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What were the biggest surprises for you? What episode/s are you most disappointed to see go?
I am not surprised per say but I am disappointed that some of these episodes are gone
The Outsider, Lacey, and The Bear and the Bow because they are all Rumbelle episodes
Her Handsome Hero because it is a Rumbelle episode and it was a pivotal episode in their relationship development even if we took one step forward and then 20 steps back
The Apprentice because I loved Anna and Rumple’s dynamics I thought it was funny and really well done
Darkness at the Edge Town, Nimue, Strange Case, Heartless, and Black Fairy where just pretty good episodes
Why do you think the episodes in the Top 10 and Bottom 20 were the episodes they were?
There were definitely some good episodes in the bottom 20 this time but not good enough to make it to the end. They were episodes that developed characters and were entertaining but not ones that we would say WOW!!!! that was a pivotal episode.
The top 10 eliminated The Miller’s Daughter which I was shocked with and added a Song in Your Heart and why I am not surprised by this because it was the musical I am disappointed as I felt it was a waste of an episode at the end of the basic series where we should have been tying up loose ends instead, I mean lets face it we left a lot of loose ends that could have used the 44 minutes devoted to a musical that really did nothing to move the plot along.
What predictions do you have for the next round’s results?
I think we will have a different top 10 in some respects as we get fewer and fewer episodes.
[adrotate group="5"]What were the biggest surprises for you? What wasn’t surprising?
Biggest Surprise: Dreamcatcher. I thought that was actually a pretty solid episode and I thought for sure someone would have voted for it.
Not Surprising: For the most part the top 10
What episode are you most disappointed to see go?
Dreamcatcher and Family Business (just because it is somewhat a Belle episode)
Why do you think the episodes in the Top 10 and Bottom 20 were the episodes they were?
The top 10 where all written by Adam and Eddy or Jane Espenson except for the Crocodile and Hat Trick which were both written by David Goodman. So as much as we like to complain that A and E can’t write a good show they sure know how to write good episodes especially early on. Jane is no surprise at all. The only one I thought for sure would be in the top 10 and wasn’t is Desperate Souls
Bottom 20: Were basically filler episodes or kinda of slow and boring
Will knowing these results change how you vote in the next round?
Nope not at all
I actually still think we might get an alternate universe of these characters. So the flashbacks would be how that alternate universe came to our world, how these characters are different, the parallels between these characters and the ones we know, and what their motivations are. I can see Rumple still getting Regina or maybe Lucy’s mom to enact the dark curse to bring them here maybe because he knows that in this universe he has a family and wants to take over that life (parallel to finding Bae, maybe he does not even realize that Neal is not alive in this universe. Now how this would work or if we would find it interesting, I don’t know. I just don’t see A and E deliberately messing with the ending of Season 6 because they are scared that they would upset fans. If they did this the returning characters would still have to be very similar to the ones we know, but they could be interacting with different characters in different ways. Maybe Henry does not know he has a child because in this reality he does not but the Alternate Reality Henry does. I know probably not correct.
Just voted, that was fun. I agree with Rumples Girl Skin Deep will be the most voted for. I actually voted for at least one episode for each season which surprised me, I guess every season had at least one really good episode at least for me.
I could care less right now if it is a slim to no chance I am going to think positive and be happy about even the possibility of him coming back. That would be AWESOME!!!!!! He has so much story left to tell. I mean how they could make this work is beyond me, but this is OUAT so who knows.
Am I the only one who couldn’t stand Alice? I really just didn’t like the casting. Although the story mostly involved Alice and Cyrus and their love story, I thought Ana and Will’s story was way more compelling.
Nope I felt the same way, I loved Ana and Will’s story and tolerated Alice and Cyrus’s story which was kind of flat. Hearing you talk about it makes me want to watch it again, maybe that is what I will do over the summer. I loved Jafar’s story and was thoroughly dissapointed in what OUAT time did with him this season. They made a complex villain who was truly powerful into a weak easily defeated side note.
I was going to respond but it really is no use. We are not going to see things the same way. The only thing I am going to say is this
So, returning to Milah’s choices…to make herself less miserable, I can only see two options for her: 1) Running away 2) Suicide
I guess she chose to run away which means by the way that she had the power and control to change her life. Still does not make her a good mom.
Parents are most definitely responsible for their child’s well being, but I wouldn’t say they are exclusively responsible. Parents are humans functioning in a particular environment, and that environment will affect their level of performance. This is where society, government and culture come into play.
Again I am talking from a Western point of view but I disagree. Does your environment play in this role? Yes but ultimately it is the parents responsibility to be the best parent they can be. That does not mean they are perfect it means that they stick around, try hard, and use the tools that they have to give their child the best life they can.
I mean, you can have the expectation, but it will be unrealistic and most people will fall short. So, either you pass judgement on all of these people as bad parents, or you work on improving the environment to help parents and children alike.
Here again I am not disagreeing we are just looking at this from two different points. You are looking at in from a societal point of view and I am looking at in from an individual point of view. You are looking at it from a person on the outside looking in and I am looking at it from someone in the inside looking out.
nsulting to underprivileged people who are in similar situations to Milah. I can’t help but suspect that Milah gets so little sympathy because her problems are a result of poverty which the vast majority of the audience don’t seem to relate to very well. This is why there is a gulf (and also double standard) in the judgments that are applied to Milah versus those applied to other characters.
You probably should not make this assumption as you don’t know me. Maybe I am looking at this from someone who grew up in poverty and fought their way out. Maybe I am looking at this from the point of view of someone who understands the struggles and the biases of small town living being in one of “those families” Maybe I understand all too well Milah’s situation and therefore I don’t agree with her scooting out on her child and giving up. Maybe I see her as someone who should have stopped wining about her situation and tried to make the best of it, because in life you are dealt the hand you are dealt with and you do have to play that hand whether you want to or not. It is wonderful that there are people out their who try to understand what it is like living like this, but they want to be sympathetic when what most people need is problem solving solutions and the idea that they actually do have some type of control and power over their own life even if that is only to make their children’s lives better than their own. Milah failed at this because she wasn’t present to try. That is ultimately my problem with her.
This is not how depression works. Telling an individual that “you won’t feel better by throwing away your old life for a new one” might work on a robot, but not a human. Depression simply does not respond to that sort of logic.
As I said before I am not sure she is depressed at least not in the clinical terms. I think she has a hard life and may not like her life, but like I said before she might just be miserable because she does not like the situation she is in. I am quoting the DSM V here: Responses to a significant loss (e.g., bereavement, financial ruin, losses from a natural disaster, a serious medical illness or disability) may include the feelings of intense sadness, rumination about the loss, insomnia, poor appetite, and weight loss noted in Criterion A, which may resemble a depressive episode. Although such symptoms may be understandable or considered appropriate to the loss, the presence of a major depressive episode in addition to the normal response to a significant loss should also be carefully considered.
Now let’s get back to the Milah/Rumple/Bae situation. First of all, I notice that you’re very hard on Milah for verbally abusing Rumple, but you have not said one critical word about Rumple’s desertion, which was a big deal and had a significant adverse impact on Milah. I’m all for holding people accountable, but that should apply to everyone. Why are you not more critical of Rumple? This is a Rumple/Milah thread after all. What he did affected not only Milah, but Bae too. Bae got branded as the son of a coward. Their whole family became outcasts. It probably impacted their already limited financial situation.
You are right so if I look at the difference and you have to understand that I have a lot more information about Rumple’s life than I do Milah’s which is going to make my argument a little bias. Rumple deserted the army. Did this have a negative effect on Milah and Bae? Yes. But let’s look at his options: He could stay and leave his son fatherless or he could desert and go home a coward. He chose what he felt was the best option for his son. You see that is the difference Rumple’s decision was based on not leaving his son fatherless. He was not thinking of himself (no matter how the show Retconed this in season 5) he was thinking of his son and how important it was for him not to leave his son without a father. Now when he let Bae fall through the portal that was all on Rumple. It was a clear decision of him thinking about himself rather than his son. It was selfish and self centered and it most certainly was not a move of a good parent. So like I said before do a “demonize him for this” No and why is because in the show we saw him spend the next couple hundred of years trying to fix his mistake.
Hey Rumple! Life happens and you have play with the hand your dealt with whether you like it or not. I am sure you are not happy that Milah made the choice that she did, but she did and you can’t change that now. You need to deal with the situation you are in and not make it any worse.”
That Sounds Good. This is completely true and I have absolutely no problem with it. If you can’t change it you need to accept it, If you can change it you need to try to do so. Don’t get me wrong everyone in life needs a shoulder to cry on now and then, they need a sounding board, someone to vent to, someone to just listen. They also need to not wallow in their problems if they have the means to try and make them better, now I am not talking about major depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, or any other psychological disorder which requires intense therapy. I am talking about problems in our lives that we have power over and can change. Even if Milah does not think she has any power in this situation, she does. She is in control of being the best mom to Bae and working hard so his life can be better than hers, she is in control of how she treats her husband in front of the people he tries to sell his cloth to so they can’t see their abuse reinforced by his wife, she is in control of her decisions to not drink and instead of take care of her child. Victor Frnakl has a outstanding book called “Man’s Search for Meaning” about the meaning of life under extreme circumstances that talks about this, finding the meaning of life under the most miserable conditions and understanding that we do have power even when we don’t think we do.
