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@RumplesGirl wrote:
I really love the candle thing to save Rumple but killing Cora. It would a great story AND you could do so much with Snow as a killer and Rumple without magic, and going into the season finale with those two being so different from this season and the previous season, it would make for fantastic watching. This is now my favorite theory.
But I do think Archie’s clock is ticking.
Yes, I love the idea of Cora’s candle coming back and being what kills her. It might be too soon for that though, and I think that Archie really will die.
If it’s Archie not only did Snow go against her conscience but she would kill a “conscience”.
I could see that; although despite their claims that they’re allowed to do anything they want, I really don’t think Disney would let them have Snow accidentally kill Archie thinking that it was Cora’s heart. It would make for a great story line, but they’re both such iconic good characters that I really don’t think Disney would ever allow Snow White to kill Jiminy Cricket off even by mistake. I could see her thinking it was Cora’s heart and about to do it, but backing out of it once Charming gives her another one of his speeches, and then someone else crushes the heart mainly Rumple, Regina, or Cora and Archie really dies this time.
[adrotate group="5"]@Elle wrote:
I think this was one of the darkest episodes of the season.
It’s like we’re on the same wavelength after an episode. 😀 I totally agree though that it was really dark. I wasn’t actually expecting it to be since I thought “Manhattan” would be darker than it was, and it wasn’t that dark to me even with finding out the whole prophecy because there’s no way they’re going to kill off Henry. “The Queen Is Dead” really took me by surprise though, but I’m glad that the stakes actually do seem to matter now. For too long this season, imo, I’ve never really felt that anyone has really been in any kind of danger because they’ve been telling more than showing with Cora, and I can’t take Hook seriously as a villain. Tonight really changed things though, and for the first time, I really felt like anything could happen between now and the season finale. I only wish the writers could kick into gear throughout the whole season because last year was similar in that there were some good shows at the beginning, but then a lot of mediocre ones, until the last third of the season or got me hooked again.
First off, Regina has been getting more and more annoying. The scene where she claims that she was Queen and everyone else added the Evil to it–that was one of the dumbest things she said, and I’m glad Snow White didn’t both to feel guilty about that because she shouldn’t. Regina earned that title all on her own with her own actions.
Oh god I know. Really don’t see how they’re going to redeem Regina now either since she not only sent Anton after Charming, but more importantly she didn’t do anything to stop Johanna’s death at all, and probably would have killed her if Snow had kept the dagger. I’m sure they will redeem her though because I feel the writers are overly sympathetic to her character, but really at this point it’s ridiculous, because she’s had so many chances, but she still doesn’t get it.
First, I agree she’s earned her title all by herself. Snow wanted to be her friend and have a new mother figure in her life, but instead of blaming Cora like she should have, Regina had to focus all her hatred on a young girl. Second, she has to learn that she’s not going to earn everyone’s forgiveness and frankly maybe she shouldn’t. I really don’t see how the Storybrooke residents were being hypocritical at all. In fact, they really went out of their way in being nice to her when she should be in prison or worse for all the crimes that she’s committed.
And then her finally figuring out that Cora had planned for Snow White’s horse to go off on it’s own. I thought that was just stupid–she knows her mother. She knows what she is capable of. And yet she seems really slow to figure out what her mother has done.
Yes, that’s one reason last season I didn’t enjoy her as much as a villain to watch like I did Rumple because she seemed so dense at times not that people didn’t sometimes get the better of him, but most of the time he was ahead of everyone else. She did have little victories over some of the characters, but then she’d comment about Gold helping her and actually believing it, and I really couldn’t take her seriously as a villain because it should have been pretty obvious that Gold wasn’t helping her at all.
Rumpelstiltskin snapping at Henry was extreme–I get that he fears Henry, but the boy was obviously not at fault. This was all Captain Hook and Rumpelstiltskin’s feud.
Yes, I really didn’t like that part. It’s hard to fanwank it too because he was already nasty to Henry even before he was stabbed; although, I blame it all on him being so overwhelmed by all the new information and events that have happened in a relatively short amount of time. He’s back in the position of not having any power or control over his life, and it’s scaring the hell out of him. He really shouldn’t take it out on Henry though.
Loved the Fairytale Land story–Bailee Madison seriously does great as young Snow White. The scene with her mother, Johanna, and the ‘Blue Fairy’ were just heartbreaking.
This was the first time in a long that the show had thrown a surprised twist–Cora as the Blue Fairy was a surprise that I got as soon as she gave Snow White the candle. But it as still all the more powerful to see her.
Yes, I’m glad I wasn’t spoiled about the “Blue Fairy”. They really tore my heart out though with first Eva dying and then Johanna.
Also Ginnifer Goodwin–she was wonderful in the episode. Being patient and calm and kind–the last scene where she says she will kill Cora was cold and calm.
Yes, I can’t blame her for killing Cora either. While I don’t thinks she should do it just to have vengeance, I wouldn’t blame her for killing Cora out of self defense. Love that they gave Ginnifer Goodwin more to do than just argue with Charming over going back to the Enchanted Forest or not. I wish the writers would pair up different characters more like Regina and Snow because of the back story there instead of insisting on long stretches of characters being separated from each other or stories where the emotional impact is lost because they go too fast with the storytelling like Archie’s “death”.
The scene where Johanna died was horrible–I knew she was doomed, but the way she died shocked me. And I truly hated both Regina and Cora in that scene.
Oh I did too. Again, I really don’t think Regina should be given another chance after that; although, I know she will be.
Another plus was that there was no Greg–a huge relief
Yes, I really wish they would have saved him until next season or at least waited until maybe right before the finale before introducing him because there’s so many other things to get too that I really hate him taking away time from the other story lines. Plus, he really doesn’t fit in right now, imo.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wile E. Hook. I like it, because I don’t feel sorry for him at all anymore. I cheered so loudly when Emma smacked him down with that umbrella holder.
Yes, I don’t feel sorry for him either since he usually gets something done to him because of what he did first like him shooting Belle lead to him being hit by a car or how in this scene him pushing Emma down leads to her knocking him out with the umbrella holder. Even when it’s Cora or Cora and Regina like in “Manhattan” doing something to him, he should already know by now not to trust them, so I don’t even feel sorry for him when they get the better of him.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Sneak Peek Number 5!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvvwI0dlr10&feature=player_embeddedSo many thoughts about this clip!
Thank you for the clip, and I know so many things to think about. 0
1. Henry tries to call Mr. Gold grandpa, but gets rejected. 😕
What Phee wrote makes sense, but I was hoping when they tweeted those lines that it would be a bonding moment between Rumple and Henry. I know he liked Henry before, so I think he’s still reeling from finding everything out and trying to get Bae back to Storybrooke. I figure he’s already working on some kind of plan to get the SwanFire unit to happen eventually, but the first step is just getting Nealfire to come back with them.
2. Neal said he has more going on in NYC than Emma thought and “it’s complicated.” He’s engaged! Ahhhh!
😥
Hopefully, there’s more to it than just Tamara just being a fiancee. I mean I can’t blame Neal for moving on even though I don’t like it all since he probably figured that he and Emma would never be together again after everything that happened and since she had 11 years to move on from him.
3. Killian just dug his hook into Rumple!
4. Emma just knocked Hook unconscious with an umbrella holder.Go Emma! Also one more clip to add to the collection of Hook getting a beat down of some kind. I think instead of the name Killian Jones, they should have just called him Wile Coyote.
5. Neal knows Hook!
Go Peter Pan theory! (Crosses fingers.)
6. Neal called Mr. Gold “Papa’! 😥
Aw, but I have a feeling it will be one step forward several steps back with them for a very long time which is the way it should be, imo.
I was just going to post that Naomi after seeing it on Tumblr just now. 😀
Aw, so cute, but now I know that they’re trying to kill me by making my ovaries explode. Of course, at the same time I feel even worse for the SwanFire family because Neal and Emma would have made great parents to Henry, and they all missed out on that chance due to the Curse.
Hopefully, this won’t be too controversial, but I wonder where Regina fits it into SwanFire’s happy ending, if it’s endgame, because I’ve read a lot of endgame stories that just ignore her or have her written off somehow. Just because I can already read all the hate that a SwanFire ending plus Regina’s death ending would cause, I’d rather have an ending where they can all get along with each other, but at the same time I really want Regina to redeem herself and not have the writers do some kind of cop out where she really doesn’t and have her still get a happy ending.
@LaurieAnne wrote:
This touched my heart…the kindly Mr. Gold talking to Emma, and Henry and Nealfire going for pizza. Pizza AND a hot dog-that kid is getting the whole NYC experience! I don’t know why this moved me so much – just that we have never seen Mr. Gold be quite so caring with anyone other than Belle before this. I also loved that Nealfire and Henry were oblivious to Gold and Emma – they were so focused on being together.
Yes, one of the reasons that I didn’t want Bae to still be a 14 year old boy when Rumple found him was not only would it be unfair for Rumple to get a do-over like that, but if it was just Bae and Belle in his world, he’d do everything in his power just to keep them locked up safe and sound where no one else could hurt them, yet he wouldn’t get that in order to be a better person, his world has to be more than just caring about Bae and Belle.
AWWW the Henry/Neal moment is SO cute!! and LOVE that Mr.Gold ships Swanfire!!
I love this too!!! I know that Rumbelle has a lot of shippers in Storybrooke with Charming, Red, and Jefferson, so it’s great that SwanFire is getting the same treatment. (I think Snow is a shipper too since she knew that Emma still had feelings for Neal and that it was better to tell him the truth about Henry.)
I want to give the character a chance, so I definitely agree with dena81 because I don’t really feel like she’s a big threat to SwanFire at all because I think they’ll be endgame as long Jennifer Morrison and MRJ stay on the show and don’t pull a David Caruso or something along those lines. They both seem like cool people, so I can’t see them leaving the show sooner than expected.
However, I do agree with Mich7 and RumplesGirl that they didn’t even need a love triangle between Neal and Emma or even love rectangle with Hook if that’s what they’re planning, and that if Tamara is only there for that purpose, then I’m not going to be too happy. I do hope that there’s something more there then just a regular love triangle, but unfortunately I have to admit that the OUaT writers have weaknesses, so even though I’m hoping there’s more to this fiancee story then there seems to be, I’m preparing myself for them just to play it straight.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
The fact that they would debate whether or not to change their game plan is what concerns me more than anything…hate it when fans and fan reactions drive the story rather than what the writers originally planned…however I applaud them for sticking with their game plan….hope they continue to do so.
Same here, and just wanted to post that to clarify that Bae being Henry’s father was not the result of fan theorists.
Yes, I’m not happy that they were debating whether or not to alter their original story because fans had already guessed it. I understand to some degree that writers have to keep fans happy like if the fas really hate a character or a story, then sometimes the writers have to write out that character sooner then expected or alter where the story was going. However, I find that most of the time that writers should stick to their original plans and not be swayed too much by fans because it ends up being a mess where no one is happy.
I think one of the reasons daytime soap operas died was because they relied too much on fan feedback, so while they would break up a “super couple”, it was always almost temporarily because the writers were too afraid of angering fans. Likewise with killing off character that never stayed dead, because fans knew that he/she would likely be back if his/her career outside of the soap didn’t go well or if there was enough fan support for bringing that character back to life. At first, it’s not too bad, but then after awhile it just confirmed that daytime soap operas are dumb to people who’ve never watched soap operas and/or hated soap operas perceived them to be. Not saying that before they got into that kind of pattern where the status quo was maintained above all else that soap operas couldn’t have ridiculous story lines, but they also could be groundbreaking tackling serious issues like abortion, racism, etc.
Anyhow, when soap operas started relying more on fan feedback to drive future story lines, ironically I think it lead to more people not getting what they wanted because fans of “super couples” would get mad that the writers resorted to adding drama by always wanting to break up those couples usually with love triangles, and those that weren’t fans of those couplings would get mad that the other party would usually end up looking like the bad person and knew that it was futile to want to cheer for that person and the other half of the super couple to get together.
Or in the case of people coming back from the dead taken to a real extreme, when Days of Our Lives had a serial killer that wiped out a lot of its cast including several beloved veterans, fans were so angry that the show then did a story line where it turned out no one had actually died, they were just all on a secret island. So while fans got their beloved veterans back, the whole story line from beginning to end was just one big fail and no one was happy about the new lows the show had reached.
However, I have a feeling that if the Baelfire is Peter Pan theory becomes true, that could have been an idea resulting from fan influence, or at least something not thought of until Season 2.
It's possible, but given how badly they really wanted to get the rights for “Peter Pan”, and how very early on in the first season, K&H talked about how the identity of Henry's father probably wouldn't be revealed for several seasons, I think that they always wanted to make Nealfire into Peter Pan but weren't sure if and when they could get the rights.
I think they may have had a contingency plan in place in case they couldn't have got the rights. However, since they did get the rights after the first season during the writing of the second season, I believe that they may have moved up the date of the big Nealfire reveal.
Of course, when we see Baelfire as a young boy in the first season, he seemed too serious to me to be Peter Pan, but it wouldn't have made sense at that time given the issues that he had to deal with for him to have that kind of personality. I don't really see Neal being too much like Peter Pan given what we've seen except he can be immature and arrogant at times, but I can believe that over the course of several hundred years that his personality could change to be more Peter Pan like. Plus, I guess I should remind myself that he won't be exactly like the Peter Pan that most people know.
It's funny because I really hated the idea last summer even though I did think it was a possibility that they might go that route, but now after “Manhattan”, I actually really like the idea because I want to see MRJ's version of Peter Pan. He wowed me before with his talent on OUaT and elsewhere, but I was really wowed by him after “Manhattan”. As long as they don't try to make him too immature but have him still be full of swagger at times, I think I'll really enjoy him as Peter Pan.
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@tabsicle wrote:
Maybe Pinocchio as a boy will become a friend for Henry?
Yes, I hope so. I posted BTS pics of the actors who play both characters hanging out together.
I’m sure he’ll get a memory wipe when he gets turned back to a boy, but I can’t stop picturing little boy Pinocchio waiting until nobody’s looking and then whispering to Henry, “This one time… in Phuket…” 😯
lol, yes, his time in Phuket definitely squicks me out because I keep imagining him as either a wooden puppet or a young boy, and I really, really, really don’t want to know what he did over there because of that. (Shudder)
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
When August and Neal met in Canada and Neal gave him the car and money for Emma, it always sounded to me like August was forbidding Neal from being with Emma. When Neal says he wants to talk to August about Emma, August responds, “I hope you’re not trying to reach out.” After telling Neal that Emma got eleven months in a minimum security prison in Phoenix, August quickly adds, “and, no, I’m not going to tell you which one.” (sounds like Neal has been bugging him for info) Then August immediately adds, “She’ll get out of there, and she’ll be fine. You keep your promise and steer clear, and she can have a good life.”
Yes, I wish they would make have or make it clear in the future that apparently Emma had to do face her destiny without Neal according to the writers because they stated it after “Tallahassee” had aired.
At first, I didn’t want to believe them like how they said that Rumple had no memory of his past self until Emma said her name in the pilot, but you make several great points, BeastWhisperer, like how if Neal was still with Emma, I don’t know if he could get her to break the Curse. He could take her to Storybrooke on a whim and try to get her to believe that everything he said was true, but she’d probably would have thought he was crazy. Plus, now we know that it had to be Henry all along to help bring her there and break the Curse, and in order for that to happen, the writers and maybe some other forces that we don’t know about had to come up with a way for Emma to give up Henry so that they could both fulfill their roles in breaking the Curse.
Neal’s lines in this scene include talking about how he should be the one in prison, questioning how August’s prison plan is good, giving the car and all the money so that by helping her he can feel like he is with her, and of course telling August, “If I can’t be there for her, then you’ve got to promise me that you will be.” Not to mention asking to be notified if Emma breaks the curse and is finally free. That all reinforces the fact that August has told Neal he can’t be with Emma and made him promise to stay away.
Exactly. While I blame Neal for deciding what was best for Emma on her own instead of letting her decide her own fate, not that she would have believed him, but he definitely when about protecting her in the worst possible way, I blame August more because he told Neal he would look out for Emma, but he ran away instead.
Early in the scene Neal admits that he’s been trying unsuccessfully to lose himself since his last meeting with August and that he hopes that knowing Emma’s okay will allow him to move on. It sounds like that is something that August is encouraging so that Neal doesn’t break his promise. We don’t know yet how any of this might fit with Tamara, but it could be as simple as Neal believing that August only writing “Broken” on a postcard indicated that Emma had moved on and might not even be available after fulfilling her destiny.
At first after “Tallahassee”, I thought that the scene of him getting the postcard in “Broken” was to show that he had been waiting for the postcard because it meant that he and Emma could get back together again, but now after “Manhattan”, I see that while he still loves Emma, he figured that her happy ending didn’t include him anymore and that he just wanted to know that she had reunited with her family. I can’t really blame him because he probably figured that after sending her to prison that she wouldn’t want anything more to do with him even if he did explain the circumstances. Plus, he’s so use to people that he loved leaving him that he probably convinced himself that maybe he’s just meant to be alone.
