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You are conveniently forgetting all the horrible things Rumple has done and only listing all the bad things Hook has done. To say that Rumple is only defensive is insane. I don;t have the will power to list all the things he has done on this show. Hook saved Henry and saved Belle and Rumple this season. No props for that?
No, I completely understand all the horrible things Rumple has done. I am not saying he has not, what I am saying is that between Rumple and Hook I don’t believe Rumple owes Hook an apology but I do believe Hook owes one to Rumple. I did take the time to list some of the things Hook has done directly to hurt Rumple. You still have not given me any examples of when Hook has apologized to anyone other than Belle for his past bullying behaviors. I will be happy to do this again, because I do find it fun, give me an example of when you feel Rumple was on the offense and i will try and debate it back to you. I don’t remember Hook saving Rumple, I do remember him saving Belle and Henry but have already acknowledged the Belle and Henry does not count as he is the son of his romantic partner.
o say that’s completely Hook’s fault is ridiculous. And then to say that justifies Rumple behavior of cutting off Hook’s hand and then killing Milah when he realized she loved Hook and not him…..I mean come on.
Not saying its COMPLETELY Hook’s fault but it is partially his fault, he did make a decision to interfere in someone else’s marriage where a child was involved and then made a point to bully the husband and make him feel powerless and cowardly. These are all Hook’s decisions which he should apologize for. As for killing Milah Rumple needs to apologize to Milah for that and not Hook. Also he did not kill Milah because she loved Hook, he killed her because she left Bae to be with Hook and then after at least 10 years did not even bother to ask about her son. Still not okay, and I am not justifying that behavior it was awful just pointing out the facts.
[adrotate group="5"]Isn’t there some kind of unwritten rule whereby if you steal someone’s wife/husband/partner who is also the parent of their child, you should avoid gloating about it or rubbing it in their face? You know, have the politeness to do it discreetly and with minimum showing off? Certainly you don’t imply that the disabled husband’s lack of virility led the wife to prefer gang rape by sailors to raising his son. Yeah, no. Hook can take a running jump on that one, I don’t think Rumple owes him a thing. To Milah, yes for killing her x2. To Hook? Pfft.
Thank You, that was much better said and exactly what I meant
I was talking about labeling SF fans as people who value intelligence and labeling CS fans as people who value looks. You implied this and that’s not fair nor is it accurate.
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The quote that I referred to was between CS and Rumbelle fans. I did not imply anything of the sort I simply said that I prefer intelligence over looks and would assume that most rumbelle fans do also. Any other assumptions were not mine.
Grudge. This was years ago. Do you hold Regina’s past against her? She slaughtered a village. And don’t say Regina has changed but Hook hasn’t. The fact that he has changed is now canon (Charming has said it multiple times now) and if you don’t recognize this, you have a grudge that you aren’t letting go.
I don’t hold Regina’s past against her because she has had a legitimate and well written redemption arc. Hook has not. He does something wrong and everyone just forgets about it or just automatically forgives him. This is a pattern with the writing and I happen to not like it. I don’t care what Charming has to say about Hook changing, if I as an audience viewer don’t see it, then I don’t see it.
Rewatch the last two seasons. He has change and apologized to many people
name them and what he said, I can only think of Belle but as I am not a huge Hook fan there could be more, maybe I am wrong.
Let me finish by saying Rumple is one of my favorite characters on the show. But Hook deserves just as much an apology from Rumple as Rumple deserves from Hook. After all, Rumple did kill Milah (whom Hook loved) right in front of him and then chopped off his hand. He’s the reason he is Hook. It’s a two way street. And again, Hook has apologized to plenty of people and has been on this path of redemption for two seasons now.
Rumple has done a lot of horrible things as the dark one especially killing Milah but should he apologize to Hook for this, I don’t know. You are going to hate my reasoning but here it is. Hook should have never loved Milah in the first place, she was a wife and MOTHER who abandoned her family and never asked about them again. Hook got his hand chopped off because Milah and Hook thought it would be a good idea to try and play with the dark one. She should have just given him the bean instead of throwing it to Hook. I have absolutely no sympathy for Hook here. He made Rumple feel powerless and cowardly all so that he and Milah could sail away from her responsibilities as a wife and mother. This goes back to a much earlier debate we had about Rumple and Belle and Rumple being either offensive or defensive. I still ascertain that Rumple is a defensive player and it can be seen here also. Rumple went after Hook because he stole his wife and more importantly his son’s mother (don’t hurt my child by taking away his mom and I won’t come after you) Hook then decided to take revenge and did all of the following to Rumple: left Bae in Neverland knowing that Rumple was looking for him, physically hurt Belle and was going to kill her until Regina stepped in, Stole Bae’s shaw so Rumple could not leave Storybrooke to find his son, Tried to hurt Belle in the Library, Shoved a gun in Belle’s face on the ship, shot Belle at the town line, stabbed Rumple in New York, I could go on but I think you get my point. What did Rumple due in return, he decided not to kill Hook on the ship, decided not to kill Hook in the hospital, and again decided not to kill Hook on the way to Neverland.
Well I am not a CS fan. And I’m not a SF fan. I am an Emma fan and I’m a fan of whomever she feels she loves. So this is not correct as I also have many other friends who watch the show and feel the same way. And as far as making excuses, I could say the same about SF fans. Both sides do it.
Well then I guess you don’t fit into what I am saying. I am not talking about Emma fans I am talking about CS fans and I believe I made that very clear.
You are labeling and I hate labels. It is possible that fans find CS more compelling simply bc they enjoy the characters and not necessarily that Hook is a handsome bad boy. It is possible, I know. I find Hook compelling. There I said it.
What is wrong with demographic labels? I think it helps us understand the audience and why they may prefer something over another. If you are a certain age then you are a certain age, if you look for intelligence over looks then that is what you look for. I am basically saying that I would be interested in looking at the demographic markers for each character or ship and seeing what if anything they have in common.
However, while you can say that Rumple isn’t as good looking Hook, he’s not ugly as Mr. Gold. And you also can’t say that Hook is dumb. It’s not as black and white as you are portraying it. Hook isn’t dumb and Rumple isn’t ugly.
actually I think Rumple is much better looking than Hook, to each their own. I am not looking at this in black and white I am simply saying that maybe just maybe demographics might play into it. If you don’t buy that Okay.
And even if that was true, all the bullies that clearly bullied you back in the day, are they not redeemable?
Wow talk about making assumptions, first you are assuming that I must have been a victim of bullying becasue I am so empathetic with them. So let me tell you I wasn’t. I am a school counselor who has to deal with this kind of persona at times and I hate it. That does not mean I hate the bully or feel that they can not change, it means that while I don’t dislike them as a person I most certainly dislike their actions. And yes I do see Rumple as a victim of bullies all his life which most certainly included Hook.
And where does this come from exactly? Sure, he was drunken pirate before
Oh I don’t know how about when he made a crippled and powerless Rumple try and duel him on his ship. How about when he shoved a homeless beggar (disguised Rumple) to the ground because he thought it was funny. This is exactly what I was saying non CS shipper, you can’t even see that he was a bully who bullied Rumple?
personally know someone in high school who was a horrible bully. Now, he’s turned everything around. Apologized to everyone, and is a genuinely nice guy.
Well I guess when Hook apologizes to Rumple we will see, I see Hook as someone who has apologized to only Belle for his past behaviors (and as I have said before I think part of this is him sticking it to Rumple). Has he apologized to anyone else? Maybe if we saw Hook actually trying to make amends for all his bad deeds then okay, but also like I have said before his bad deeds get swept under the rug with no real redemption. I mean lets’ face it it was only last season that he tried to kill the whole town and told Rumple that he would have given Milah back “dirty”
And I can’t help but think that if Emma was still with Neal, you wouldn’t still feel this harsh about Hook. And I hate to bring that up on here, but you make it so easy with this hate about a character who has been good for over two seasons.
I am not going to say that I was not a SF fan because I definitely preferred that ship to CS but it is not as has never been my main character ship. So to answer this statement you are wrong I am being harsh to Hook becasue I don’t think they have tried to redeem him as they should. He has not apologized to anyone other than Belle. You can’t base your entire character redemption off of only this paltry relationship which by the way also hurts Rumple which is part of the reason I feel he has befriended Belle. When Hook apologizes to Rumple, Regina, and even Snow then we will see until then yes I think he is still a bully who given the chance would bully those weaker than him. As for him being good for the last two seasons? Was he not the dark one is season 5 and was he not horrible.
Yup, that. And I don’t want to make it all superficial but is it because CS is *that* much more compelling than Rumbelle. I’d say no. So what’s the major difference? Is it just that Colin is traditionally young, handsome, former bad boy?
Do I think CS is compelling. Heck NO! I find them almost nauseating, OK completely nauseating. I think you have two fans of OUAT, Captain Swan fans and everyone else. I think everyone else sees their relationship as dysfunctional and boring while CS fans see it as romantic. I think the CS fans are very loud and tend to make excuses for their characters. They tend not to analyze or accept character flaws while everyone else sees and accepts that their favorite characters are flawed.
Yes, I think it is because Colin is a traditionally young and handsome. I hate it when I hear someone say and I have heard it SO many times, Ah but he is so cute and look at those eyes. I think his character is also your traditional bad boy persona. I mean he is a young, handsome pirate.
Now as a Rumbelle fan there has always been kickbacks because of the age difference between Belle and Rumple and the fact that Rumple is not your traditional male figure especially before becoming the dark one. He is small, weak, powerless, and has done some not so brave things in his past. He is therefore set up to be a non traditional male partner for Belle and some of the audience is not going to buy into the non traditional male figure.
I also believe it is due to the demographics of the fans. I would love to see a survey on the typical CS fan, I would guess they are typically part of the younger audience (15-25) while Rumbelle fans are your 25-50. I am not sure and would love to see the demographic breakdown. I am unsure of the education breakdown either but I personally value intelligence over attractiveness and I would assume most Rumbelle fans are the same.
Me personally the reason I love Rumple is also the reason I hate Hook. I see Hook as a bully, a typical high school jerk who goes around picking on special needs kids not because he does not like himself but because they are weaker than he is and therefore don’t measure up to his standards. I see Rumple as a victim of these bullies who just wants to live his life and not be messed with. This is why Rumple is so in love with power now. It is easy to say power is not important if you have never truly lived without it, but try being truly powerless and it is easy to see how addicting it can be when you finally have it.
Y’know it just dawned on me…wasn’t Moe supposed to be in this episode? Looks like we got a cut Belle/Moe scene or a cut Rumbelle/Moe scene.
Well that figures, heaven forbid we should concentrate on any other character development than Hook and Emma’s non development or regression of development or whatever we want to call her now
Emma: “Well you see Neil, our parents felt I needed the best chance going into the final battle, and they felt I could only do that with my true love, your brother-in-law Hook, next to me. And rather than trust in their and my abilities, or feel that you needed them more… When faced with a choice between me having them next to me / figuring out a way to find Hook later / raising you, OR me having Hook next to me / them going into a permanent cursed-sleep from which they could never be awoken / abandoning you. Well, they picked the latter. They felt guilty. Oh, not about you, about abandoning me. The first time around that is. Mom didn’t even seem conflicted about it. Didn’t mention you at all. I only remember you the next day when Cinderella called and said that mom and dad forgot to pick you up from day-care *again*. So, yep, they picked me and Hook, over themselves and you. Our parents were such heroes.
Oh Yeah Neal let me not forget that I could have chosen to ignore my mom’s plan and used the pixie dust to wake up mom and dad but I thought well I haven’t seen Hook in like two whole days and I must see him now or I just won’t survive so I decided to use the dust to get him back instead of waking up mom and dad. I am such a wonderful daughter and loving sister.
I would say horrendous. I certainly hope that my kids would pick saving my life over picking up their boyfriend from wherever. I mean i was literally yelling at my TV, pick your parents and I actually thought she would. But nope she goes after Hook and says sorry guys you will have to stay asleep forever.
Yes you had Snow putting her child first which there are problems with but i understand. What I don’t understand is why Emma went along with the idea. Snow was sleeping, Emma could have and should have used the flower on her parents and woke them up but instead she sacrifices her parents lives to go after Hook.
