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@TheGoldenKey wrote:

I’m thinking that Henry Sr. was originally a prince and his father would be King Xavier. Cora brokered a deal with Rumple to spin Gold and marry young Prince Henry, only to renege once Reggie was born. Rumple in return made sure Xavier/Prince Henry lost their Kingdom and handed it over to either King George or maybe even King Leopard. King George seems more likely thus it being even more just that David take his kingdom away in return.

This would also explain why Cora was so obsessed with Reggie marrying royalty because she always knew that they were royalty displaced by a rebellion and replaced by maybe King George.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Cora wanted to be a Queen, and Rumple thought he had found the perfect person to enact the curse because of how ruthless Cora may have been. They make a deal and in exchange Cora agrees to give Regina to Rumple. However, she ends up tricking him, so he retaliates by making sure Prince Henry loses the kingdom to either King George or King Leopold.

I only hope that it’s Cora that really wants to be Queen no matter the consequences, because I don’t want another sob story about how her father was the one behind pushing her into lying about being able to spin straw into gold (even though I know in the original tale that’s what happens), and then it’s all Rumple’s fault for corrupting poor innocent Cora. I don’t mind if they show that she wasn’t as bad as she is now, but they don’t need to make her as innocent as they made a young Regina because the blame game is just going to become even more tiresome.

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@A Chipped Cup wrote:

@MagicKingdomღ wrote:

Either way, someone’s going over that line. The writers didn’t set up that plot device for nothing. 😉

But that’s what has me worried. I hate when writers make characters lose their memories. It’s such a cheap plot device to defuse tension and replace it with silly drama. However, I’m going to reserve judgement until I see the actual episode. One of the characters losing their memory might add to the story, and that’s what’s most important.

Yes, I agree with both of you, but as far as Hook losing his memory, they’ll have to find some other way to do it if they go that route.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Spoilers-Kitsis-Horowitz-1058535.aspx

TV Guide: Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) and Cora were not part of the curse, so can they leave Storybrooke? Would magic still work for Cora outside of Storybrooke?
Kitsis: Obviously they can leave because they weren’t under the curse. As far as using magic outside the line, we’re definitely going to explore that. I would strongly suspect that magic ends at the town line.

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@TheGoldenKey wrote:

LOL AntBee! I’m envisioning it now! The hospital scene brings on a whole new meaning when thinking about a Bucket List.

Hee!!! I know since Private Practice is ending this season, and Grey’s Anatomy should probably have wrapped up while ago, and Last Resort and Park Avenue 666 didn’t even survive a half season, I wouldn’t mind seeing them spin-off Hook and Barrett, assuming he’s Peter Pan, into their own show. I would prefer a sitcom and not an hour long drama like OUaT, but as long as they both characters really snarky, I wouldn’t mind it being a drama or dramedy.

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@Gaultheria wrote:

Gold’s comment about sheepdogs makes him sound like Peter Pan. Also, it has me hoping that George will get the Shaggy D.A. treatment.

Oh, I never thought of that Disney movie, but I would love that! I’ve been waiting for any fics of Rumple with a sheepdog especially with him with Bae, but so far haven’t seen any yet. I’m so going to imagine this playing out until I get my fan fiction though. Oh god if the show actually went there though, I would just buy everyone I know a dvd of each episode and the soundtrack and all kinds of other merchandise. 😀

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@Phee wrote:

Was just posting in the promo thread before about how I’m thinking it’s Hook that gets hit by Barrett’s car, based on who we’ve seen out in the forest in snippets thus far. It’d be sorta perfect if Peter Pan’s first order of business as he came barreling into town was to smash into Hook.

lol, now he just has to be Peter Pan.

Also, I doubt they’d keep Hook in the hospital for the rest of the season or at least most of it, but I think it would be hilarious if Barrett and Hook had to share a room together for awhile without Hook knowing Barrett was really Peter Pan. I could see Barrett being all chummy with Hook and wanting to help him out against Gold, and then Barrett ends up actually getting Hook in the end. 😆

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@EIreland wrote:

This show has barely touched legal rights. And I doubt it will.

Yes, it’s highly doubtful that the adoption was legal in the first place, so I’m just going to go by show’s logic. Ideally, before Regina backslid, for Henry’s sake, I think he should have lived full time with the Charmings but been able to visit Regina whenever he wanted to. I think that Emma was trying to come to an agreement like that, but even before Cora executed her plan, Emma was already setting off Regina’s hair trigger temper, so I don’t think it would have actually worked in the long run.

We’ll see I guess after the truth comes out because they could still make it work, I think the chances are very slim right now, but it’s not impossible since they’ll probably all have to team up together to defeat Cora.

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@toomanyships wrote:

@myril wrote:

According to what Lesley Nicol tweeted it’s not Mrs. Potts. Sorry.

I wasn’t holding my breath for it to be Mrs. Potts, but it would have been fun. 🙂

I’m just excited for one of my favs from Downton Abbey to be on another favorite show of mine! And I’m excited to see what actually happened to Snow’s mother.

Yes, I am too now since it seems like Cora is connected to Snow’s mother somehow. In fact, I won’t be surprised if Cora was responsible for Snow’s mother’s death. How awful would it be though that Regina assisted in murdering Snow’s father, and that Cora killed/assisted in killing Snow’s mom. 😥

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

I wonder if Barett being able to enter Storybrooke has something to do with Rumple being able to leave Storybrooke. All magic comes with a price, what if the price is that by Rumple breaking the barrier curse, Storybrooke is no longer protected from outsiders.

Crazy theory: What if Storybrooke isn’t the only town created by the curse? There were a lot of worlds in Jefferson’s hat. Enchanted Forest, Wonderland, Neverland and Oz are the only ones we know about so far. There’s no way Storybrooke can hold all the residents of at least four worlds and remain a little town (assuming the dark curse affected the other worlds). What if there were other isolated little towns like Storybrooke trapped in time. Barett may be an outsider to Storybrooke but come from another town created by the curse. Perhaps that is where August currently is?

In Lost, season 1 focussed on one set of survivors from the plane crash then in Season 2, it was revealed that there was another set of survivors from the same plane crash living on the other side of the island. It’s not impossible that they may do that with OUAT. Focus on one town and its residents throughout season 1 then reveal that there were other towns all along. It would be a good way to introduce new characters without the “so and so was in Storybrooke all along and we never ever saw them until now”.

Yes, I wouldn’t mind them doing something like that as long as the outsiders came from other fictional worlds. I’m sure that the writers could have outsiders from our world enter Storybrooke, and I’d still enjoy it, but for now I just want to see more of the other worlds and people from those places first.

Mostly though, I’m worried about the show being able to write characters from the real world in a logical way that doesn’t lead to more problems that the writers just never address. Like with the rules of magic, aside from the set rule about not being able to bring anyone back from the dead, it seems like they just make stuff up along as they go, and then over time, little problems start to snowball. For instance, they keep saying magic works differently here, but aside from maybe one or two instances, it seems that this only applies when it’s convenient. It doesn’t bother me too much, but it is annoying because they made such a big deal about it, and it really hasn’t been an issue at all.

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I sort of like the idea of a true outsider eventually coming to Storybrooke and the town trying to decide what to do and the outsider possibly trying to blackmail the townspeople. On one hand, I think there’s a lot of potential for a great story there. On the other hand, I like the town being full of characters from other worlds and exploring that without having to worry about people from our world going into the town. I would worry that the show might possibly go in a different direction with the townspeople having to worry about the Maine and/or US government coming in and investigating them or outsiders coming in trying to get magic to use for their own gain, and the townspeople having to suppress their other world identities again instead of being from both worlds when they’re in public.

I really want them to explore the other magical lands that were seen in Jefferson’s hats first because what got me invested in the show in the first place was the idea of fairy tale characters being trapped in our world. I wasn’t interested in seeing how outsiders would react with them or vice versa, I just wanted to explore their lives more, and while they’ve done that with some of the characters, for me there’s still a lot that can be done with the characters from magical worlds first without adding real world outsiders to the mix just yet. If the show goes on that long, then towards the end of its run, I think that a story line about Storybrooke residents vs. outsiders could definitely work because by that time, we’ll hopefully get to see most if not all the worlds that were behind the doors in Jefferson’s hats, and meet at least one character from those worlds, and then I could see it being about whether or not people want to return to their old worlds knowing that they probably won’t ever see the other characters again or stay in this world even if it means suppressing their other world identity. Or some other story line where it’s all of the magical world people vs. outsiders.

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

I don’t know about Barrett being just an ordinary person. Whoever he is, I don’t think we’ll be finding out until next season. I’m leaning towards Peter Pan (although I’ve said a million times that I’m still hoping Nealfire turns out to be Peter).

This makes sense to me too because they may want to keep his true identity a secret so that they can reveal it next year like with Dr. Whale’s identity. We already know that they’re going to reveal the contents of August’s box, Cora’s life when she was younger, and what happened to Rumple’s son, so they need new mysteries that won’t be revealed until next season.

I like the idea of Barrett being a Sandman type of character only because I think it would be fitting to wherever the writers are going with these story lines about the conscious and unconscious realms. However, Barrett being Peter Pan is my second favorite Barrett theory because Ethan Embry looks so much like what I picture an adult Peter Pan to look like. Also, if they don’t kill/banish Hook by next season, I could see Barrett clashing with Hook. (Although I really don’t know how that’s going to work unless someone zaps Hook with a memory charm, and he forgets all about his vendetta against Rumple because there’s no way that both can live in Storybrooke together.)

AntBee: I haven’t be able to find anything confirming Neal having nightmares besides the fact that he has a dream catcher which many people do even without nightmares, and also haven’t found the pic of him running away on the photos of Manhattan. Could you post a link here so I can find them. I would be very grateful.

Unfortunately, Neal having nightmares is just a theory because it seemed like he was very eager to hold onto the dream catcher after Emma told him what it does rather than just keeping it for sentimental reasons.

I know there’s pictures out there, at least of MRJ’s stunt double running and Emma running after him, but I can’t find them right now. There was this though from here, http://vancityfilming.com/vancouver-plays-new-york-for-once-upon-a-time-filming/#JrXPwzZMj3SBCzMf.99

The first scene I saw filming was of Michael Raymond-James and Jennifer Morrison running into an alley way. This was a really quick scene and they only did two takes! Something that I have never scene on a Once set before. Next up was Jennifer Morrison on her own running across a busy street and almost getting hit by a NYC Taxi cab whilst chasing Michael Raymond-James’s body double towards the alley way. The first time that Jennifer ran across the street, her double showed her how to do it with her following closely behind. Then she did it on her own. The ground underneath was incredibly wet and the sidewalk was slippery, so she had to have a couple of the crew to help her stop without falling down.

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@magic bean wrote:

@tiara_rose wrote:

I don’t trust the blue fairy too.

I’ve heard so many people say that they don’t trust her. But I’m confused as to what she has done that has made people believe that she is untrustworthy. Have I missed something? Is she secretly in allegiance with Regina or Rumple?

For me, it all started with her keeping apart Nova and Dreamy. Sure they had freewill, but it just seemed suspicious that a figure that is supposed to represent good would be so against true love. Yes, I know it’s never happened before with a dwarf, and wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for Nova being so clumsy, but viewers have been told time and time again that true love is so rare and powerful that I don’t know why a figure of good would be so opposed to two people having it and being together because of it.

I know the actress tried to give some excuse that Nova was being trained to be the eventual leader of the fairies after the Blue Fairy was gone, but I think that was just the actress trying to make up motivation for her character since there was no indication of that in the episode. In fact, it seemed like the Blue Fairy and the other fairies may have been happier if Nova was no longer around causing havoc with her clumsiness.

Then, the next major thing for me was how she withheld the truth about how many people could actually fit in the wardrobe. While I’m sure it was just a plot device like the last magic bean or the last magic tree on earth, it just seemed unbelievable that Geppetto was the only person that could craft the magic wardrobe and that he could then successfully blackmail the Blue Fairy. She should have just came right out and told the whole council the truth to make Geppetto look like an asshole instead of letting him bargain with her at all. I mean I understand why he did it, not that I forgive him for his actions, but it just makes the Blue Fairy, imo, look not only weak but deceitful that she was willing to lie by omission, which disproves her whole “fairies never lie” line which means that she could have been lying about other things.

I think it would be more interesting if she has been lying about things this whole time, but I know TheGoldenKey has stated numerous times that K&H have said that she’s not going to turn out to be “bad”. Now I think she just comes across looking dumb then since she’s been wrong about so many things.

First, she tells Rumple that there’s no way that he can ever be with his son because that was the last magic bean, and then she slips up that he could create a Curse that could reunite him. It just seemed highly odd because for someone who was a lot older and who should have been a lot wiser than the Dark One at that point, she should have been smart enough not to give any information away to Rumpelstiltskin that could have reunited with his son. Surely, she probably had the foresight to know that he might chicken out, not that I blame her, but I do blame her for letting it slip right after his son is sucked into the vortex that there might be a way to get together through a curse.

Then, in the second season, viewers find out that the wardrobe could have possibly been recharged and that there are other ways to get to our world. I know that her powers are limited, but I think for a creature that has lived a very long time, her knowledge shouldn’t be that limited. If it was possible for Rumple to get to our world through the wardrobe’s ashes without any curse and with a magical compass, then I think she should have some knowledge of that. It just makes her look either untrustworthy or dumb again, so either way if I were on the Council, I’d have problems believing the Blue Fairy because the opposite almost always seems to happen when she says something.

Like in “Child of the Moon”, if she is “good”, then it’s not her fault that King George flipped out, killed Gus-Gus, and set up Ruby all so he could make Charming look like a bad leader and steal Jefferson’s hat, but again the show makes her look really suspicious because right before he sets his plan in motion which results in Jefferson’s hat being destroyed, she’s all “Just don’t let anything happen to the hat.” I don’t even know how King George found out Charming having Jefferson’s hat. Maybe it’s possible he found out about it through town gossip after Emma and Snow were sucked into it, but it just makes her look suspicious that she’s the only one in the mine that tells Charming to protect the hat and right after that, King George takes it from him and destroys it. There was also a possibility that the ashes of the hat could have worked just like the ashes of the wardrobe did, but again the show presents her as being someone that I would think should know more about magic yet doesn’t.

Further, while this isn’t about magic, and the Dwarves, Charming, Ruby, and everyone else who knew about the diamonds is to blame for not guarding them all the time, I would have thought that at least one person would be smart enough to have a guard there at all times. Now it doesn’t mean that Rumple and/or Regina wouldn’t have knocked out that person or people anyways, but it makes everyone who knew about the diamonds look incredibly stupid including the Blue Fairy.

So at first, at least with me, I just hoped that instead of the Blue Fairy coming across as someone that’s nowhere near as smart as Rumpel or Regina, which is really disappointing since it would have made things more balanced, it was because she was secretly going to be the Big Bad the whole time. After all she did give that whole speech in “The Return” about her being on the right side which doesn’t mean good since a lot of evil leaders believe that they were/are on the right side too. I don’t think they are, which is really disappointing, because I think it would have at least made her interesting. Right now she’s just annoying to me because she’s so one dimensional. They want her to be someone that can help people, which I think would have been good had they explored more that her powers are limited compared to Rumpel’s and Regina’s powers, but instead they give her the characteristic of always being wrong in what she says, so why anyone would actually go to her for help and follow her advice, I do not know.

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