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@Lil’Red wrote:

TimeSpacer, I really do like the idea of Rumple writing the book. He seems to be linked to all the stories. The scene in the Price of Gold, where he tells Cinderella ‘every story needs a memorable detail!’ keeps coming to mind, because HE was always the person to add that detail – he definitely was working as an ‘author’ in these different fairytales. Knowing that Rumple could see the future to some extent (there’s probably some limitations) could explain why he made the book prior to the curse, knowing that the savior would have a son who would need it, read it, and bring his mother to town. (Limitation possiblility: doesn’t see that his son is the father of the savior’s kid???) If Rumple made the book prior to the curse, I still wonder how it ended up at Mary Margaret’s…I’ve wondered if Rumple was behind Snow having her engagement ring in Storybrooke, so he could of planted the book with her things also.

Before I knew he didn’t regain his memories back until Emma told him her name, I thought for sure it was him. I guess it’s possible that he made it and did something to ensure that it would end up in Snow Whte’s possession before the Curse was activated like how he made her ring a locator for Charming to find Snow White, but I’m still unsure about him being psychic. It certainly seemed that way in the pilot, but details do change from that. I agree that it doesn’t quite make sense though if Bae is Henry’s father why Rumple would see Emma and Henry and not know Bae’s is the father. I think he’s just very good at predicting human behavior which makes it seem like he’s psychic.

As if the Charmings, Regina, and Rumple didn’t already have enough reason to hate each other, the feud for Henry could be pretty intense. I wonder if Baelfire would even side with his father if Henry was his son or if it would be a four way battle: Charming/Snow/Emma vs. Regina vs. Rumple vs. Baelfire…with a separate Bae vs. Emma throughout. 😈

Oh poor Henry! I would hope that Bae wouldn’t do that to his son because my head canon currently is that the few memories he has of his mom is of her fighting a lot with Rumple, and Bae always felt it was his fault that they were both miserable. So I would hope that while probably being angry at Emma for awhile for keeping the news from him, they would both be able to act like adults instead of him joining the fight for Henry too. Plus, I hope he’s a “good” character despite whatever he might have done that while probably not being too well liked by the Charmings at least at first, would join their side in the battle, especially over his father’s side and definitely over Regina’s side.

AntBee, I guess I feel like Baelfire would have put his father’s story in the book (call it bitterness or a warning to Henry about what his father is capable of since Bae (if he knows about the curse/Storybrooke) doesn’t know it’s to find him/his papa’s messed up form of apology..).

That’s a good point that to get back at his father or even to let his own son know about how his grandfather can be, you would think he would want everyone to know Rumple’s story, but I guess my thinking is that Baelfire wants to keep his story a secret more than he wants to expose his father.

Until a possible plot twist next season, I’m with you that the Blue Fairy seemed to have been ‘awaken’ in the last episode.

The Blue Fairy made a lot of sense as the author too, but at this point I think it’s sort of a cheat if we find out now that she had her memories back all along since there hasn’t really been any hints in season 1 aside from her meeting with August which I think was more of a misdirect than a reveal that she knew. (Although one of the administrators at Once Upon a Time’s Wiki disagrees with my idea because he/she swears that with close captioning on and the volume way up, Mother Superior tells August, “I can’t do anything with this body.” I still don’t believe it because surely everyone in fandom would have heard and seen this happen. Also, from the recent interview with Keegan Connor Tracy, I didn’t get any impression that the Blue Fairy knew all along. Sadly, I also didn't get the impression that the Blue Fairy has any hidden agenda either.

I do think it’d be an interesting twist if Baelfire has been working behind the scenes (like papa, like son and possible grandson) last season. Again, I’m buying that the BF didn’t have her memory so who else is aware of Rumple’s beginnings: the dagger and a son? No one who could still possibly be alive besides Bae. Really do think Bae is August’s ‘little fairy’! If Baelfire and August did meet up in their travels, trust each other to admit their from EF (or maybe fairytale characters are just drawn to their own?), then Bae could have very well have made the book with August explaining the stories (a kid hanging out in a palace had to have heard most of these tales!) August knew enough about the book to find it and add his story: how did he know about the book in the first place? Or gain the equipment for book-making?
IDK, but it'd be interesting if Henry finds a new story in his book about passing through a green vortex and landing in a world of skyscrapers. 😀

Yes, I think August knows about the book from Bae or working together with him on making it unless it’s a plot hole that they never explain which could sadly be true too.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

I just can’t see Baelfire writing the book: most of the stories included happened centuries after he left – I can’t see how he would know them. Since I believe he did land in a world without magic, the chance of a plot device intervention doesn’t seem likely either. Then again, the only options I can add to the table are the Blue Fairy or Rumple: since neither had their memories at the point of the books creation, that seems just as unlikely. The mystery of Henry’s book and Dr. Whale’s identity better deliver next season, because right now I have no idea.

That’s true I can’t quite place that in there, but maybe Baelfire had some kind of magical flashback type of thing (well not really a flashback more like a magical vision) when he came into contact with Emma and/or August.

I guess it’s possible that the Blue Fairy had her memories, but I don’t think so at this time. Plus, if Rumple isn’t in the book, I think that rules her out as the author unless she wants to keep the part about her helping send Bae to this world secret because of some kind of hidden agenda. Likewise, I guess it’s possible that the Curse simply wrote the book in order to get Henry to believe in the stories and bring Emma to town, but I don’t know how the Curse would explain August knowing how to put his own story into it. (I guess it’s plausible that he found out about the book from Henry in a cut scene because I’m also unclear how he knew about Henry’s book in the first place.) Since he had the tools in place though to add his story, I think someone must have told him ahead of time about the book’s existence.

Hang on, if whoever/whatever made the book left it for Mary Margaret to find, knowing she’d give it to Henry (who was the only person not effected by the curse in storybooke) then this thing must have also known that Henry was the Savior’s son, right? 😮

That’s what makes me think that if an actual person wrote the book and not the Curse, it was most likely Bae. How he got into Storybrooke undetected to give Mary Margaret the book, I do not know yet. Well that and basically how August came to know about the book, since I do think that Baelfire and August know each other, I’m not sure to what extent, but I believe that Baelfire shared details about his life story which August used to fool Rumple into thinking that he was Bae, because I don’t think the Blue Fairy would have intimate knowledge about Rumple’s back story. Plus, if she was the one that told August the information, it makes her seem like she was in on the whole plan to fool Rumple, which I don’t think she would be if she were a good fairy, since it would require Pinocchio to lie.

Still not convinced Rumple’s in the book, but maybe he is as his ‘imp’ character in a couple stories. Perhaps this is why Henry couldn’t place him. Even though I think Henry warned Emma not to make deals with Gold at some point (Price of Gold??), which would have been a dead give away IF Rumple’s dealings were all mentioned!, Gold is probably nicer to Henry then anyone else in Storybrooke. With what Henry knows about Gold: limp, antiques, suits, cane, Scottish, owns the town, and calls most people ‘dearies’, I can kind of see why he hasn’t figured out that THIS GUY was the imp in the jail cell.

I’m not convinced that Rumple’s story and his name are actually in Henry’s book at this time. He could just be an “imp” character like you say that way Henry wouldn’t be able to connect Mr. Gold specifically with Rumple. Just because Henry didn’t want Emma to have to owe anything to Mr. Gold, doesn’t necessarily mean that he found out later that Gold was Rumple although is doesn’t mean that he didn’t find out either, because Gold already had a bad enough reputation that could be why Henry warned Emma, and not because he knew Gold was Rumple.

Spoilering just in case,
I also wonder if a certain swaggering like Mick Jagger character has his story in Henry's book.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

I don’t know if anyone has brought this up before, but…

It’s always bothered me that Zoso didn’t have eccentric mannerisms or voice as the Dark One: he could easily be passed off as a regular guy. At first watch, I passed this off as Rumple being the Dark One for a longer period of time + guilt = a delightful amount of madness…now, I’m not so sure.
Could Rumple’s voice, behavior, etc. after Baelfire left but pre-curse all have been a ruse to keep people at bay? You’d be less likely to seek out a man with dark powers, but someone who isn’t even human, an ‘imp’, would be even more dangerous. He had centuries to cultivate this image. As the people who remembered who he had been died out, the new story of a demon, beast, imp that terrorized deals could have started. Besides, what is most likely to catch on as a story to pass on to children: this formerly sweet spinner was a coward, became the dark one, killed people, lost his son, continued being bad or an ancient being tricks people into deals/killed people. Take away his humanity, and you have a villain worthy of early oral storytelling.

I think he’d even want to get lost in the story, to have people forget about Baelfire and who he was. At the very least, less people would be bothering him and/or trying to get his dagger…

I like this theory especially if Rumple isn’t in Henry’s book. I guess we’ll find out next season. If Rumple isn’t in there and a certain other character isn’t either, I think Bae wrote the book and somehow got it to Mary Margaret. If Rumple isn’t in there, but the other character is then I go back to the theory that Rumple wrote it.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

It seems like a lot to have on your plate and then add a boyfriend and dating! 😯

Since we know he is coming at some point next season, hopefully it won’t be for awhile (looks like he won't pop up for the first few episodes). And when he does, hopefully he's good at battling, traveling through other realms, and curse breaking: those might be the only dating options for Emma next season. Still love the possible family dynamic of Rumple/Charming households being joined..

Yes, I was surprised too because she has so many issues right now that realistically they could definitely hold off until at least next season to introduce another love interest for Emma.

So here's what I'm hoping is what they do instead of another Graham/Emma type of situation that goes bad. (Not that couldn't have worked, but since I'm still sticking to the theory that Bae, or JackBae as I now think of him is Emma's true love and Henry's father, I hope that whenever he finally arrives in Storybrooke which might be near mid-season or even close to the end of the season based on spoilers that have come out so far, that they included the spoiler about Emma's love life because there's just so many issues now there that they have to work on becoming friends again this season and then it will turn into something more next season.

I think that by having an outsider arrive in Storybrooke that was untouched by the Curse like JackBae and that she presumably knew before, at least Emma can have one person to go to when she's stressed about everyone wanting her to be the Savior, or when she's upset about her situation with her parents, or maybe even being weirded out and a little depressed by so many of the Enchanted Lands people who have a one true love especially as Emma learns more about that concept.

If they're cutting back on August's role then I don't think he could fill this role as rumored. Plus, I think that by already trying to make Emma believe so hard last season that she was “The Savior”, he became just another person in Storybrooke that was relying on her save everyone. I'm hoping that JackBae is different then that in that he doesn't expect anything from Emma, and he already loved her before he even knew she was “The Savior” unlike any other potential love interest from the Enchanted Forest now that everyone has their memories back.

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Okay, since I believe Bae is the one that wrote Henry’s book, I’m going to speculate that based on filming shots so far,

Henry and the good guys will have to rescue Emma and Snow from whatever world their trapped in, my guess is Wonderland, by using the Book as a portal. I think that with magic coming to Storybrooke, it has now made the Book have magical properties because of Bae being the author behind it and Rumple introducing magic to bring Bae back or some kind of reason like that. Charming will try to use Jefferson's hat at first, but when he finds out that only the same number of people can go back through the Hat that entered it, he'll find a different way, well actually Henry will, and they'll be able to rescue Emma and Snow through using the Book somehow.

This idea just popped into my head while wondering how Charming was going to be able to bring Emma and Snow back to Storybrooke because it seems there's limitations with every method of other world travel that we've seen so far on the show. Plus, I think the Book will still have to be important beyond Henry finding out the backstory of characters from the Enchanted Forest, and the Hat has limitations on how many people can go through it, so why not make the Book magical now and be able to help Emma and Snow return to Storybrooke if nothing else can work.

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@Phee wrote:

Why would they bother hinting at those things if there wasn’t more to the story that they planned to flesh out in a later episode though? They could have made it straightforward, she could have died or left when Bae was old enough to remember it happening, and there didn’t have to be a question of paternity at all. I think they put that stuff in there for a reason, coz there’s more of that story to be told.

That’s what I think too, Phee. They did basically did the same thing with Bae’s story by having Rumple tell Belle that he lost his son in “Skin Deep”, and then we found out in “The Return” how Rumple lost Bae, and how Rumple trying to reunite with his son has driven most of the events of the show. So I think they’ll do something with Rumple’s wife too otherwise they could have just said that she died instead of making it a mystery of what happened to her too.

I like the theory about the bored housewife being Rumpel’s first wife. But I’ll be so angry at her if the story is true. I can’t stand the thought of Bae’s mother leaving him out of boredom. That poor kid just can’t catch a break.

I know! If Milha is Bae’s mom, I feel even sadder for poor Bae and his terrible life, but that could be another reason that they want to set up Milha being his mom, so that we root for him to have a happy life whenever he comes back onscreen especially for me assuming he’s Henry’s father and Emma’s true love. Plus, it seems like Emma is going to have issues with reuniting with her parents, but perhaps Bae could help her realize that she could have had it much worse that her parents actually could have abandoned her because of their own selfishness like his parents did to him, so her situation looks a lot better considering Snow and Charming were trying to protect her.

I don’t think that Milha being Bae’s mother, who ran off with Hook, would have to mean that Bae had a link to Neverland, (and by the same token I don’t think she’d have to have any link to Whale if he ended up being Peter).

True, they do like to mix everyone around. I just don’t want to get too attached to Milha being Rumple’s ex theory, but right now she’s the only female character that we know of that would fit being Milha. Of course, it’s possible that Milha could be someone entirely new that we’ve never got any hint of before.

They’ll have to have some Rumbelle stuff early on in the season. If the first few eps deal with the overall catchup of what’s going on in Storybrooke, by ep 4, they could get stuck into some Rumbelle storyline if it’s a parallel to his former life with his wife in the flashbacks.

That reminds me. I was thinking that Belle agreed to go with Rumple because she wanted to see the world and because she wanted to show that she was brave. So in one way, Belle and Milha are similar in that they both wanted to see the world, but at least on paper right now, it seems like Milha was very cowardly for leaving her son. Of course, I don’t want to paint her as a bad character yet because I don’t know how bad her life may have been like it’s possible that she was suffering from depression or something to cause her to want to run away really badly.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

Beaman, a criminal who deals in stolen antiques. This role may be recurring.

……I’m going to stick with Baelfire being Jack (since that’s how I’ve written it in my fan fic). I think Beaman is trying to be a red herring on the identity of Baelfire: as you said ‘Be-a-man’, ‘antiques’, possibly a recurring role. Beaman sounds more like the story tale alias of HOOK to me: he is a pirate (stolen antiques), we’ve seen him break into Gold’s shop already, and while Peter Pan was all “I don’t want to grow up!” wouldn’t Hook be all about growing up and ‘Being a Man!” ? It does sound like an episode focused on HOOK right now, so I’m wondering if HOOK stole Milha away – the two fell in love and tried to escape to Neverland. Something goes wrong: HOOK becomes a bitter adult chasing/trying to kill kids, Milha is transformed into Tinkerbell: having to mother little boys (what she hated back home) If Neverland time allows for no one to age from that point on, I think Milha could very well be Baelfire’s mom/Rumple’s wife (should it be ex-wife??)

Well, now that the disappointment of another brown haired actor in the right age range isn’t Bae again, I just wanted to bring up the topic of Beaman and Milha.

I totally agree though that it’s more likely that Beaman is Captain Hook because he’s all about being grown up and being a man. (OT: Right now my head canon is that Beaman’s first name is Willie just like Jamie Foxx’s character from Any Given Sunday.) I just think they’re trying to be funny because it looks somewhat like Bae, not to mention the fact that they had to have him be someone who just happens to be criminal that deals in stolen antiques.

I guess Milha could be Rumple’s wife, but since I also believe that Bae is more likely to be Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk and not Peter Pan, maybe Milha was Dr. Whale’s mom at one time since I think it’s more likely that Dr. Whale is Peter Pan, and his mom leaving him was the reason that he never wanted to grow up. Or she could still be Rumple’s ex, and Dr. Whale could still be Peter Pan.

My reasons for thinking that Dr. Whale is Peter Pan:

1. Well, we know he’s not Prince Phillip now.
2. He’s probably not Monstro since he was just joking about being Monstro.
3. Perhaps part of the reason that they made his identity such a secret was because they didn’t have permission until now to use the Peter Pan story.
4. Also, having another mysterious male character around the same age that Bae could be at if he landed on Earth, the same year that August and Emma arrives, only adds to fans’ confusion because there is some evidence that could point towards Bae being Peter Pan.
5. Being a doctor is a very grown up job, so the Curse made him the opposite of what being the Boy Who Never Grew Up.
6. Perhaps Blue Fairy is also Tinkerbell, and that’s why she comforted him at the end of season 1. Perhaps that’s the real reason she didn’t want Grumpy and Nova together because she was secretly jealous of Nova since Peter never loved her.
7. Since Captain Hook is appearing in episode 4, I think the pictures that we saw of Dr. Whale helping out the good guys, is laying the groundwork for his episode and that the Jack/Bae probably won’t be until either the mid-season cliffhanger because of how important it is to the overall mythology of the show.

Then, again if Milha was Rumple’s ex, and I could see them letting that spoiler leak out closer to the premiere of episode 4, because everyone will think that Bae is someone else again, and (bam) Dr. Whale is the one that turns out to be Peter Pan. Also, by introducing Bae’s mom in episode 4, it would lay the groundwork though for the Bae mystery to start up again since it appears that the first 4 episodes don’t have anything abut Bae in them or very little, so that by the mid-season cliffhanger, there would be ample build-up for fans for finding out who he really is. Milha being Rumple’s ex might also be a way to add angst to the Rumbelle relationship, not because he has any feelings for his ex-wife, but Rumple could become all end of “Skin Deep” angsty, and feel that he’s unworthy of anyone’s love since his first wife got bored with him and left him for another man. Maybe the whole town will find out about Rumple’s lost son and perhaps why Rumple made the Curse this way too if Milha or Beaman reveals to everyone that Rumple had a son.

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@Phee wrote:

Well aren’t they tricksy, filming them out of order and confusing us all! 😛

It certainly seems that way. 😆 It’s possible that they had to do that because of someone not being available until later, but it could possibly be to confuse fans. I think it worked because I know a lot of fans were mad at the absence of Belle in any of the “first” episode scenes.

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http://officerparker.tumblr.com/post/28078696401

Perhaps this blog will help shed light on things. It makes sense that episode 1 was actually episode 2 and vice versa based on the other spoilers that have been given, and the films that we’ve seen being shot.

So
Episode 1 = Sleeping Beauty. It looks like Regina sends Emma and Snow White off somewhere else, or they get sucked into a vortex by the end of the episode explaining their absence in episode 2.

Episode 2 = Henry trying to find out if Regina is behind Emma’s and Snow White’s disappearance, and getting caught sneaking into her house. Prince Charming being very protective of Henry and finding Jefferson. The town looking in the forest for them.

Episode 3 = Well, we know Lancelot is in this one for sure.

Episode 4 = Captain Hook, Beaman, Milha all appear.

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@hjbau wrote:

PS. Which set was the picture of Charming with the hat?

Sorry I thought Charming and Jefferson were in it for some reason. 😳

It looks like Jefferson’s hat to me though.

For some reason i don’t think the first episode is going to be sleeping beauty. I am not sure how any of that mirrors what is going on in Storyrbooke. I like your idea about the vortex sucking Snow and Emma somewhere. That is an interesting idea.

I thought the first episode was suppose to be about Sleeping Beauty from spoilers going around, but maybe the second episode is about Sleeping Beauty. The first episode is about Regina’s backstory; hence, why Ginnifer Goodwin mentioned Barbara Hershey and Bailee Madison being around. Then, the third episode is about Mulan, and the fourth about Peter Pan. I’m just speculating though, and this quote by Jennifer Morrison doesn’t make it any easier to try to guess what’s going on.

“There are some episodes that are incredibly time-demanding, and then there are episodes when I work 2 days, and then I get a little break. It really just comes down to a by-episode situation. I know that in the first episode back, I am in almost every scene, and then the second episode, I’m in four scenes. There are times where, depending on what the storyline is… there’s always going to be an element of Emma that’s a through-line, but sometimes it’ll be a lot, and sometimes be a little,” she continues.

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