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Ok, so this has been on my chest for a while, and I personally don’t agree with this decision. I don’t think this should really be a thing for Emma, and if it is, it should be something that only last for a few seconds or minutes because of the simple fact of who she is and who they have said she is supposed to be since the pilot, and also the many rules that have been set up in this universe.
She supposed to be the savior of their world, purveyor of light and a product of true love, that’s her identity, that’s who she is and it’s quite clear that she stands strong and firm in who she is and what’s she supposed to be doing. She’s quite clear and accepting of her destiny, to bring back the happy endings.
Even though she allowed the darkness to overtake her, I don’t believe it should really stick because it was a sacrifice. It was an act of true love and they have shown that true love can come in many forms, not just in a romantic aspect, but in siblings (Elsa and Anna/Ingrid, Helga and Girda), parents and children (Emma and Henry/Regina and Henry) so why can’t it be in friends. It’s clear that Regina and Emma do value each other and respect each other to the point that they do acknowledge that they are friends and Emma even admitted that she wanted to be her friend back in 4×05 Breaking Glass, and it love is the most powerful magic in all the realms, powerful enough to break any curse, then this curse shall break immediately because Emma’s sacrifice is an act of true love AND she IS true love incarnate.
Also, the Dark One power has been established that it’s no more than an elaborate curse. 1×12 Skin Deep when Belle and Rumple first kissed, it was a kiss of true love and the power over him began to weaken. It didn’t break because it’s quite strong, but also there was a desire for him to have and keep the power.
With all of these curses and go over to the “dark side”, there’s always a desire for these characters to come under these curses. With the Sleeping Curse, Snow, Aurora, Henry and David all had to be WILLING to go under, not that they wanted to go under, but there had to be a willingness to go under, and the same for Regina before Zelena stopped her in 3×13 Witch Hunt. And I know that Emma was willing to go under this curse, but it was to save her friend whom she truly loved, not to be the Dark One.
With Rumple, he was willing to go under and accepting of the power the Dark One curse came with. In 1×08, he was more willing to have power, to no longer be deemed the village coward, hobble foot, but to be feared, to have power and be the man he wanted to be more than he wanted to save Baelfire from the Ogre Wars, which of course he did, but the power was what he wanted more, which we saw later in 1×19, The Return when Bealfire went through the portal to our land and he stayed behind so he could keep his powers and not go back to the man he was, that everyone else said he was, a coward. None of that is in Emma.
Emma is not a coward and she has no need to become “more” than what she is now. She never wanted to go dark, she was never accepting of it. She did stumble, but she got back up because she realized who she is and who her parents are despite what they did. Yes, they took an innocent child from their mother, who is Maleficent, cursed her and sent her through a portal to our world, but that circumstance doesn’t define who they are, it just makes them human and shows that they make mistakes just like everyone else. That doesn’t change that they ARE heroes, gosh darnit. Also, let me stress that she is and has never wanted to go dark and honestly I don’t think she could if she even tried because of who she is. Could she willingly give up her light and choose darkness, yes. We all have choices and she has choices as well, and if she wanted to go the dark route and willingly give up her mantle, then yes, she could be the Dark One, but who she truly is, WILL come back for her because who she is, her identity, can never be changed, can never be taken away, even if she tried and she has tasted light and if she even tried darkness, would she find it gratifying? I think not. Also remember back in 3×17, The Jolly Roger, when Regina’s teaching Emma how to use her powers, she exclaimed that there has to be another way WITHOUT going dark.
Emma has never been accepted of darkness and everything it brings and for her to become the Dark One for an extended period of time would break so much canon and continuity of the show and instead of adding on these new rules that are kind of off and don’t really make sense, then just stick to the fundamentals that have been set up since the Pilot and thereafter. If this thing lasts for more than one episode, it would be because they have thrown out the fundamental rules that have been established since the first episode just so they can have a gimmick, which isn’t needed, just tell the story, tell a compelling story instead of bringing in characters and story arcs that ultimately have nothing to do with the story you’re trying to tell. Well, I’m off my soapbox. I hope everyone’s having a great summer and can’t wait for what’s ahead and what they do with this. Have a a good one, Oncers.
[adrotate group="5"]I personally don’t think that this is a good idea. I think they have taken the motives of Zelena and pushed them over the edge. If she is indeed pregnant, I see history repeating itself. This child was not conceived out of “love”, but out of spite, anger, jealousy toward a woman, who happens to be her sister, who had nothing to do with what happened to her. Regina had nothing to do with Cora’s selfishness and abandonment toward Zelena and I understand the envy that Zelena had toward seeing her mother go and and have another child and “do what she couldn’t do” for her, which was ultimately be queen and all of things Regina never wanted, but was forced into against her will. If Zelena would just grow up and act her age and not her shoe size, she wouldn’t try to destroy Regina’s happiness and this child is going to have so much grief hanging over it’s head because mommy wants revenge over auntie for something that grandma did or didn’t do for mommy and daddy doesn’t want to be with mommy because mommy pretended to be someone else and so on and so forth. Though this child didn’t ask to be born, it’s still there and I see Zelena being irresponsible and abandoning the child, leaving it for Robin and Regina to take care of and Regina picking up the slack because she’s mature and not a petty, insecure woman. This storyline has crossed over into the realm, so-to-speak of daytime talk shows/soap operas and needs to be left alone where it belongs.
Ok, I just looked up the clip of Cora telling the laws of magic to And she mentioned three, so the fourth one IS only applied to the Genies. Well, darn. I feel crunchy and sad. R.I.P. Marian.
To Ana and she mentioned three. Sorry for the typo. 🙂
Ok, I just looked up the clip of Cora telling the laws of magic to And she mentioned three, so the fourth one IS only applied to the Genies. Well, darn. I feel crunchy and sad. R.I.P. Marian.
Oh, and with the Emma/Cruella incident, it was the physical fall that killed her, not the magic itself. The pavement that broke her fall and the impact is what killed her, and other accounts, Regina in 3X06, snapped a guard’s neck, a physical, plausible affliction but it was executed by magic and Rumple has done the same. Any other time they killed was the heart-crush combo, if you will. Oh, in 1×19, Rumple turned the random gentleman into a snail, but physically crushed him afterward for the whole village to see. Any time they used magic to kill someone, it caused a physical affliction, a plausible physical affliction, it was never just dissolving someone in thin air or turning them into a pillar of ash, which is what Jafar did in 1×02 of Wonderland, Trust Me. There was always a physical response that anyone could afflict that caused their victims’ demise. Remember back in season one, Snow got Dark Fairy Dust and used it against the trolls and one was physically crushed under Charming’s boot, but of course in 3×22, Regina does this instead. She used magic to transform them, but caused a physical affliction that anyone could do. With Ingrid and Helga, that was forgiven because it caused a somewhat plausible response to Helga’s body because we could die from frostbite or hypothermia. I think my biggest issue with this was that Zelena just waved her hand and she dissolved which is not something anyone could just do, otherwise Snow would have been dissolved ages ago, and the same for Hook with Rumple.
Also, Zelena had ZERO magic when Rumple stabbed her in that jail cell. In 3×20 Kansas, Glinda gave her that Pendant and told her if it is removed she loses her powers and is rendered powerless, essentially. Later, we saw Regina remove it and she was rendered powerless. There is no way her life-force could have left unless she had something on her that could make that possible of if someone else who was watching unbeknownst to both of them who caused her life-force to leave her body and return to her pendant. If that wasn’t the case, then why set up this plot of her being powerless from that point forward if her pendant is removed? There’s no way all of this could have taken place with her leaving her body, returning to her pendant, and opening the portal unless there was someone else involved with her being able to do so, which could greater explain this confusing reveal. I do like that she’s back, but I do hope there’s more of an explanation for her return because I’m confused a little bit lol.
Sidney used the Agrabah vipers to kill Leopold. He didn’t use magic itself. And every time someone used magic to kill, it wasn’t the magic itself. Recently with Emma, she force-pushed her off the cliff and yes the one who wield magic have killed, but it wasn’t with magic itself. You always saw them using some type of brute force. Yes, it took magic to rip someone’s heart out, but it was their own hand that crushed the heart, which can be done by anyone, magical or not.
Also, there are four laws of magic that they have brought up numerous times:
You can’t kill.
You can’t bring someone back from the dead.
You can’t change the past
You can’t make someone fall in love you with.
These laws applied to everyone, not just genies. If that were the case, then why would Jafar and Ana be so determined to break the laws of magic in order to get what they wanted, and why would Cora even waste her breath iterating the laws of magic to Ana if they all didn’t apply to them. They applied, ALL of them because if they didn’t, then Jafar would have just killed his father in cold blood, but he used magic in order to do so. I wonder if he’s alive since that was nothing more than a curse and Ana died again once the laws were set back in place…hmm…
I mentioned this in another post, but I don’t think Marian’s dead because they did ONE thing that is against the laws of magic. They killed her with magic and you can’t kill with magic and they really need to clean that up and stop doing that because they also did this in Wonderland in the episode, Trust Me where Jafar turns Ana’s subjects into piles of ash with the wave of his hand, and for the plot to be to break the laws of magic really aggravated me because of the fact that the laws were broken in the second episode because of shoddy writing. Also, I like Marian and I like the conflict of she being there, but I don’t think her story’s over because of the simple fact that she actually faked her own death. If you remember back in season three, Robin mentioned that she died on one of his jobs, but when Emma and Hook went back in time, we clearly saw that she died (or was supposed to die) by the hand of Regina/Evil Queen, so she ain’t so innocent as we think. There’s still a story to be told there and I really want that story to be told because it could be earth shattering if they allow it to be instead of just continually adding unanswered questions. Let’s focus on the questions that have come about since season one until now and answer them instead of adding new things that are completely irrelevant and are making the whole series, plot and universe even more confusing than it is. Sorry for the tangent, but it had to be said, or typed, whatever lol. I’m glad to see Zelena/Rebecca Mader because she’s an excellent talent, but this was just a mess and a half. Let’s clean this up, folks.
Ok, so the episode was ok, but I think it’s disgusting to try and add some morality to theivery. I know that Robin’s story is that he steals from the rich and gives to the poor, but they are constantly pushing that he lives by a code and he lives by honor, but it doesn’t justify his actions and it by no means deserves a morality monologue which is extremely off-putting and weird. Also, I don’t think this is something that should be taught to impressionable young minds. It’s ok to steal if it’s for a good cause, if it’s for someone who’s in need? Are you serious? It’s disgusting and ridiculous and it’s making it cool to be this way. As long as you live by a code of honor then it’s ok to steal as long as you give to those in need. That’s backwards thinking and he’s being such a crooked, double-minded person, unstable in all of his ways. He’s not a hero and he’s not honorable. He’s a thief and he’s disgustingly aggravating with his “code”. C’mon, seriously, let’s look at this for what is is and not what they’re trying to spin it as because it’s quite confusing and his ending monologue proves how confusing it is.
Also, these people need a HUGE list, in BIG, BOLD LETTERS of the rules of magic because if they did, they would know and remember on a constant that YOU CAN’T KILL WITH MAGIC, which is what they did with Marian. Zelena waved her and and homegirl vaporized. Seriously? Also, it was cheap. Zelena’s so big, bad and wicked she has to take someone one when’s they’re knocked out? C’mon! I don’t think Marian’s dead. I think she’s living in another form just as Zelena was but inside that six-leaf clover, which was as Jeremy may put it, “Squid Ink”. This explanation of Zelena’s return was nothing but and elaborate squid ink job, but I do like Rebecca Mader and she’s a great talent. Maybe they can show her up later next season or something and show her that Marian isn’t dead. Always trying to override the laws of magic, aren’t we, Green Mean Sis?
Ok, so everyone is agreeing that Emma going dark is essentially fueled by her angry/bitterness/unforgiveness toward her parents for what they did to Maleficent and Lily, and I also agree that she is acting like a petulant child, but I think we also have to look at it from this perspective-Emma grew up not knowing who she was or where she came from and then her son whom she gave up at 18 came to find her and bring her to Storybrooke to break a curse and bring back all of the Happy Endings because she was the savior of their land or world. Her identity has been anchored in her parents, Prince Charming and Snow White, who are valiant heroes of their world and protectors of their Kingdom and they became her saving grace and she put so much faith in them even when they were living as their cursed selves and the fact that they are who they are has shaped her identity and how she currently sees herself and for this to come up has shaken everything that she thought was true and good in her eyes, and though they made a mistake and they were and are obviously remorseful of cursing Lily, I don’t think it’s enough for Emma to go dark because they are still who they say they are, they were just living in fear and allowed that fear to drive who they were instead of being anchored in who they are, the valiant heroes. Also, because of this, Emma has had her identity so defined by who she came from that now she’s so shaken and has forgotten who she is, which is why this darkness is taken over. I think it has to do more with how she sees herself than how she sees her parents at this point because there’s no justifiable explanation for her to continue to treat them they way she is when she knows who they are. I think the fact that they did curse Lily and they are who they say they are has shaken her and makes her look at herself as, “If they did that to an innocent life, regardless on how they could turn out, what more could I do since I came from them and I DO have this power and I AM the offspring of the greatest heroes from our world. I’m sure this was a lot, but I think her tailspin has A LOT more to do with how she sees herself rather than how she sees Charming and Snow.
