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@Emma-Bae-Henry wrote:
Oh, AntBee … I completely know how you feel. But I am not so positive at the moment. 😥
Aw, never give up hope. Maybe these will cheer you up in the mean time. 😀 I found them on Tumblr.
These guys. I swear. Plus, SwanFire and CaptainSwan shippers totally need to become friends by becoming CaptainFire shippers. I know I am right now. 😆
[adrotate group="5"]@LisaS wrote:
Ditto that speculation did make me cry as well. That would be an excellent twist and that could be Rumple’s undoing.
This makes sense too. They really haven’t had that much Rumbelle this season, so maybe they’ll try to rectify that by having this in the finale.
It really does make more sense to have it be Rumple or Regina that Henry is crying over than Neal because even though Henry loves his father and is very attached to him, I’m not sure if his “death” would have the same impact on the audience since he’s been on such a short time, and he hasn’t got to do that much yet. Not saying they wouldn’t kill him off or make people think he might be killed off, but for a season finale, I think they’d use one of their big guns like Rumple or Regina.
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I wonder what happens though? I’m now convinced that Rumple is going to sacrifice himself for Henry (which would be a major game changer for his and Bae’s relationship) but then Belle saves him with TLK (which is a total reference to the original Beauty and the Beast Disney Movie). But what happens that causes Rumple to do this? Tamara and her tazer?
If Tamara does something to harm Rumple, and/or Henry and Rumple sacrifices himself with Belle stepping into save him, while it wouldn’t automatically fix his relationship with Nealfire, this would definitely be one way they could get Neal to get over finding out Rumple killed Milah, assuming that Hook tells him this before the end of the season to get back at Rumple.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
This seems more likely and forgive me EvilRegals, but I’d be ok with that scenario. They won’t kill Regina or leave her damaged for long but letting Emma see that Henry does deeply care for the woman who is, after all, one of his mother’s, I think will go a long way in helping to mend bridges.
Yes, to me this actually makes more sense, and it’s not the SwanFire shipper in me wanting this. Really at this point, there’s not much they can do to start to redeem Regina again so soon outside of her dying or getting seriously injured especially in the Charmings’ eyes. I know they can’t go directly against her right now because of her power and because Henry doesn’t want them to, but ever since she joined up with Cora, it seems reasonable that the Charmings might eventually reach a point where they’ll have to get rid of her unless something big happens like perhaps her coming close to dying especially if she steps in to protect one of them. (I still think it would be a cop out since I think it would take years and years for her to ever truly make amends, but on this show, it makes sense.)
I think Rumple will have to suffer the consequences of using so much magic, but I can’t see them killing off Nealfire or Belle to do that since Henry’s happy ending involves his father and Belle’s happy ending involves Rumple. Belle is an iconic Disney character as is Rumple as the Beast, so I don’t think they’ll go against them being endgame in anyway. Since Henry is the heart of the show, I’m pretty positive that he’ll have his happy ending too, so I think this is just a fake out that Neal might die.
Aw, you fooled me. I thought you were starting a prayer circle because of the pictures today. I don't think SwanFire fans need one, but it doesn't hurt to do one just in case because with this show, sometimes I have to wonder what the writers are thinking like putting August on so heavily at the end of last season only to have him show up for about 10 minutes this season.
So who's with me for a prayer circle for Nealfire?
@HeatherC1275 wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
I guess one thing is for sure August didn’t use the money Neil gave to Emma for the medicine from the Healer, so is that what Neil was living on instead?
When did MM have a chance to put on her clothes and coat when David was in the kitchen cooking did I miss something again?
So maybe Emma will go to Netherland thinking that is saver then Storybrooke huh?
If Gold sees stuff wouldn’t he now about Tamera coming and what she wants?
August was probably living off that money. We know Neal didn’t keep it so I assume August used it to get back to Phuket but didn’t have enough left over to pay the Dragon for his cure.
MM had clothes on when she was in the bed under the covers. You could see it when they panned to her while Emma & David were talking but that was a quick shot and it was more of her head than anything (you could see her wearing an outfit though).
I don’t know about the other two things but I’m all ready anxious for the show to be back and the break has barely gotten started, LOL 😆
I should be getting ready for work because of the darn snow, but I just wanted to address this money issue first. The writers have said that August took all of the money Neal wanted to give to Emma, and spending 20,000 in 10 years isn’t that unbelievable.
Anyhow, I liked most of the episode pretty well… except the taser. I found dragons and wooden men dying by taser to be ridiculous. Watched with my mother, and we both found that bizarre. Very happy that Tamara is indeed HER. I called that one way back, so feels good. Plus, it actually makes me like her more for her to have a purpose beyond an annoying relationship obstacle.
I guess I’m somewhere in the middle. If I really loved the whole episode, I don’t think the taser would have bothered me that much. Right now I’m just trying to fanwank it as being a magic taser though. 😀
I enjoyed most of it even though I think that once again they were speeding things up too quickly and there was too much heavy-handedness about how evil Tamara was, but I felt like the last 15 minutes or so were awful. I did have a few nitpicks before the last 15 minutes like about how the Dragon showed his magical self, and then just gets killed off so easily. Or how the magic beans might be ready so soon. Or why that one guy helped August, and who he was exactly. Or how Snow had every right to be upset, but no it must be because her heart has a black spot on it, that’s why she really slapped Marco. For the most part though, those didn’t bother me as much as the last 15 minutes did.
I know they’ve gave hints all season long about being able to turn back someone into when they were young, but the execution of it was horrible imo. Not only did things move too quickly, but it felt like a SNL parody and not even a good SNL parody with how they turned August back into a boy. First, there’s Henry getting the idea that maybe he can still be saved because he did something selfless, brave, and true which was really awkwardly written to me. Then, all of these characters just pop up out of nowhere just like in a SNL skit. So the Blue Fairy just happens to be around right at that very moment. (I know others see it as maybe she’s up to something, but no I think it’s just poor writing.) Then, of course Tamara pops up, but it’s okay because no one will clearly see that she’s worried about her reaction to Pinocchio being alive again, and that it’s not at all coincidental that a stranger comes into town the very day someone kills August, and that he’s trying to warn them about someone.
Finally, there’s the scene at the end with the Charmings. I know what the writers were trying to do, but it just didn’t come across that well specifically Emma and Henry. It makes sense for them to finally make up in an episode where Geppetto gets his son back, but when they don’t even show that Henry is still mad at Emma, it just doesn’t fit together.
@astrawoid wrote:
I’m not sure if Neal really loves Tamara or if she cast a spell on him, made him drink a potion, or something sinister like that. I mean she has that crazy magical creature killing taser. So is it possible for her to have found some other magic to make Neal fall in love with her?
Or does Neal genuinely love her? And did Neal only allow himself to fall for her because he thought there was no hope for him and Emma?
I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts/theories. 😀
EastOfTheSun makes a lot of good points that maybe Neal does genuinely love her even if it’s not the same kind of love that he feels for Emma.
I’m not sure what to think though right now. Well that’s not totally true because I believe that he’s under the curse of the empty-hearted. The only thing I’m not sure about is how Tamara was able to cast the spell if she’s not really magical. I’m not sure if I buy that she’s not magical though.
On one hand, she seems exactly like the kind of dangerous scientific/government outsider that Grumpy was talking about in Splash or E.T. that is evil and wants to capture the alien/magical creature for his/her own benefit so that he/she can get all the fame, glory, power, etc. However, she was able to see who Pinocchio really was and see magic turning him back into a boy, and she could obviously see the Dragon’s real form, so I’m not sure if she could have if she was non-magical or if she could as long as she believes in magic. Or it could be a plot hole that’s never answered completely. Like Greg can see Regina doing magic, but would he have been able to see August in his wooden form?
Plus, I tend to think she’s not from our world or perhaps descended from someone like the Dragon who is someone from a magical world but managed to realm jump here because I don’t know where she would get this obsession for wanting magic if she was just a normal person. I think her grandmother will turn out to be someone very important because there was so much focus about that, and it’s likely that she was Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother or perhaps related to her in some way since this would tie in with Rumple saying no one misses her. It would also give Tamara extra cause to want to really destroy Neal to get back at Rumple once she finds out Neal is Rumple’s son assuming she didn’t already find this out somewhere along the line.
Anyhow, I think Neal was acting very un-Neal like about how much he needed her that made me think that he was definitely under a curse of some kind, and I don’t think it was a coincidence that they just happened to introduce this idea of the “curse of the empty-hearted” last week even though before that they had said that making someone fall in love was something magic couldn’t do. They deliberately backtracked for a reason other than just last week’s episode since the curse was never used.
Also and I was really surprised by this, they really layed it on thick about how evil Tamara was. Before last week by following the spoilers I knew that she did have some kind of agenda, but I was definitely not expecting how evil they would already make her. Now I know why they didn’t show as many sneak peeks or tweet any new lines that weren’t from the sneak peeks because the majority of the episode was about how dark Tamara was. So if everything about her relationship with Neal is untrue based on what they showed the audience, it’s not hard for me to believe that his feelings for her aren’t real either and that she cursed him somehow.
As a SwanFire shipper, one of the few things I did love last night was about how I think they’re definitely showing that SwanFire is endgame now with the introduction of Tamara as the obstacle between Neal/Emma. (I know a lot of other shippers were upset by this because of how much hate there was about this episode especially in the SwanFire related tags on Tumblr, so it’s not just SwanFire shippers who are seeing this.) Anyhow, since I think that SwanFire is endgame along with Snowing and Rumbelle, I think the writers wanted to continue the parallels with them. So far Snowing and Rumbelle have had to or currently trying to overcome curses on them, and I think this is the writers way of doing that for SwanFire.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
If Hook isn’t on the way to SB with Tamara (which was my suspicion) how on Earth is Hook getting back to SB?
I think that he’ll still end up coming with her. I’m not exactly sure what Neal could say to warn Tamara in that type of situation, or if Hook was there how she’d react. Like did Neal say, “hey there’s a guy dressed up like a pirate in the storage room of my building. You probably shouldn’t go in there.” Or if he didn’t warn her does he ask something like, “when you were getting your stuff, did you happen to see anything unusual in there?”
I don’t understand how Tamara could find Storybrooke either unless Hook showed her where it was, and/or she’s magical. I know the Curse is partially broken, but I thought it was still hidden from outsiders. I thought Gregowen was only able to find it because Rumple crossed over the line, and then Belle got sent over the line by Hook otherwise, I don’t think that he would have been able to tell it was there since it seems like he spent many years searching for it and finally got lucky. Or it could just be a plot hole I suppose.
Granted, we’re getting these clips out of context, but I’m beginning to side with a lot of others in wondering whether Tamara has him bewitched somehow. This “I need her!” seems a little too sudden considering he tried to head off to Storybrooke without filling her in on the whole story, and how he kept telling Emma “It’s complicated” and referring to Tamara as “a friend” until Tamara showing up at the car forced his hand.
I agree with this. Neal seemed perfectly fine to leave Tamara, take her car, and only call her a friend but now he “needs” her? If Tamara is a Dark Fairy or a Dark Tinker Bell she could have used whatever power she has left to bewitch Neal.
I hope the next sneak peak we get is with her in it.Yes, I guess it’s obvious now that she has an agenda because of all the spoilers out there right now. It could be a good agenda like perhaps trying to help August and/or Greg, but the #dark heart tag doesn’t make it seem like her motives are that pure.
I don’t really know how the Curse of the Empty Hearted works beyond just getting someone else to think that he/she is in love with the person that cast it, so maybe there’s some way that Tamara can make Neal’s feelings “stronger” again if she senses that the curse is weakening. Or maybe the more contact the person under the spell has with the person who cast it has, even if it’s just over the phone, makes the curse stronger.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Um, it’s serious to Owen. This isn’t just some random lady who doesn’t respect his personal space. This is the same deranged woman who robbed him as a child of his father and then tried to harangue him into staying with her. Regina is a total creeper, and it’s no wonder he recoiled from her as she leered lustfully at him.
This.
In “Welcome to Storybrooke” and now this sneak peek, creeper is the perfect word to describe Regina. I don’t think that she would abuse a child that way, but the way that they had her becoming so obsessed over Owen despite not knowing him for very long, and then with her need to have Henry love her and be with her, it just comes across as Regina being a sexual predator. It also mirrors how disturbing it was when Cora smelled Regina’s clothes when she first came to Storybrooke. So I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Obviously ymmv, but I found it very disturbing that she’d even try to seduce Gregowen even if she wants him to leave town because she wanted to raise him at one time.
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I think Regina was coming onto Own.People are making a big deal about it, because the undertones of the scene imply a semi-incestuous intention on Regina’s part. This was the kid she wanted to adopt, and while it’s not technically incest because she isn’t related, it’s the principle of it that needs to upheld; would-be adopted parents and kids should not cross that line. Also, when you combine her actions here with how much irreparable damage Regina has caused Owen, it’s just plain disturbing and wrong to see her try and get our of her jam by charming him. She shows no remorse and makes no attempt to reveal the truth of Kurt’s fate.
This is another excellent point. It reminds me of the Woody Allen and Soon Yi situation from the early 90s. I don’t care if he wasn’t her adoptive father, or if she was legally of age whenever they started their relationship, many people, including myself, feel that it was wrong because he was a father figure in her household, and he knew her from a very young age.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Ewwwwww! I dreaded seeing Regina hitting on Owen, the boy whom she wanted to adopt as her son, and that’s exactly what she did! It just sent shivers of disgust down my spine.
I just have to get in my ewwww like everyone too. She’s is definitely a sick person. Ugh, that’s the boy you wanted to raise as a child. And I thought nothing could top the yuckiness of the idea of Regina being Rumple’s daughter, but it looks like I was wrong.
