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What the Seer told him is that he would not cast the curse and he knew it to be Cora’s offspring and wanted her firstborn who from his PoV was the one to cast it. Now, if he made the mistake of seducing the wrong child to the darkness I would expect that that ties into the “undoing” that the Seer spoke of. Henry being his grandson was a big blind spot and he thought he had cheated that one when everyone got back to Storybrooke. Who’s to say another blind spot in his prophesizing won’t pop up?
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Now Rumple by his own admission knows his farsight is imperfect, that said Rumple in the EF is incredibly arrogant as a result of the knowledge he gains from that ability. Pride goeth before a fall as the saying says. If the Wicked Witch is a child of Cora’s and more specifically an elder child then Regina’s tragedy is to have passed through the 9 levels of hell when by rights it should have been the elder sister’s fate.
While I see what you’re saying I also think that you’re neglecting what his foresight did tell him–it told him that Regina would cast the curse. Once you have that information, why bother going sussing out the details? You have what you need (Regina will cast the curse) and while Rumple did look for alternatives (the slippers for instance, or the bean long before that) the fact remains that he believed it was Regina. And if Cora tried (as it appears) to cover up a child from long before Rumple then he wouldn’t even bother going to look for that information because his foresight told him it was Regina.
Yeah, agreed. If it turns out that the prophecy was actually “Cora’s first born will cast the Curse” as opposed to “Regina will cast the Curse” (I personally think it was actually the latter), then it’s not really Rumple’s fault for not knowing that Cora had already had another kid. If extra blame should be assigned to anyone, it should be assigned to Cora who failed to mention, “Oh actually, I’ve already had a kid.”
Are you sure it’s peasant grab? It looks like sleeping dress kinda like Snow to me. Also if she is trying to hide the birth of this child I don’t think she would have her in they castle.
to me it is, but also the bed is fairly brown and dirty and looks rather homespun. It’s not the luxe quality I associate with royalty. Now it could be her Instagram filter or the lightening, what have you…but to me it looks like poor accommodations.
THIS is a royal pillow…
Cora’s pillow looks like it has a rough surface, something burlap-ish. And I think the fabric of her dress looks like a hard wearing, practical cotton kinda something. Queens wear silk nightgowns.Will we get to see Emma in a Princess Dress soon?
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Will we ever see Henrys book in present day again?
Adam = @SaviorEmSwan #nospoilers! (but we haven’t forgotten about that book!)
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Regina cast the curse and everything before that was because Rumple set a series of events into motion when by rights if my supposition is correct, another scenario would have occurred. I cite his conversation with Henry and with the Seer in Manhattan, what can be and what will be. As to looking for other paths (slippers, beans etc.) the possibility exists that he doubted Regina was the one to do it because of her kind and gentle nature and the fact that he had to push and prod her into that fate and did so because of his overriding motivation to reach Bae. Insofar as Cora neglecting to mention another child, its plausible that she would say to herself “Why would I give up a child of mine to this Imp?” and let’s not forget how cunning Cora can be prime case in point amending the contract so that he taught her to spin gold.
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Rumple tempted Regina, but she did have free will and choice. She did have Tinkerbell offering her support, plus others who wanted to offer her help but she chose differently. Minimizing Regina’s agency undermines the beauty of her redemption, the choices she makes and that struggle in favor of a storyline that would essentially minimize her guilt with “Oh it wasn’t her fault, she wasn’t supposed to be the Evil Queen, therefore all the nasty things she did doesn’t count and its all Rumple’s fault for apprenticing the wrong girl.” I’d rather they didn’t do that.
Instead, I want them to show the present day contrast, not say “it could have been worse”. Show us Wicked, and show us who Regina is now that she had the experiences she’s had and made the changes she’s made. S1 Regina might have met Wicked head on and not cared who got hurt–I want to see Regina standing up for the townspeople, not just Henry. I want to see her truly continuing to earn her redemption–and kicking some Wicked broom too of course.
Along the lines of the past though, I think Cora once said she had “no reason to cheat [Rumple] anymore”–implying she did once cheat him. Perhaps there’s something to that, but I wonder as Phee said at the coarse fabric in the pictures. A Pre-Miller’s daughter baby might make better sense.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
katmtan @Betsypaige24 I got there late and so far it was: Josh, Ginny, Lana, JMo, and Colin. In the morning I heard Bex was there
Ack, still waiting for Emilie to be filming,……….haven’t heard a peep from her in weeks (as far as filming goes), lol
Rumple tempted Regina, but she did have free will and choice. She did have Tinkerbell offering her support, plus others who wanted to offer her help but she chose differently. .
I should stress that this is not part of my argument, what I’m arguing for is life conspiring against her when it need not have and her own weaknesses exacerbate her situation. The tragedy of her circumstances is not solely that she is a victim poor decisions but those decisions are born of cruel fate since life is nothing but the sum of responses to that which we call fate.
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Fate has been cruel to almost ALL of the characters, yet few reach her level of evil acts. I’m not sure what you are trying to say that “life need not have conspired against her!” Not true there’d be no story in that! I guess you’re concentrating on the set of choices she gets, and I’m looking at what she actually picked, because I note her set of choices wasn’t so limited as to be no choice at all.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Fate has been cruel to almost ALL of the characters, yet few reach her level of evil acts. I’m not sure what you are trying to say that “life need not have conspired against her!” Not true there’d be no story in that! I guess you’re concentrating on the set of choices she gets, and I’m looking at what she actually picked, because I note her set of choices wasn’t so limited as to be no choice at all.
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Fate is cruel to the characters yes, but in Regina’s case Rumple had her manipulated to be so evil that she would be able to accomplish the curse to satisfy his desire and knowing the weaknesses of her character he naturally preyed on those. And since Regina’s faith and trust in others had been broken after the events of Stable Boy and the Doctor its only natural that she made the choices she did and would see them largely as Hobson choices. Now if there was another child born to Cora who was supposed to cast the curse but was hidden from Rumple’s knowledge and Rumple knew only of Regina then as I’ve stated previously he would only be seeing what could be and not what was to be. Most of the stories in Greek mythology have fate conspiring against all the characters hero and villain alike its complex but yet the pathos draws us in as does Regina’s pathos precisely because her fate has turned out as it has and not as it may have turned out otherwise.
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