Who are the spinsters?

[tiara_rose]

My thought that the fates are sorts of fairies. Maybe the first or the most powerful ones. So that is also the reason that I think that Rumple was raised by the sister of  Blue and Blue is the third fairy/fate that is missing here.

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The three spinnster have a magic bean and give his to Rumple and his father to start over again, but cause his father was selfish they failed. Blue also give the next generation a bean (her last one), but she didn’t say to Bae that his father is a burden(like the spinster did to little Rumple), just that the magic he has didn’t belong and they have to seperate him to life a peaceful life, but also Rumple failed.

He didn’t go through the portal, cause he was too afraid, that reason for that are more clear than ever. He wasn’t not only afraid of loosing his magic, but I think more afraid to get to Neverland and have to deal with his dad or worse go to a land without magic and can’t do anything of his nasty tricks. When Pan would take Neal, he would never found him again without the magic. He was afraid the thing would “Reap them apart”. (Rumple if you had talk with Bae about your trip wth your Daddy Pan. Bae had for sure refused the “Gift” of the Blue fairy.)

Altough Rumple told the Fairy that he would never stop trying to find his son, Blue never in all the 300 years stop him to search and killing in the meantime fairies. (Is she feeling guilty?). She even helped him. She pitched her voice higher when he asks her about a curse. (Come on, you are the original Power and can’t lie better than a child)

Then Blue is not a fan of love and fairies. I mean the combination of it, seperated of each she he preching all day long.
A fall in love fairy is the worst taboo that somebody could do in her Opinion. I remind you of Nova and Grumpy, she take them away from each other. Come on, she didn’t thought that Nova was a very good fairy and why can a fairy not love. The dust do the magic not the fairy as we seen.

Also she was really cruel to Tink, when she tried to help Regina to get away from her rage. Why did she do that? I mean if Regina is happy than she would not slaughter people. Takings Tinks wings was too extrem. Tink is compasssion and Blue is cold and mean. All this things leads to one conclusion to me, she did punish Tink and Nova instead of herself like Rumple when he takes Milahs heart out and screams: How could you leave Bae!
She knows about the curse and know how the curse works cause she told the Charmings to prepare some things. So Blue knows which curse Regina is doing and also who was the creator of it, but still she didn’t do anything useful to really stop the curse. Regina didn’t know how the curse has to been cast until the day before. She kept him with magic ink, but let him keep some. Let him locked by normal people, who could be tricked by a mouse, who is the Queen. I mean as the original power why couldn’t she cloak his cell or lock Regina away.  Again she let have Rumple his way to cast his curse.

Blue did it cause then she didn’t have to reveal her secret and give her son a second chance with his son and help him to get rid of the curse. (If that would be true than she would be raisng form a Plot device to a regular scheming Mom in Once)

But I have to say that my theory has a big gap, cause why didn’t she suggest to Bae the kiss of the True Love or why did she only found the magic tree 300 years later. I mean if she give the tree to Rumple only a day for the Dark Curse. The Curse would never been cast and Rumple would be trying to find his son in our world. But if you dig deeper into the myths of the fate you know that Blue can see the future. Would Rumple go to our world, he would not be able to find his son in this strange land, cause maybe his son wouldn’t be their in this time period or he would be over the Atlantic.

So the only way that Rumple find his son and actually have a chance with him is to let Emma talk first with Neal and help Rumple through Belle, who is the only one that can bring his good site out of him.

BLUE WANTS HER BOY BEING HAPPY. (OR SHE IS VERY SNEAKY AND THE REAL BAD ONE)

Also I think about being Blue as Rumples mum is her Outfit. Maybe Rumple has amongst his Daddy Issues a big Mummy Issues and this is the reason all his Girlfriends are brunette and are wearing Blue dresses after a while with him. (Milah wear Blue dress, Cora wear Blue dress after she meets Rumple, before she was a red Lady and Belle changed her golden gown into a blue dress that reminds a lot of Coras)

 

[PriceofMagic]

I think the spinsters may have approached Malcolm about taking in Rumple rather than the other way around. Question is, Why?

All magic comes with a price!

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[RumplesGirl]

I think the spinsters may have approached Malcolm about taking in Rumple rather than the other way around. Question is, Why?

If they wanted to Rumple to be sent to a new land without his father via bean, then have some sort of overall plan. Maybe they were trying to help?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kpercyman]

I think the spinsters may have approached Malcolm about taking in Rumple rather than the other way around. Question is, Why?

I tend to agree.   It seemed that they knew Rumple would do anything to be with his father.  It is interesting that they just had a bean and were willing to give it to him.  Maybe I am looking more into it than necessary.  I do think they are part of The Fates and that something happened to the third.

Blue could be Rumple’s mother (which I don’t really want) but I am leaning to her having some connection to either Camelot or Oz.  She has a master plan and the connection is there but I just can’t see it yet.  I need a master board to lay everything out.

[Kelli Adkins]

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[TheGoldenKey]

RumplesGirl wrote: They were poor spinner and yet they have a magic bean that, according to Malcolm, will fetch TONS of money?

They’re also dressed very well for poor spinners. And they’re dressed almost identically, apart from their jewellery and their shawls, (one has a dark grey/almost black one, and the other is more reddish brown). The different jewellery in particular really stands out. If they’re just a couple of women who spin in their home, are they really gonna have matching uniforms? Their clothing makes me suspicious, but I dunno what to make of it. And then there’s just 2 of them, but characters you think they could possibly be, come in sets of 3. The 3 fairies who raised Aurora, the 3 Fates. There was some talk before the ep aired about how Malcolm is the name of a character in Macbeth, and in that there are 3 witches. And those witches have the gift of prophecy, which is totally a thing that relates to Rumple’s life, and the bean is a thing that’s built into how the prophecy played out later on with Bae, so 3 prophetic Shakespearean witches would totally work…if there wasn’t just 2 of them.

Why am I always late for the party?  hehehe.  I was just mentioning this theory on another thread.  In any event.  MysteryKat posted last week about the Malcolm and MacBeth connection.  The Fates seem to make perfect sense.  They were also called the Moirai which really brings to mind thoughts of Bae’s childhood friend Morraine; thoughts of Moira, Wendy’s great grand-daughter and PP’s wife in the movie Hook; and thoughts of Moiraine, who wielded the weapon Balefire in Wheels of Time.

Now what on “the magical” earth could have made Rumple’s mom (a 3rd Fate/sister) disappear or pass away?

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[TheGoldenKey]

I don’t know about that Hocus Pocus movie, but trios are a significant trope. We mentioned before the fates as 3 spinners, as it is the old Greek myth. Moirae . Now I wonder if Bae’s friend Morraine was not BF herself? Read on in there they talk about people dying in battle remaining as shadows in the underworld. I know someone RG? talked about the Odyssey in relation to Rumple’s story. Disney owns a few properties that reference these archetypes at least indirectly. “The Moon Spinners” though its an offhand thing there, and the reference is only explained in the novel but it is to the greek myth itself. Disney did a very awful rendition live action version with Haley Mills in that 70′s era. The novel though is by Mary Stewart (who wrote that Merlin trilogy I suggested on another thread The Crystal Caves). Could tie back into Ruby of they ever get her on, both with Wizard that made her cloak, child of the moon, I don’t know. Just coincidence though. Disney also had the rights to The Black Cauldron which was based on The chronicles of Prydain, a classic novel by Lloyd Alexander, itself a bit of a remix of welsh myths but includes in The foundling, most notably three spinsters who who take in a small boy . There is also a norse incarnation, the norns. This version brings in a magic tree, Ygrdissil. There is also that fairytale The Three Spinners someone brought up that sounds very like The Rumplestilskin origin fairy tale too. Something is for sure going on with them!

OMGoodness!  LOL!  I should read the entire thread before I start replying.  🙂  I just posted about the Moirai.  The name is also connected to the movie Hook and the book series Wheel of Time.   Great minds think alike. 🙂

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[timespacer]

I love the idea that the spinsters might be two of the Fates. As a fan of Greek mythology, the first thing I thought of when I saw them was, “That’s Clotho and Lachesis!” So where is the third Fate, Atropos?  I think there must be some kind of fairy connection since the Latin word for the Fates, “Fata“, is not only the root of the English word “fate” but also of the word “fairy” (through the French “fae“.) Since Atropos’ name meant literally “un-turnable” in Greek (because she was always inflexible in cutting the thread of time, thus limiting the lifetimes of mortals, I wonder if she might be the Blue Fairy as some of you have suggested. I haven’t bought into the idea that Blue is evil or sneaky but I do agree that she is often inflexible, so that would fit. I see her as a sort of very strict mom who insists everyone follow the rules for their own good. She may have seemed harsh with Tink, but people overlook the act that she also turned out to be right. Despite Tink’s well-intentioned meddling, Regina didn’t go to Robin.

 

I could also see the suggestion that Atropos might have been Rumple’s mother and she died in childbirth because fairies aren’t supposed to fall in love. That would also fit with the fact that before the name “Fata” caught on,  the Romans initially changed the Greek name of the Fates (“Moirai“)  to  “Parcae“, after Parca, the goddess of childbirth (this fit since they believed your fate was assigned at birth.)  Since the word “fairy” comes from the French word for the Fates, could there also be a connection to Belle, since her story is French? Maybe that’s why Belle is the one who can see the good in Rumple.

[Phee]

Interesting how the languages and names are all linked!

Perhaps in the Onciverse, the Fates are actually three particular Fairies? We know that Fairies can assume human size and tuck away their wings, so perhaps that’s what these two have done, with the specific purpose of guiding Rumple’s life. Meanwhile, Fate #3 remains in her Fairy form as Blue.

The way they’re dressed almost identically, just with some colour and adornment variation, reminds me of the Fairies.

[kfchimera]

I think Blue, Green and Red are sort of incarnations of the three fates. 

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BF has not changed, but was the youngest back then during the bean incident.  Something happened to the other two.  Jane E. said something like if BF had more management experience about dealing with Tink, in the Barbara Barnett interview, sort of inadvertently implying Blue had not been around forever in charge.  I think in the Sleeping Beauty myth it is the youngest fairy who undoes the death curse to a sleeping one, which in the movie is Merryweather who is dressed in blue.

BF tries to train replacements.  Green is Tink but she isn’t cut out for it, and Red is Nova but she almost quits for love.  So what if that is the history repeating, that the original red fell in love, had Malcolm, but died, perhaps breaking a rule and causing magic to die out in the Enchanted Forrest?

Probably going too far, but because I love Tinkermomma, maybe Tink’s  first mistake was having Belle, but she had to leave the baby (with Sir Maurice).  She got another chance though, years later she loses that helping a young Regina.

Or Malifcient, who is supposed to be a bad fairy and an old friend of Regina was originally Green but went evil, so Tink was her replacement (Tinker sister? )

They could do anything.   I know they intend to get into the wraith story and MAP whole story, plus Mulan is parked with Robin and we know he is returning.

I hope they get into the origin of fairies!

 

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