Why does Gold want Emma to believe?

[cooldudette]

Okay so according to “The Return”, Mr. Gold lost Bae in a moment of weakness to the other world. He wanted to find him and be reunited so he got/created this “curse” and manipulated the EQ to enact it so that everyone would go to the other world.

Now that he is in the other world, has Mr. Gold searched for Bae?
He clearly has not found him yet because he believed August to be Bae first.
So shouldn’t he be looking for Bae??

The curse will probably be broken if Emma believes but why is Mr. Gold interested in achieving that?
If he has located Bae, I can understand that he would want to go back to FTL so he has his magic and his son…or maybe he would want to stay with Bae in this world as Bae wanted him to.

Either ways, what is the point of Emma believing in the FTL book? What does he gain by that?
Is it Regina’s destruction? But it doesn’t fit in with his scheme of things??

[Josephine]

I haven’t seen it mentioned here too many times, but it’s been theorized I think the producers have confirmed it and a link is in the Blue Fairy thread that Gold didn’t have any memories of his former life until he heard Emma’s name in the pilot, acting as a failsafe. It was a trigger to bring back all of his memories. If this is the case then he needed Emma to come to Storybrooke to get the ball rolling. The only catch is how did he know specifically to procure Henry for Regina’s adoption?

It’s also been discussed that this is the “curse to end all curses” and Gold wants the power done with completely. I think he hates that he broke his promise to Bae. Just think about how he admitted it to Regina, with bitterness at himself in his voice. He wants to atone and make good with Bae, his father back with no magical powers. That was the point of the whole curse.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[Phee]

Mr Gold believes that his son is out there in our world somewhere, but he can’t leave Storybrooke to go find him and be reunited with him. Once the curse is broken though, he’d be able to, so I think that’s why he needs Emma to believe.

[edchambers]

Here’s one theory: Suppose Bae is NOT in the Storybrooke world? Perhaps he was sent to ANOTHER land “without magic”. Gold may want the curse broken so he can get to another world to find Bae. Just a speculative theory.

Keeper of Snow White's Glass Coffin.

[magpiepixie]

Here is my two cents: I find that the name “EMMA” is Gold’s failsafe word and that he only now is beginning to remember it all. Because he had 28 years to beat the crap out of Moe, why now? I think that the Blue Fairy/Mother Superior is the one who retained her memories on the crossover because she is older than time itself and would have more magical power to help her counter the effects of the curse. The BF is the key… The BF is the one who realized that EMMA is on her own because PC and SW are in SB. Therefore, the BF is EMMAs fairy godmother; she kept an eye out on her as best as she could with her limitations of not being able to leave SB. I bet that she is the one that knew about Emma’s pregnacy and suggested it to Gold that this child would be a great edition to SB. The BF has her own failsafe in Henry now. Thereby, with Henry in SB, the BF creates the BOOK and presents it to MM with the suggestion that Henry could benefit from it. Now we have a way to pull EMMA back to SB and the curse to become the SAVIOR she was meant to become. LOVE THAT BLUE FAIRY! Just my two cents. Enjoy.

[Slurpeez]

cooldudette wrote:Either ways, what is the point of Emma believing in the FTL book? What does he gain by that? Is it Regina’s destruction? But it doesn’t fit in with his scheme of things??

Rumpel/Mr. Gold has plenty of reasons to desire Regina’s ultimate destruction. It was hinted in episode 18 that Regina’s mother, Cora, is the miller’s daughter from the original Rumpelstiltskin fairy-tale. If that’s true, then presumably Regina is the baby that got away. The miller’s daughter was able to keep her child by guessing Rumpel’s name. So, perhaps Rumpel is taking his revenge on Cora out on her daughter, Regina. Also, Rumpel/Mr. Gold thinks that Regina is to blame for Belle’s supposed death in FTL. He doesn’t realize that Belle is still alive in SB, and when he finds out Belle is being kept in a mental ward, Mr. Gold is going to have serious rage against Regina. So, Mr. Gold has plenty of reason to hate Regina if he thinks she is responsible for Belle dying.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[Phee]

@magpiepixie wrote:

Here is my two cents: I find that the name “EMMA” is Gold’s failsafe word and that he only now is beginning to remember it all. Because he had 28 years to beat the crap out of Moe, why now? I think that the Blue Fairy/Mother Superior is the one who retained her memories on the crossover because she is older than time itself and would have more magical power to help her counter the effects of the curse. The BF is the key… The BF is the one who realized that EMMA is on her own because PC and SW are in SB. Therefore, the BF is EMMAs fairy godmother; she kept an eye out on her as best as she could with her limitations of not being able to leave SB. I bet that she is the one that knew about Emma’s pregnacy and suggested it to Gold that this child would be a great edition to SB. The BF has her own failsafe in Henry now. Thereby, with Henry in SB, the BF creates the BOOK and presents it to MM with the suggestion that Henry could benefit from it. Now we have a way to pull EMMA back to SB and the curse to become the SAVIOR she was meant to become. LOVE THAT BLUE FAIRY! Just my two cents. Enjoy.

Ya know, the one sticking point I had with Mr Gold possibly not always remembering was how he managed to procure THAT particular child for Regina. But your explanation that Mother Superior had a word in his ear about it clears up that problem perfectly! It’d even make sense for Mr Gold to go to the nuns to enquire if there were any orphan babies around, because the mayor wanted one. Did Mother Superior somehow talk Regina into wanting a child in the first place, knowing she’d be able to bring Emma’s child to town? That could explain why Regina waited for 18 years before getting Henry, perhaps the idea just hadn’t occured to her before the lovely Mother Superior suggested it. I’m developing all sorts of new respect for BF right now, so I hope this ends up being true!

BTW, if that meeting in Granny’s B&B when he heard “Emma” was indeed when all his memories came flooding back, imagine the happy dance he did as soon as he got home. Boyfriend woulda been beside himself. LOL

[hjbau]

I just don’t think that Rumpel cares about Regina. I don’t think that he cares at all if Regina is the child that he lost and i am not convinced that story will play out exactly the same way anyways in the show. It seems like whatever Cora did was a deal most likely with Rumpel and that she paid a heavy price for that deal and that she gained her magic power through it. I mean we know that Cora is not a queen, so we know the story is different in that way at least. I just think with Rumpel usually his deals are trades like a direct trade one for another and it is always a bad deal, but i don’t know if the whole i am going to take your baby unless you guess my name thing is going to play out exactly the same way.

[ms. pixie]

@hjbau wrote:

I just don’t think that Rumpel cares about Regina. I don’t think that he cares at all if Regina is the child that he lost and i am not convinced that story will play out exactly the same way anyways in the show. It seems like whatever Cora did was a deal most likely with Rumpel and that she paid a heavy price for that deal and that she gained her magic power through it. I mean we know that Cora is not a queen, so we know the story is different in that way at least. I just think with Rumpel usually his deals are trades like a direct trade one for another and it is always a bad deal, but i don’t know if the whole i am going to take your baby unless you guess my name thing is going to play out exactly the same way.

I agree with that. We always see only parts of the original stories we know, or the stories re-adapted, etc. We’ve seen relations between Rumple and names – when he summons the Dark One, when he asks for Emma’s name. And we’ve seen him making deals and weaving gold, we heard from the mills daughter, etc. So my bet is that they already deconstructed Rumple’s story, so we won’t see it as a whole, the way it’s usually told.

[Slurpeez]

Season 2 is supposed to feature a multi-arch story of Cora, the miller's daughter from the original Rumpel story, so I think we'll see that back-story next season and more interaction between those characters.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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