if I like it…but it seems likely. Rumple’s been doing it nonstop, Hook became the DO, so now it’s Regina’s turn.
When Robin’s death was first rumored, didn’t we theorize way back when that it could be so that the writers could find a way to bring back the Evil Queen? Looks like we’re revisiting that theory…
May 3, 2016 at 2:53 pm #322706thedarkonedearieParticipantWhen Robin’s death was first rumored, didn’t we theorize way back when that it could be so that the writers could find a way to bring back the Evil Queen? Looks like we’re revisiting that theory…
I much prefer the theory that bc of Robin’s death, Henry goes to New York, which then causes Regina to go to New York, which then causes her to take Jekyll’s potion and turn into her evil self. If Robin dies, and Regina willingly turns back into the Evil Queen, I will start flipping chairs.
May 3, 2016 at 2:57 pm #322707RumplesGirlKeymasterThat seems fairly likely. Not sure if I like it…but it seems likely. Rumple’s been doing it nonstop, Hook became the DO, so now it’s Regina’s turn.
When Robin’s death was first rumored, didn’t we theorize way back when that it could be so that the writers could find a way to bring back the Evil Queen? Looks like we’re revisiting that theory…
Yes we did; the end result is basically the same (EQ reutrns) but the plot-why is a bit different.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 3, 2016 at 2:59 pm #322708RumplesGirlKeymasterAnyone else feel like the show is going backwards—season wise at least?
S5 (both A and B) had some serious S3A and B overtones and now S6A is set up like S2B. So is 6B going to look like 2A–maybe this time Charming and Emma get trapped in the EF and have to battle someone in order to get back home? There’s an awful lot of plot that got forsaken in 2 once NVL happened.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 3, 2016 at 3:20 pm #322709MatthewPaulModeratorAnyone else feel like the show is going backwards—season wise at least?
S5 (both A and B) had some serious S3A and B overtones and now S6A is set up like S2B. So is 6B going to look like 2A–maybe this time Charming and Emma get trapped in the EF and have to battle someone in order to get back home? There’s an awful lot of plot that got forsaken in 2 once NVL happened.
Could they be going back to the ideas they originally had for the end of Season 2 into Season 3, before Neverland got greenlit?
May 3, 2016 at 3:25 pm #322711RumplesGirlKeymasterAnyone else feel like the show is going backwards—season wise at least? S5 (both A and B) had some serious S3A and B overtones and now S6A is set up like S2B. So is 6B going to look like 2A–maybe this time Charming and Emma get trapped in the EF and have to battle someone in order to get back home? There’s an awful lot of plot that got forsaken in 2 once NVL happened.
Could they be going back to the ideas they originally had for the end of Season 2 into Season 3, before Neverland got greenlit?
Maybe. Snow and Emma were supposed to be in the EF for longer; we had King George’s plot in SB that went nowhere fast; FrankenWolf (though that’s clearly over now); and they could flesh out the Home Office a bit more with some clever writing since Peter is now dead and the Lost Boys are…somewhere
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 3, 2016 at 3:45 pm #322714rainbow2ParticipantCould they be going back to the ideas they originally had for the end of Season 2 into Season 3, before Neverland got greenlit?
Well that is the thing tho, they got the rights for NVL after S1, they cast hook character during the s1 and s2, so all their ideas for S2 could still have been used, the thing that may have changed things was the fact that Colin broke his leg, that was what changed all s2b storyline. And also the fact that they changed who would be Peter pan, bc i seen many people online and even know that say that they for sure were going to make Bae and we also know that the fact that Sonequa got regular cast on TWD didnt help, so that storyline was over. So was not the fact that they got NVL arc that got in the way, was more personal things from the actors.
However looking back now, i wonder if the fact that Wendy actress tweeted Adam saying she was excited about S6, means something.
May 3, 2016 at 4:27 pm #322718thedarkonedearieParticipantWell that is the thing tho, they got the rights for NVL after S1, they cast hook character during the s1 and s2, so all their ideas for S2 could still have been used, the thing that may have changed things was the fact that Colin broke his leg, that was what changed all s2b storyline. And also the fact that they changed who would be Peter pan, bc i seen many people online and even know that say that they for sure were going to make Bae and we also know that the fact that Sonequa got regular cast on TWD didnt help, so that storyline was over. So was not the fact that they got NVL arc that got in the way, was more personal things from the actors.
I was under the impression that they got the rights to Hook but they did not get the rights to Peter Pan right out of the gate in season 2. I believe they were separate and didn’t get Pan rights til the end of season 2. And Tamara and Greg didn’t stay around because they were reviewed by the fan base very poorly I thought. Correct me if I’m wrong though.
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