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My money is on them being two of the Three Fates and the Seer being their sister. The Fates are spinners, and in some incarnations blind, with one eye that they share between them. They’re also collectively know as the Morai. *peers in Morraine’s general direction* Interesting thought about them being Aurora’s fairies, too. Just because I’m convinced they’re the fates doesn’t mean they’re not also fairies or mixed up with fairies in some way. I’ll be sad if Blue is Merriweather though. I do so like Merriweather, still the idea that Blue was trying to replace Flora and Fauna was kinda neat.
[adrotate group="5"]My money is on them being two of the Three Fates and the Seer being their sister. The Fates are spinners, and in some incarnations blind, with one eye that they share between them. They’re also collectively know as the Morai. *peers in Morraine’s general direction* Interesting thought about them being Aurora’s fairies, too. Just because I’m convinced they’re the fates doesn’t mean they’re not also fairies or mixed up with fairies in some way. I’ll be sad if Blue is Merriweather though. I do so like Merriweather, still the idea that Blue was trying to replace Flora and Fauna was kinda neat.
Maybe they are all one and the same. There are several people who think that Morriane = Blue Fairy = Seer = Third Spinster.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I like that idea. The only thing I can’t quite figure is that Morraine seemed to be well-known in the village, like she had always lived there and had a family. I’d have to go back and watch Desperate Souls again to make sure, but that’s a tricky role to pull off, unless Blue disguised herself as a foundling, was taken in by someone, and literally dedicated 90% of her time to the role for fifteen years. But then, there does seem to be a potential endgame we don’t understand yet, and if it’s that important…maybe she was willing to give up the jellyfish skirts for a decade or two.
Opera13: I think maybe Morraine was just a girl, but also a tool of the fates in that they planted the idea in her mind. Or they impersonated her.
In the thread on Pan and Malcom someone brought up that the clock on magic in NL started when Malcolm broke the rules by deciding to stay. I wonder if something similar had already happened in the Enchanted Forest. To expand the “Fairy-momma” theory for Rumple, if fairies are not to love, and Malcom romanced one and she died, and he was stuck with the baby, and that fairy was one of 3 important fairies in the land, it could be a huge problem. We saw only 2 spinners, after all.
So maybe Blue (in disguise as Spinner) puts in motion a huge chain of events to try to restore the magic in EF , before it too runs out of magic, just like in NL. So she pretends to Malcolm that she’s just a nice old spinner lady who’ll look after his boy. That’s why these ladies have a bean and give it to Rumpel. They have the gift of sight to be able to guess at what paths might make certain outcomes happen. Eventually one of these fairies goes bad (Maleficient!) and Blue tries to train replacements but never really finds anyone good enough (though Nova and Tink come close but being a master fate fairy is hard, because there are so many times you actually make things worse by trying to help!).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
So maybe Blue (in disguise as Spinner) puts in motion a huge chain of events to try to restore the magic in EF , before it too runs out of magic, just like in NL. So she pretends to Malcolm that she’s just a nice old spinner lady who’ll look after his boy. That’s why these ladies have a bean and give it to Rumpel. They have the gift of sight to be able to guess at what paths might make certain outcomes happen. Eventually one of these fairies goes bad (Maleficient!) and Blue tries to train replacements but never really finds anyone good enough (though Nova and Tink come close but being a master fate fairy is hard, because there are so many times you actually make things worse by trying to help!).
I could see it and fits with the idea of Blue being Sneaky.
I want to add in my own headcanon which is that she is trying to restore magic to get rid of the Dark One’s Curse because if she can do that, then she can bring back her TL, the Shadow of NL.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"At the moment I’m playing with the thought that Rumplestilskin is actually the third spinster. Of course it sounds weird because normally the spinsters are female. The three Norns, the thre Morai, Mother Hulda/Frau Holle, and Frau Perchta. All of them are female. But if they are just a reference to the three spinsters fairy tale and they got the bean from someone else it would make sense if Rumple represent the third one.
“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeTumblr post with some thoughts on the 3 Fates theory…
Henry may or may not be a child born of True Love, but he is a child born of Fate.
This is just my theory, anyway (though I doubt I’m the only one who shares it). Last night’s episode just confirmed it for me, really.
IN last night’s episode, “Think Lovely Thoughts”, we got to see where Rumpelstiltskin learned of his talent for spinning thread. Now, I know the Fates normally consist of three sisters, but those two spinning ladies immediately tripped the connection in my mind. The way they worked with thread, the way they were so in tune with each other, the way they spoke as if they were a single person, the way they set in motion the events that led to Henry’s birth… well, like I said. Henry is a child of Fate.
If the spinning ladies are indeed two of the three Fates, I have a feeling they were Clotho and Lachesis, since Atropos deals with the end of life. What the two women set in motion was all about the creation of life (Henry’s) and making sure the destinies of those already living (Rumpel and Malcolm) played out the way they were intended.
(I kinda lost my train of thought here, because my stomach interrupted my musings, but ANYWAY…)
Another reason I think Henry is a child of Fate is because Pan somehow obtained a drawing depicting Henry’s exact likeness and had literally been looking for him for at least 300 years before he was even born.
My biggest question now, however, is what Henry’s destiny really is. If it was simply to bring an end to Pan, why set in motion the events that created Pan in the first place? The Fates aren’t supposed to be at the mercy of higher beings when it comes to weaving the lives and destinies of others (even other gods and goddesses were subject to them), so it was entirely within their power to assign a different fate to Malcolm and Rumpel. Nah, there’s gotta be something more to it. I hope.
http://slmisfit.tumblr.com/post/67381212026/henry-may-or-may-not-be-a-child-born-of-true-love-but
The fact that they spin thread does make me like the 3 Fates theory.
Their number became fixed at three: Clotho (spinner), Lachesis (allotter) and Atropos (unturnable).
They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death. They were independent, at the helm of necessity, directed fate, and watched that the fate assigned to every being by eternal laws might take its course without obstruction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moirai
They were pretty pushy with Rumple and the bean, making sure he decided to take and use it.Clotho was responsible for spinning the thread of human life. She also made major decisions, such as when a person was born, thus in effect controlling people’s lives. This power enabled her not only to choose who was born, but also to decide when gods or mortals were to be saved or put to death. For example, when Pelops was killed and boiled by his father, it was Clotho who brought him back to life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotho
Normally seen clothed in white, Lachesis is the measurer of the thread woven by Clotho’s spindle, and in some texts, determines Destiny, or thread of life. Her Roman equivalent was Decima. Lachesis was the apportioner, deciding how much time for life was to be allowed for each person or being. She measured the thread of life with her rod. She is also said to choose a person’s destiny after a thread was measured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachesis_%28mythology%29
Atropos or Aisa was the oldest of the Three Fates, and was known as the “inflexible” or “inevitable.” It was Atropos who chose the mechanism of death and ended the life of each mortal by cutting their thread with her “abhorred shears.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropos
The tumblr post suggested that the two ladies we saw were likely Clotho and Lachesis. I’m wondering though if perhaps they could both represent Clotho, who spun the thread of life. Reading the descriptions of the others, Lachesis deciding the length of life made me think of the Shadow and the hourglass, and Atropos being described as the oldest and inflexible made me think of Blue.
The greek version of the fates as spinners definitely applies, but I think it is but one guise the BF uses perhaps. The other verison I linked besides the Moirae, is the Norns, and what stood out there was Ygrdassil, the magic tree. We saw pixie dust grows on trees right, and we associated fairies with it.
We also know there are literally magic trees, in the cabinet and what Pinocchio ‘s source tree. BF associated with those. Regina also has some kind of thing with her apple tree, if they are going to get into that at all.
Beside these three norns, there are many other norns who arrive when a person is born in order to determine his or her future
Norns Wiki That sounds to me like Barries idea that a baby’s laugh made fairies a little bit.
Now the Norns are divided into the past, present and future. In the myth they were originally from Jotunheim, and Giantesses (hello beans!), but also there are references to them being kin to Dwarves. (scroll down on the wiki page).
It is further said that these Norns who dwell by the Well of Urdr take water of the well every day, and with it that clay which lies about the well, and sprinkle it over the Ash, to the end that its limbs shall not wither nor rot; for that water is so holy that all things which come there into the well become as white as the film which lies within the egg-shell,–as is here said:
Again from that wiki page, the reference to a well, and holy water. I remember August’s speech at the well about if something would be magical, it would be water. THen there’s the NL spring that keeps you young.
That poem the quote is from continues:
That dew which falls from it onto the earth is called by men honey-dew, and thereon are bees nourished. Two fowls are fed in Urdr’s Well: they are called Swans, and from those fowls has come the race of birds which is so called.
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Now in some versions, the youngest of the Norns is Skuld who sees the future (the Seer, a child and then young woman, contrast to the older spinner ladies).
Anyway not sure which influences they’re bringing in to their show here, but I definitely think these 2 Spinners seem…Sneaky.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Anyway not sure which influences they’re bringing in to their show here, but I definitely think these 2 Spinners seem…Sneaky.
Yes indeed, their, “Here’s a bean, the bean is awesome, take the bean and run away to another realm, you know you wanna, the bean is the answer to all your problems,” was highly suspect, and reminded me a bit too much of Blue giving the bean to Bae.
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