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Despite speculation about Rumple’s intentions with the shears, it turns out that Dear Old Dark One Dad was going to use them on Morfetus as soon as he’s born, in order to change the baby’s perception of its father.
1) Does this…make sense? Tabula rasa is actually a philosophical concept we might need to tackle. Should he be born with concepts of good/evil and already taking sides against one of his parents?
2) Can Rumple be a better man and have his son love him, flaws and all?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"You know when Snow and Charming heard that their child had a mere ghost of a chance of becoming dark they freaked out and threw another baby through a portal and made her dark instead. And they did that incredibly foolish and wrong thing together.
Belle hears from Zelena, who heard from EQ, who assumed that Rumple wanted to sheer away the baby’s destiny to become a morose dream god and she’s all ‘nuh uh, you’re not changing our son’s crappy future’. …sometimes I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this wreck of a relationship.
Despite speculation about Rumple’s intentions with the shears, it turns out that Dear Old Dark One Dad was going to use them on Morfetus as soon as he’s born, in order to change the baby’s perception of its father. 1) Does this…make sense? Tabula rasa is actually a philosophical concept we might need to tackle. 2) Can Rumple be a better man and have his son love him, flaws and all?
The question is why Morfetus has the perception anyway, I think it freaked Rumple out as did Belle automatically dumping him because of it. Do I think it was a good idea of course not. Do I think it should be possible even in the scope of OUAT, no. How can you be a clean slate when you are supposed to be a clean slate upon birth anyway? If he tried to use the shears right after the baby is born what will he accomplish, won’t he need to go to the point where he looses the child’s love and then use the shears. It didn’t make sense, but of course this whole concept never had.
As for your second question of course Rumple can be a better man and have his son’s love flaws in all. All parents have flaws and make mistakes. A child’s love is a lot like a parents love, unconditional. I think Belle was right on when she stated that he is basically choosing to act this way and can choose to be a good man. Rumple is acting out of fear, which is very in character for him, at heart Rumple has not changed much he is still the insecure coward who does not feel he is worthy of love.
I’m a pretty big believer in tabula rasa–I don’t agree with the idea that Morfetus is born believing one thing about his father. As a fetus he doesn’t have any sort of reference point for good, evil, right and wrong (he can’t even hold his head up yet, yet along tackle such intricate philosophical preponderances) and will make his own decisions based on his culture, society, lifestyle, and influences from both his parents. This is why so many of us thought that Morfetus believed as he did in the Dream World largely because he was a manifestation of Belle’s anger/hurt toward Rumple. Take that away and I’m not sure how I’m supposed to understand this.
Also, I’m sorta shocked that no one has brought up Neal. By the end, he and his father had made a sort of peace. Neal loved his father in spite of his father’s flaws and even came to understand some of Rumple’s fears and cowardice thanks to their time in Neverland and leaning about Pan. Someone needs to remind Rumple of this, that his other son saw the man behind the beast and moreover saw that his father was still his Papa even when he didn’t always like some of his actions.
But that would mean bringing up Neal which, yknow, we mustn’t do.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Is Morfetus really a blank slate though? Normally fetuses are, but he was conceived by a Dark One, and that’s something we’ve never explored before. After all, Baelfire was born before Rumple ever became the Dark One. There could be some major side effects that we don’t know of just yet. The thought crossed my mind ever since we learned of his conception, honestly.
Is Morfetus really a blank slate though? Normally fetuses are, but he was conceived by a Dark One, and that’s something we’ve never explored before. After all, Baelfire was born before Rumple ever became the Dark One. There could be some major side effects that we don’t know of just yet. The thought crossed my mind ever since we learned of his conception, honestly.
Right, but he’s also Belle’s son, who is not in any way shape or form dark/evil. If the writers want to un-blank-slate him, then okay, but at least make it more equal. From Belle he should get her ability to see people for who they really are and even in this episode Belle believes that Rumple “isn’t acting like he could” and she’s always believed that Rumple could–if he tried and worked at it–be the better man.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t know. None of Rumple’s story right now makes sense to me. Not Morfetus, not this absurd business with the shears, not Rumple’s motivation to hook up with EQ. I guess the only glimpse of what I recall the character to be about is this being afraid to fail but it’s been 5 seasons of this and is so repetitive at this point that I am not sure why this is supposed to be compelling writing.
Belle’s speech was nice, again recalling some of the Rumbelle dynamic but the writers are putting 0 effort into psychological development. At this point Belle and Rumple are simply props to move the plot along, create drama, and power-up EQ. Whose point I also honestly don’t see.
Its funny with this season, some strands of the story are really good but there’s also a lot that just seems completely contrived. I am not even sure what Rumple’s point is as a character anymore other than a plot prop.
Its funny with this season, some strands of the story are really good but there’s also a lot that just seems completely contrived.
This is exactly my feeling, and it is almost more infuriating than watching episodes that have no glimmers of greatness in them.
I am not even sure what Rumple’s point is as a character anymore other than a plot prop.
I think I’ve said this every season since S4, but I really do think they’re gearing up to kill him off.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I think I’ve said this every season since S4, but I really do think they’re gearing up to kill him off.
They might. It very much depends I think on whether this is the last season and whether RC wants to leave. I would have agreed with you two seasons ago, but I am increasingly thinking that these writers don’t actually see that they’re not doing anything interesting with a character. Or rather, I don’t believe they care. Robin was disposable. Rumple? Not as much. This has been a problem with Rumple since after S3B, and they’ve been doing this over and over and over, with seemingly no effort at all to break the cycle. So my only conclusion is: they are actually way more cynical than we give them credit for. Robert Carlyle brings eyeballs, and eyeballs must translate into profits from ads in some way, yes? The repetitiveness of Rumple’s storyline doesn’t seem to deter viewers beyond expected attrition. So why mess with a good thing, right?
This has been a general feature of OUAT. Unless the writers are really invested in a character (for example Regina and Hook), they are content with redoing storylines, down to outright self-plagiarism.
This is exactly my feeling, and it is almost more infuriating than watching episodes that have no glimmers of greatness in them
Here’s a speculation: I think what we’re seeing this season is the individual writers to whom A&E outsource episodes and storylines are excited about working on their individual strands, and put their best foot forward into writing the dialogue and crafting their little part of the story. And occasionally, the show comes up with interesting ideas, like the sleeping curse time share they just did. This is what we’re seeing with that sense of “wow, that scene was terrific and so well written! Why doesn’t the whole thing gel?”
I think the whole thing doesn’t gel because A&E are creatively bankrupt. And the reason for that is that they never bothered with world-building, so now they’re just confusing themselves. I don’t know if it’s just show exhaustion (3 seasons too long, in my opinion), or if that’s just A&E’s running out of ideas for the JJ Abrams fanfiction, which is really what OUAT is. *shrug* Sorry, I think I’m coming across as a bit vinegary, but I share your exact frustration. It’d be ok if it were bad across the board, but there is clearly both writing and acting labor that goes into it. Just not, as I see it, from the people who are meant to have the “big vision.”
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