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@Phee wrote:

Firstly, I love this thread.
Secondly, should it be moved to the spoiler section?

It would probably be easier to read if it were in the spoiler section. 😀

@Phee wrote:

If it were the case that Gordie is our Giant and Bae is our Jack, obviously the story will play out differently to the famous fairytale, because in that story, Jack was a child and the Giant wasn't, and the Giant ended up dead. In our version, they'd be close in age, and we'll see the Giant in the present day. I guess we'd be introduced to him at the same time we meet adult Bae/Jack. Maybe they're still friends and end up coming to town together? Wouldn't that be interesting, especially if they did know August, until he ran off to explore the world and find his Pleasure Island, and now the gang will have a little reunion in SB. Or maybe we'll meet Jack and the Giant outside SB, and something will happen that will result in Jack killing him, (they said Jorge's only in 1 ep after all), and after that he'll find his way to SB. If Jack/Bae and August did know each other at one time, that'd be a way they could work August into season 2. Maybe Jack/Bae could end up in SB because he's looking for his old friend after the Giant dies.

I keep thinking back when Eion Bailey was still going to be a regular that there was going to be a love triangle between Bae, Emma, and August, and that it would be complicated because I believed that Bae and August were friends from before because of episode “The Return”. However, now that they've dropped him to recurring status, I don't think there will be a love triangle anymore at least between those three, but I agree that I think August will be worked into season 2 through Jack.

I think Emma and Henry will have more pressing things on their minds besides what happened to him, and once the truth does come out about the wardrobe, Snow and Charming will probably try to stay far away from August, Gepetto, and the Blue Fairy at least until a crisis brings them together, which I don't see happening until at the very earliest near the end of this season. True, August didn't have anything to do with what happened, but I still think it's a good reason as to why he's not around the main characters like he was last season. Rumple also has more pressing issues to deal with it seems, and I can't see Rumple trying to use August anymore now that Emma already believes. Of course, he's never interacted with Regina, and I can't see him doing that now if he wants to remain a real person. So I think he's going to have very few options as to how he appears, but with Bae likely being connected to the main cast because he's Henry's father, I could see them pairing off Bae and August together especially if they knew each other from before. They could just have him pop up sometimes when Bae needed help with something, and then pop out as needed.

As I stated before, I think that when he was still a regular, I think they were going to have a love triangle between Bae, Emma, and him, and I think along with that I believe August would have had a more prominent role again working with Emma and Henry mainly. After his status was bumped down, I think they went a different direction and bumped up the timetable for Henry's father to return. I could be totally wrong, but aside from a spoiler, that I only saw at one place about Gepetto reuniting with August, and no sign of Eion Bailey on set at all, since the actress that plays Granny tweeted that she missed him, it seems like they've totally written the character out because even recurring characters have been given more to do so far this season.

So I'm thinking that they're building things up for the big Jack reveal when Emma finally returns, and just have August be tied mainly to Jack after August plays out his big stories about becoming human again and how he ended up escaping the Curse.

@Phee wrote:

Wikipedia sez that the character was originally Candlewick in the book:
His real name is Romeo, though he is given his nickname on account of his slender, polished build.

lol, Jorge Garcia also being Candlewick could be something ironic then. Or maybe the Giant is also quite the ladies’ man.

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@Dorothy wrote:

I recently got the season 1 DVD set of OUAT, and during my rematch of The Stranger I noticed something about that one husky kid named Gordy during the flashback of the orphanage. He kinda looks like he could be a younger version of Jorge Garcia, and he’s supposed to show up in at least one episode under the nickname The Giant. I’ve been thinking that it could be possible that Gordy grows up to become The Giant, and is somehow related to the show’s version of Jack and the Beanstalk. And since August/Pinnochio decided to take Gordy’s offer to leave the orphanage with him and the others, the story may also involve August as well.

Who do you think the Jorge Garcia/The Giant will be?

Thanks for this theory, Dorothy. I never thought about it before even though I really wanted a young Baelfire to be seen in the orphanage in The Return except for the fact that I don’t want him to be 14 years older than Emma, at least not if he’s Henry’s father because then their prior relationship comes off as skeevy, imo.

Here’s a link to a picture of the young actor that played Gordy, http://www.tvrage.com/person/id-370724/Isaiah+Lehtinen. He does look like someone that could turn into “the Giant” later on. (Hopefully if the young actor finds this or one of his family members finds this, I mean that in a purely positive way of course.)

You know, that ties things together quite interestingly! Didn't realize the kid had a name. Enough people have already questioned if Baelfire and August know each other (and are working together) during season 1. Since I want Baelfire to be Jack – I kind of like the idea that the kid that tempted Pinnochio to leave Emma was also Jack's Giant – maybe whatever happened between Gordy and August/Bae bonded them???

Yes, I never knew that he had an actual name until now either!

I really do like the idea that all 3 of the characters that escaped the Curse ended up in foster care because I do think that's how Bae and Emma may have originally met, at least based on some of the snippets from The Daily Mirror and speculation about how she ended up being arrested in Phoenix, Arizona if the incident happened in Massachusetts.

I’m not sure if these are really clues are not to Gordie being the Giant, but the name Gordie means large fortification.

The name Gordie reminds me of the word gourd, which means

any of a family (Cucurbitaceae, the gourd family) of chiefly herbaceous tendril-bearing vines including the cucumber, melon, squash, and pumpkin

, which could be a reference to the beanstalk and/or how Henry’s dad loved pumpkin pie so much.

Or could be a reference to someone being thought of as crazy (out of their gourd), perhaps Gordie goes crazy later on or maybe Emma thought Henry’s father was out of his gourd depending on why she thinks to negatively of him.

Or Gordie could also be a reference to someone being gored. There was that weird bull fighter reference that August made in one of the deleted scenes. Why they picked bull fighting to use I don’t know, but maybe it’s clue to Gordie or what he becomes or what happens to him later in life.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

I think the main difference here is that there Charming thought he was married to Abigail due to the curse, and thus thought he was honoring their supposed marriage. Dr. Whale slept with MM and then didn’t really persue her. Charming might take this to be a less than honorable way to treat MM, even though Dr. Whale was cursed.

I don’t know to me it still makes Charming look like a jerk if he just beats up Dr. Whale because he finds out that Snow slept with Dr. Whale. Yes, he was “married to Kathryn” because of the Curse, but under the Curse his behavior was a lot worse, at least from what we’ve seen, then Dr. Whale’s and Mary Margaret’s behavior. They were two consenting adults who weren’t committing adultery, and Dr. Whale never lied and broke Mary Margaret’s heart, the way that David did. Now if Dr. Whale is taunting Charming or Regina taunted him earlier about it, and he’s already stressed out about everything else going on, I can probably forgive him for losing his temper. Just out of context, for me it makes him look bad unless Snow also goes out and beats down Abigail after Snow returns from wherever she is, but I don’t think that’s going to happen on the show. Really the person or rather persons that should be getting any beat downs from anyone about the Curse are Rumple and Regina for this whole mess not Dr. Whale.

Hmmmm, think I’m gonna go with the “random dressed up for Halloween” idea. Just some guy who thought it’d be funny to dress like Hook who’s rumoured to be hanging around town. Unless he’s one of Hook’s crew? Though we don’t know if there’ll be anyone other than Hook and Smee in SB. He’s certainly dressed piratey.

Yes, I’m guessing either just random towns person or worker who thought it would be funny to dress up too, or perhaps a stunt person. I think that if they were an actor someone would have identified them before just as they did the guy who is playing Smee, but so far, no one has put a name to him, so for now, I’m just going with the theory that someone is just having some fun.

Not sure what to make of this … could I have guessed correctly that Rumpel (or even someone else) found a way to resurrect people, is it just another flash-back, is he a ghost, or is it Regina’s fantasy? Holy cow!

I’m guessing just a flashback, but someone at Fan Forums mentioned a Storybrooke Stables set now. So maybe it’s a ghost or fantasy. If it’s a ghost or fantasy, I sort of want someone to be gaslighting her into thinking that person is the ghost of Daniel like Rumple or someone else that’s out for revenge just because she was gaslighting Henry.

Those hands on Mr Anders are something else, wow! I wanna say that if it was related to his FTL character, they’d have gone to great lengths to keep the pic under wraps, so the fact it’s out there on the internets makes me think that it’ll just be a Halloween costume. But maybe that’s what they want us to think, so we shouldn’t fall for it?

Yes, I think it’s just a joke otherwise he wouldn’t be able to release it. I love that he does that.

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@Phee wrote:

I just wanna third that theory. Though obviously Jorge is on the larger side, I really don’t imagine them CGI-ing him into being an actual giant. It’d be far more interesting if he’s the personification of a giant obstacle of some description for Jack.

I didn’t even think about the CGI if they made him a real Giant. 😯 Some things they do okay, but yes I would be worried that it might not come out that well if they went that route.

PS. I hope you don’t leave the forum, Lil’Red. Always like reading you posts and your beantown theory is one of the cleverest ideas I’ve read, so much so that I’ll actually be bummed if Adam and Eddy don’t take advantage of that idea.

I hope you stay too.

Even if not though, if he is intended to be Jack and the Beanstalk Jack, I don’t think it confuses matters if he’s also Bae, coz I don’t really see Emma and Bae as being the same category of character. It’s true that they’re both characters who were children and were created by the show, but for me that’s where the similarity ends. Emma was born moments before FTL ended, so logically, she couldn’t be a character in a fairytale we all know, because no more fairytales were created once FTL went *poof*.

That’s a good point that the reason we don’t know about Emma is because she came to our world right before FTL ended.

I also thought of another parallel between Emma and Bae later yesterday. First they were something entirely different in their world, but then they had to come to our world and adapt and become something else. Then, they both go back to their world, at least their world as it now is in Storybrooke, and people will probably want them to be something else if Bae is Jack. It’s already happened with Emma, and if Bae is going by a new name, I could see Rumple always calling him Bae or Baelfire, and Jack always being annoyed by it. I could also see some of the other characters calling him Bae out of spite just irritate him.

Although there’s not only that because I think while Rumple has probably imagined many different ways that Bae turned out, I think when he finally meets the real!Bae and finds out what he’s been up to, it will still come as a shock to Rumple. He’s probably expecting his son to still be similar to the last memories he had, but if Bae became Jack and Henry’s father, while I think he’ll be on the side of good, he’ll also probably be very cynical at the very least, and perhaps seem very dark. So I can see that being one issue that father and son will have to deal with when they finally reunite in that Rumple wants to see more of the young!Bae in adult!Bae and tries to get his son to be less cynical and more hopeful especially about love and family, but Bae clashing with Rumple because after being scarred for life by his father and perhaps his mother abandoning him, he’s probably afraid to get too close to people again which is another thing he would have in common with Emma.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

Honestly, I’ve been hoping since the end of the last season for Baelfire to be Jack, took a bean to Boston (his giant’s castle) and Jorge Garcia to play his ‘giant’: be it a crime leader, a bad foster parent, or combine the characters of the giant and his wife into being a sympathetic character. I’m sooo excited to see Jorge Garcia join the cast, even if it’s only for a short time!

Yes, if we’re going to find out what happened to Bae this season, assuming the Blue Fairy wasn’t lying or wrong about him going to a place without magic, then his back story must take place in the real world. So I agree with your theory that I don’t think the Giant will be a real Giant, just look like one and/or have that nickname. I would guess that he would be a crime leader too albeit depending on how they do the story, one of those crime figures that the audience still generally likes because he’s a brother figure or father figure helping bring in the scared young person into the family, but he could also be a bad foster too that helps recruit all of his kids into crime. (I guess sort of like in “Oliver”.)

I like the idea of both Emma and Baelfire standing alone and being their OWN characters to some extent – but look at the cast we now have: out of the parts announced and the cast members – it really does look like we’ll have some possible characters overlapping again.

I like that idea too since for me Emma, Bae, and Henry would be the only wholly original characters. However, I think like the producers have talked about how Emma’s back story is like the “Ugly Duckling”, it can also work that Bae is also Jack if his back story takes place in the real world. He’s not really Fairy Tale Jack as everyone knows that particular story, but he would be Jack in the sense that he was a young, naive kid that got brought to a new world full of giant everything via magical bean. Plus, since Jack is such a common name and Baelfire isn’t, he may have been rechristened Jack when he came here either because Baelfire was thought too weird by the people that found him or most likely, he was too scared at the time to tell them his real name.

Of course, it could be that Jack and Bae will be two totally different characters, but since they’ve been very mysterious now about the Jack casting call and are being very mysterious with who Michael Raymond-James is going to be, for me it fits that Bae came to Earth, most likely Boston or somewhere around Boston, changed his name or had his name changed to Jack, eventually falls into a bad crowd, where he meets Jorge Garcia’s “Giant”. Something happens that leads to Bae actually killing the “Giant” or perhaps they just have Bae doing something that ultimately leads to the “Giant’s” death, which could certainly fit with the casting call of Jack running away from his past if he murdered someone or did something that lead to the murder of someone.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

PriceofMagic wrote:As much as Charming can lash out at Dr Whale for what he did to Snow, he’s also got to deal with the fact that he did his own share of hurting, perhaps even more so than Dr Whale.

That’s a good point. Josh Dallas gave an interview over the summer in which he said PC would have to come to terms with what he did to Snow White while he was cursed as David. He also said that David is gone though, now that the curse has been broken, and the man we’re going to see in SB is PC.

Yes, I hope that Charming only hit Dr. Whale because Dr. Whale taunted him about sleeping with Snow. I’m not sure why Dr. Whale would do that, but I don’t think Charming should have hit him for having a one night stand with Snow unless there was something more going on since he slept with Abigail before part of the Curse was broken.

Maybe we will get more of Whale’s back story in this episode.

True. I’m not sure it the rumors about following last year’s character-centric pattern are true, but if it is, then Dr. Whale could equal Jiminy. Both are doctors, and both are male recurring characters.

I think angry. Look at the other people. They all look like they are about to grab Regina as well. I think that we might find out who Whale is earlier on, but not get his back story until later. You would think that people would ask him who he was right away. Though he could lie. And some of the main characters may know him especially if his story is related to one of the ones we have already seen.

Yes, I think he’s angry. I guess there could be a reason why he’s the only one threatening Regina up close though other than his character status. Some people have theorized it’s because he’s evil and that he knew Regina well enough before to feel that he could threaten her like that. I feel he could still be good but perhaps just be incredibly brave but also foolish since Regina probably still doesn’t have many powers, yet, at this point. Or perhaps he had magical powers back in Fairy Tale Land too, and feels confident enough to threaten Regina like that.

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Okay, first I thought he was Jack, then with Captain Hook and that fort picture thing, I was trying to accept that he could be Peter, but now with news about Jorge Garcia being cast as the Giant, I’m back to him being Jack.

Also, on the stalking his Tweeter front, I got this somewhat interesting news today,

Can only say it will be early. Cheers RT @emiliehballo: Can you tell us which episode of OUAT will have your first appearance? 😀

My guess would be episode 3 based on when he was cast, but I guess they could insert him into episode 1 or 2 if they wanted to do so.

Also, today he’s doing looping for a movie that he recently made,

Behind the scenes: Looping today for #RoadToPaloma

, and I’m guessing that the looping is taking place somewhere besides Canada, probably California. So he’s not filming episode five yet, but the big football game with his favorite college team University of Michigan is this Saturday, and from his previous tweets, he won’t be able to attend that game due to working on OUaT, so he must be flying back fairly soon to be in episode 5.

Finally, I’ve read rumors but nothing with a reliable source unfortunately that episode 5 could be the Jack episode. I think it makes sense given the news today of Jorge Garcia being cast as the Giant. Also, if this season is following closely to the pattern of last season at least character-centric wise, then it has to be one of the supporting characters like Jiminy or Red, but not a character like Cinderella, who won’t appear much. Based on his tweets, MR-J’s character would fit be more of a Red or Jiminy type of character at least this season, so that fits. Moreover, “That Still Small Voice” featured a lot of Henry, and if Jack is also Henry’s dad, it makes sense that episode 5 this season could be another big episode for Henry.

Of course, this is all just speculation, but right now I’m back on the Jack train.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

Does anyone know what the nine deleted scenes are? I’m searching around everywhere and it’s very frustrating because of the lack of information. So far there is:
The scene between Regina and David
The scene between Snow and Emma
The scene between Graham and Emma.

I haven’t got my copy in the mail yet, not that I had time to watch it yesterday if I had, but there’s deleted scenes now up here, http://onceuponafanuk.tumblr.com/.

Hopefully, you can watch them before ABC tells them to take them down.

From most favorite to least favorite:
1. “A Waste of Time” – Obviously, as a big fan of the Baelfire is Henry’s dad theory, this one was my favorite.

2. “The Cradle” – This was another wonderful scene for me. I only wish it had been longer.

3. “Motherly Love” – I liked this one as well. I think they should have included this one because it softened up Regina a tad more than almost every other scene where she has tried to bond with Henry except for the ending of “A Land Without Magic”.

4. “Blood Is Thicker” – This one was pretty good even though I wasn’t a big fan of “That Still Small Voice”. Although I did love to hate Jiminy’s parent in that one, but conversely that episode lessened my like for the real Jiminy.

5. “Regina’s Sheriff” – While I haven’t read the theory so far of Graham being Henry’s father even with spoilers about possible time travel this season, I’m open to the idea because I do think Emma and Graham had chemistry; although I really don’t think it would work, but with this and Lost show who knows what can and can’t happen. However, I’m glad they didn’t include this scene because it felt like they were forcing Emma and Graham to have sexual chemistry too early. Plus, I think Emma comes across as really unlikable which probably wouldn’t have worked in the pilot, imo.

6.”Don’t Let Them See You Coming” – Ugh, if I thought that they were trying to force the sexual chemistry with Emma and Graham in “Regina’s Sheriff” then this scene really takes the prize. The last two scenes make me really worried that they’ll try the same approach when Emma’s true love does appear, but I really hope not. I dislike this scene even more than “Regina’s Sheriff” because at least Emma and Graham did have chemistry, imo, even early on.

Also, I dislike it because it feels more like another very unsubtle attempt from the show to get everyone to love August/Pinocchio by trying to make him into some kind of badass, wise world traveler, who gets all the ladies with his charm, when in reality he comes off as a poseur, and for me the actor is just too wooden, no pun intended, to pull off what the show is trying to do with the character. Maybe if they hadn’t try to force him with Emma so early on when he arrived, I think the character could have worked since I didn’t mind his scenes when he was paired off with other people, but unfortunately the show had to take the opposite approach.

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Are we sure he is reoccurring?

Yes, the role is “potentially reoccurring,” according to TV line.

To me, potentially reoccurring sounds like he’ll appear heavily in this episode, maybe get some sort of comeuppance and then perhaps reappear later on in the season. Similar to how Jefferson was a main character in Hat Trick then had minimal roles in the last two episodes of the season.

I agree, and it probably depends on how much of a fan favorite the character will be if they bring him more often then they are planning to right now. (Of course, it already seems like he will be based on fan reaction now, but who knows once we actually watch the episode.)

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

Perhaps Belle goes to the library precisely because she has been locked away in a new land for nearly three decades; she has a lot of reading to catch up on and a lot to learn. She’d gain invaluable information from reading an encyclopedia and newspaper archives. I love the reference to the library from the Disney version of Beauty and the Beast. Also, I think the name “Adam” would be very fitting for Mr. Gold, since as said, it’s the Beast’s name in the cartoon version, and is the namesake of Adam Horowitz, the co-executive producer of OUaT.

That’s a wonderful idea that I hadn’t thought of. While I want Belle to continue to be a strong and compassionate character, I just feel that it would just be unlikely all things considered even on this show, if she suddenly had the idea on her own to run the library.

However, I admit when pictures first came out, first I was happy because “The Crocodile” looks to be an action-filled episode featuring Rumple, which is always a bonus for me, but then I became somewhat grumpy reading some of the reactions to it, not here but elsewhere. I felt that in some places, again not here, that Rumple was being given too much of a free pass for his past actions. I love the character and Robert Carlyle’s portrayal of him, and maybe at the end of the series if he’s really atoned for the evil deeds he’s committed, I’ll feel he has earned the right to his happy ending, but right now I’m just waiting for everyone in Storybrooke to find out who was really behind the Curse, and for Bae to find out that not only did his father create the Curse but he brought magic here to Earth.

(Of course, I can be quite contrary, so when I feel the balance has tipped too much into Rumple-hate at least in comparison to Regina’s actions, I want to defend him, at least in comparison to Regina; but they’re both evil right now and yet both have equal chances to be redeemed even though I might prefer one over another right now. 😀 )

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