March 4, 2015 at 3:15 am #297512
In 4×11, “Heroes and Villians,” Maleficent says, “We made a deal, Rumple. And you never go back on a deal.” I’m assuming the Enchanted Forest events in 4×12, “Darkness on the Edge of Town,” take place before this, as the QOD’s don’t yet know each other. Why would Maleficent make that statement if Rumple had previously broken a deal with her like he did in 4×12? – Promising happy endings and then leaving them to die instead.[adrotate group="5"]March 4, 2015 at 8:44 am #297530RumplesGirlKeymaster
Not only that, but Rumple once said that he has only ever broken one deal in his life–and that was the deal he broke with Bae back in the EF"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 4, 2015 at 12:41 pm #297552GaultheriaParticipant
Did Rumpel break the deal he made? Or just the deal the others thought he’d made?
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I thought about that too RumplesGirl. I can see Rumple maybe technically not considering it a deal, but it’s hard to believe Mal wouldn’t see it as him breaking a deal. And she just said that an episode ago.March 4, 2015 at 3:06 pm #297577PanTheManParticipant
Rumple loves to get hung up on technicalities and semantics. Nobody is really happier after making a deal with Rumple. The only people he bothers making deals with are the people he can manipulate.
It’s possible that Rumple thought being killed by the Chernabog was the happiest ending possible for the QoD.
Maybe Rumple knew the QoD would escape the Chernabog, knowing it would make Mal, Cruella, and Ursula friends, thus, giving them a happy ending or pushing them in the direction of their happy ending. Considering his powers of foresight, he must’ve known they’d escape the Chernabog.
Or, he deliberately broke his deal with the QoD. People get caught up here because, officially, the only deal he ever broke was the one he made with Baelfire. Perhaps, this is the only deal he broke that actually mattered to him. He wasn’t trying to manipulate anyone.
The view we get of Rumple’s character in season 1 is a narrow one. Rumple’s true evil comes to light in later seasons, but we (and I include myself here) refuse to let go of that man who loved his son and did everything and anything to get his son back.
Every season has proven Rumple to be a liar, deeply selfish, and a coward. That hasn’t changed. We want to see the good in Rumple. It’s there, but the man is flawed, and his flaws control him.
Perhaps, like Baelfire, we are naive for trusting Rumple when he said he’d only broken one deal in his life. He’s never been afraid to lie or cheat, and it probably made him feel better to convince himself that he’d only ever broken the one deal with his son.
He’s a liar. In season one, it was easy to believe he didn’t break deals, but knowing what we know now, why would anyone take Rumple on his word? His deals have never been mutually beneficial anyway.
The only reason he made the deal with Baelfire in the first place is because he never thought Baelfire would find a way to go to another land and start a new life. This is a man who wants it all. He chose his power over his son and then did it again with Belle. If you think of marriage as a contract, then he’s also broken a very sacred deal with Belle.
Still, he’s one of my fav characters.March 4, 2015 at 5:06 pm #297590
Nice character analysis of Rumple PanTheMan. I hadn’t thought about his abilities of foresight which meant he might have known they’d survive the Chernabog. I have less of a problem understanding it from Rumple’s perspective than I do from Maleficent’s. Even if Rumple didn’t feel like he broke a deal with the QoD, I don’t see how Maleficent wouldn’t see it as a broken deal. So her statement that he never breaks his deals when he’d royally duped her before seems very strange to me. Maybe the rest of the season will bring more info to light on this since it seems like an odd inconsistency to have in back-to-back episodes.March 4, 2015 at 5:26 pm #297595PriceofMagicParticipant
Perhaps Maleficent considers that the deal still stands. The QoD survived so Rumple is still obligated to help them get their happy endings and she was just reminding him of that? “And you never go back on a deal” is also challenging Rumple. He’s talked the talk but can he walk the walk.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixMarch 4, 2015 at 6:14 pm #297601KebParticipant
Rumple misleads and uses the fine print. He DOES lie outright–but we rarely saw him do so before S4. He’s always believed that the ends justified the means, at least as an adult–even when he injured himself to escape the ogres war, he was following that exact, selfish creed. We sympathize because he wanted to be with his wife and son, but it still followed the pattern we’re seeing with him now.
The logic he uses with the heroes when they call him out on using them follows it, too: “Did you get what you wanted? Then it’s all good, right?”
While recognizing that the creators’ vision of the character has shifted since then, I still firmly believe that Rumple’s statement about not lying in S2 holds–he believed that about himself. Zelena’s treatment and the temptations of the hat overrode that, but prior Rumple did generally stick to his deals and give some version of the truth to those who dealt with him.
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Perhaps Maleficent was saying “You never go back on a deal” facetiously. That could make sense.
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