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October 24, 2016 at 4:53 am #329149
rikucrafter
ParticipantThroughout the weeks, Adam and Eddy have insisted that Wonderland remains canon to Once Upon a Time, and after this week, I just can’t believe them anymore.
I fail to see any way that Jafar’s time as vizier of Wonderland fits into what already has been established about his backstory. When the topic of the Sultan came up, Adam was quick to say that we would see how the Sultan could be both Jasmine’s father as well as a different Sultan being Jafar’s father at the same time. Yet, it seems that Jasmine has been a princess her entire life, as well as her family having been in power for what is seemingly generations. It also seems that a Jafar who was so relentless in his goals in Wonderland would not have taken the time to have power in Agrabah as the Vizier.
I may be on an entirely wrong path of thinking, but does anyone else agree that this seems to just be at the point of ridiculousness? Should I give up hope of Wonderland ever being acknowledged?
Coupled with their stance on Will and Ana, I think they should just magic a way into explaining an alternative timeline or something (I wouldn’t put a handwave explanation past them.)
[adrotate group="5"]October 24, 2016 at 8:21 am #329156RumplesGirl
KeymasterShould I give up hope of Wonderland ever being acknowledged?
Yes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 24, 2016 at 8:23 am #329157RumplesGirl
KeymasterI get where you’re coming from. I don’t think a lot of this fits with how Jafar was depicted back in WL. The only wiggle room they have is that we only saw small portions of Jafar’s life so there are big gaps; they’ve chosen to fill those big gaps with this story but I agree that Jafar dropping everything to go be a Vizier in the capital of Agrabah doesn’t match the Jafar who was relentless in his pursuits of his revenge.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 24, 2016 at 4:20 pm #329198MatthewPaul
ModeratorI think in a way, Adam does mean what he says about Wonderland remaining canon. However, I continue to get the impression that they would rather not connect to Wonderland too directly. Maybe their mindset is that because plenty of viewers never watched Wonderland, that they should keep the Wonderland callbacks to a minimum. Granted, we did get Will Scarlet in Season 4, but that was also 2 Seasons ago, and he has long since been forgotten. We did get Dr. Lydgate in last week’s episode, but he was brought on in a way that didn’t require referencing Wonderland. His appearance was more of an Easter egg for Wonderland fans, and perhaps a way to help indicate that Jekyll and Hyde were from Fictional Victorian England. I suspect the whole “Capital of Agrabah” thing was there specifically for Wonderland fans. Adam and Eddy foresaw that they would have fans calling them out otherwise. With Anastasia, it was conveniently never flat out stated that she was Cinderella’s stepsister, which unfortunately gave them some wiggle room. Not so much with Jafar and Agrabah. Though, I am surprised that they didn’t simply decide to pull an Ursula and split Jafar into two separate characters. Then they wouldn’t have to acknowledge Wonderland at all, and it would allow them more creative freedom with the character.
What Adam and Eddy are struggling with is coming up with a happy medium that satisfies both types of viewers. It’s a problem when the majority of Wonderland fans continue to feel like the show is largely being ignored, and therefore struggle to make sense of why it’s still considered canon in the process. I get that not everybody watched Wonderland, but I still think they could connect the two shows a lot better than they’re currently doing. For example, had Jafar briefly commented that he needed to control Agrabah to aid his search for “the genie”, that would have been enough to make sense of his motives. I still hope that we’ll get more Agrabah flashbacks this Season that could help shed some more light.
October 24, 2016 at 4:51 pm #329206kranen
ParticipantIt’s probably best if I don’t become involved in this…
October 24, 2016 at 5:05 pm #329208Gaultheria
ParticipantMore than one London, more than one Agrabah.
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October 24, 2016 at 5:30 pm #329210TheWatcher
ParticipantThis probably only bothered me but….
Are they just going to ignore the fact that Aladdin snapped Amara in half? Like… if Gaston is turned into a rose and cutting his stem kills him, shoukdnt Amara have been dead? And its not like the two snake staffs look the same so was this before wonderland and before Jafar turned Amara into his staff?
It really bothered me.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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ModeratorMore than one London, more than one Agrabah.
Nope. Adam explained that it’s one Agrabah, but it’s one large region split into different cities. Jasmine’s father rules the capital, while Jafar’s father ruled a different city in Agrabah. That’s why the caption said “Capital of Agrabah”.
October 24, 2016 at 5:49 pm #329214Gaultheria
ParticipantNope. Adam explained that it’s one Agrabah, but it’s one large region split into different cities. Jasmine’s father rules the capital, while Jafar’s father ruled a different city in Agrabah. That’s why the caption said “Capital of Agrabah”.
I was thinking of realms as parallel dimensions. OUAT already has its own version of DC’s multiverse, with at least one fictional London alongside the real one, so the framework is already there if they want to explain the two Jafars that way.
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October 24, 2016 at 5:53 pm #329215MatthewPaul
ModeratorI was thinking of realms as parallel dimensions. OUAT already has its own version of DC’s multiverse, with at least one fictional London alongside the real one, so the framework is already there if they want to explain the two Jafars that way.
Adam and Eddy continue to insist that it’s the same Jafar, for whatever reason.
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