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I’m anxious to learn more about Belle’s Storybrooke persona. What is her name? What’s her personality like? Is she really crazy? Does she remember Fairytale land? Ugh! The finale cannot get here fast enough!
[adrotate group="5"]@charming wrote:
He only became the Dark One to save his boy. He deserted the Ogre Wars like anyone one who was drafted to any war would. Who wants to be forced to go to war? He is evil but nevertheless because of his need to save his boy he felt aquiring power was the only way to do it. He was tricked by Zoso, the former Dark One to take his life and his place. He takes first borns because first borns go to war. Going on that theory if he takes all of FTL’s first borns no one will go to war for the ones seeking the first borns but go to Rumple and strike a deal for them.
Exactly. I won’t pretend to know what being sent to war as a child feels like, but I’m pretty sure that it’s a terrifying experience. So, Rumpel running away from it doesn’t upset me one bit. And Zoso was clearly setting him up throughout the entire episode. The only thing Rumpel is guilty of is being a fool. A fool for placing his faith and trust in a stranger.
@hjbau wrote:
I just don’t understand how Desperate Souls and Skin Deep counteract his evil. In Desperate Souls he burns down the count’s castle, kills the dark one, kills like five soldier guys, and pretty much makes his son afraid of him. In Skin Deep Rumpel kills Gaston because he is rude to him, takes Belle captive in exchange for saving her town from death by ogre, then when Bell tries to help him he freaks out, swears at her, grabs her, throws her in a dungeon and locks her up, and then throws her out of the castle. I guess at least he was upset about it after he treated Belle that way.
Oh and i forgot in the real world, he kidnapped Belle’s father and then nearly beat him to death with a cane.
Well, let’s look at some of these acts.
1. Rumpel killing Gaston- I don’t know if you remember, but when Gaston arrived at Rumpel’s castle, he was pointing his sword at Rumpel and made it quite clear that he there to kill him. You don’t point a sword at someone if you don’t mean to kill them. So, Rumpel killing Gaston is actually self defense. Gaston came looking for a fight, and he got one.
2. Rumpel killing the Dark One- First of all, HE’S THE DARK ONE!!! Killing the Dark One is like killing the Devil. I’m sorry, but I don’t see any wrong in that. 😆 And of course, Rumpel’s whole reasoning for seeking out the Dark One was so that he fcould orce him to summit under his command, not kill him. The Dark One made it quite clear that he wanted Rumpel to stab him. He was taunting Rumpel so that he would put him out of his misery.
3. Rumpel taking Belle prisoner- Once again, I don’t know if you remember, but Belle agreed to the exchange and offered herself up.
4. Mr. Gold beating Moe French- You’d beat a man to death too if you thought he tortured and drove the woman you loved into insanity and ultimately suicide. Oh yeah, and did I mention she was his daughter? Of course this was all a lie (gotta love Regina), but this is what Rumpel truly believed.
There are 2 sides to everything. Not everything is so black and white.
I think Mr. Gold will ask Emma to either help him rescue Belle or find his son Baelfire.
And I agree Midnight Dreary, Belle’s not going anywhere anytime soon. So, no worries. 😀
I don’t hate David, but I do find him kind of bland. Which sucks because everyone else on the show is so interesting. Rumpel, Regina, Snow, Emma, August. Everyone else seems to be incredibly complex and interesting except David. Even Prince Charming can be a bit nausiating.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
In episode 1×20, “The Stranger,” we will finally learn the true identity of August W. Booth. From all accounts, it would seem that he is indeed Pinocchio. Especially given the fact that the episode will feature Pinocchio’s background story. But what if it’s a red herring? What if the Pinocchio story is really a story within a story? What if Pinocchio’s story is blended with the story of the Wizard of Oz? Here’s my evidence for why August is indeed the Wizard of Oz.
-For one, August arrived during a storm. This was the first clue that made me think of. The storm in “True North” made me think of he infamous tornado in the Wizard of Oz. The Wizard himself even said that he arrived in Oz in a hot air balloon via a storm.
-August wears several curious pieces of jewelry, including: a metal bracelet, a gold chain bearing a golden claw or tooth-shaped pendant, and a silver cross-like object hanging from a longer silver chain. The metal bracelate could represent the Tin Man, the golden claw or tooth could be the Cowardly Lion, and the silver cross could represent the Scarecrow.
-As mentioned by others before, August is sporting a license plate on the back of his motorcycle that bears the name “Kansas.” This could also be a clue to him being connected to either Dorothy or Oz.
-When August told Emma in episode 1×18, “The Stable Boy,” that he was not a liar, that also could have been a clue to him being Oz. Most people interpreted this line as evidence that he is in fact Pinocchio, because we all know that Pinocchio’s main theme was lying. However, to a certain extent, so was Oz’s. When Dorothy and her friends finally meet the great and power Wizard of Oz, it is revealed that he is not in fact a wizard or some omniscient being, but a man. Just a man. He lied. He lied to his people by telling them that he was a powerful wizard. He even went so far as to hide his true face by using, literally, smoke and mirrors.
-Pinocchio’s desire is to be a real boy. But in the Once Upon a Time universe, who would be able to grant that wish? Rumpelstiltskin? Sure, but he’s always in the middle of every fairytale, so maybe the writers use someone different. The Evil Queen? Hmm, maybe. But why would she help a poor man and his wooden puppet? Maybe Oz was the one who turned him into a real boy. Oz has already shown himself to be someone who can give non-humans beings human attributes. He gave the Scarecrow a diploma, to symbolize his brain. He gave the Tin Man a token heart-shaped clock, to represent his large heart. And he gave the Cowardly Lion a medal to represent his resurfacing courage. So, what if our writers take these symbols as literal human attributes? What if the writers present Oz as someone who can literally turn the non-human into an actual human?
-In episode 1×17, “Hat Trick,” we were introduced to the Mad Hatter and his magic hat. Inside this hat are numerous different worlds. One of which we already know as Wonderland. However, there were several different doors to several different worlds. One of the doors that caught my attention was the green door. This door is probably Oz. Green to symbolize the Emerald City and in fact, Oz himself. The introduction of this magic hat was not an accident. The writers want us to remember this hat and its numerous doors for a reason. We’ll probably revisit these doors in future episodes in the forms of Oz, or possibly even Neverland. So, the writers are probably preparing us to see what’s behind these doors in the near future.
-In the promo for episode 1×19. “The Return,” August is seen challenging Mr. Gold by pointing the dagger of the Dark One at him. This could be interpretted as two powerful sorcerers battling off to see who is the most powerful. Rumpelstiltskin is the Oz of his realm. He is the most powerful being in Fairytale land. Maybe August wants to undo all the evil Rumpel ahs done.
-And finally, why would the writers have us wait all season to learn who the infamous stranger is only to find out that he’s Pinocchio? That would be ridiculously anti-climactic. Making us wait all season for Oz? Yes! Or making us wait for Peter Pan? Sure! But for Pinocchio? Uh…no.
I am flabbergasted right now!!! 😮 😮 😮 It never even occurred to me that August could be Oz. I actually hope it’s true. I know’s it kind of out there, but it’s better than him being Pinocchio. Pinocchio in a leather jacket? Weirdness. 😯
@weebeastie wrote:
I, for one, am eager to hear what tales Rumple will tell once he starts his therapy with Archie.
Yeah, that will be a sight to see. 😆
I think the writers have an idea why Rumpel is doing what he is doing, but i don’t think it is going to be any more interesting that what was between Snow and Regina. It is probably going to be because he thinks Bae is dead or something like that or just because he is the dark one and that is it. I haven’t found Rumpel’s backstory interesting so far because on one hand they try to say that even as the dark one he is still a guy who is in control of his choices, but then everyone says that he is the dark one and that is why he does all this evil.
Hmm. It depends on what you consider interesting. Judging by the post count in this thread alone, I’d say a lot of people find Rumpel interesting. 😆 But of course, you won’t find it intersting because you’ve made it quite clear that you don’t like Rumpel’s character, so there ya go. 😆
Ok, let’s all take it down a notch in here. It’s just a show. 😯
Personally, I don’t see pre-Dark One Rumpel as evil or bad. Flawed? Yes. But evil? Definitely not. He was in a desperate situation and needed a way out. And to be honest, his situation could easily be compared to Emma’s. Emma has a child who she loves and is concerned about, she’s fighting against someone much more powerful than her, and she hasn’t won a single battle yet. She’s desperate. That’s why she came to Mr. Gold for help. Mr. Gold even asked her if she was sure she wanted to make a deal. He reminded her that she doesn’t always like his methods. But Emma responds “but you get results.” Mr. Gold asks her again, “How far are you willing to go?” Emma ruthlessly responds, “Further.” So we have one of the “god guys” knowingly putting aside her own moral and ethical beliefs all for the life of her best friend, Mary Margaret. And she’s not even possessed by an evil power like Rumpel was.
The same goes for Mary Margaret in both Fairytale land and Storybrooke. Snow White selfishly made a deal with Rumpel to rid herself of her broken heart. A BROKEN HEART? Girlfirend, trust me, you’ll get over it. 😆 And then we see her Storybrooke counterpart Mary Margaret again make a deal with Mr. Gold to help her get out of jail. Once again, another example of desperate souls. They’re both good people, but their horrible situations make them do things and associate with people they know for a fact are corrupt or untrustworthy.
So, it’s pretty difficult for me to judge Rumpel so harshly.
