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@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Betsypaige24 wrote:
I like that the 2 halves are being treated like 2 seasons, except I’m guessing that means no Rumbelle reunion until very near the end of the first half.
I’m thrilled that Belle is getting a storyline, but what does it say about Adam/Eddy that the only way they can give her one is without Gold? I feel like they do “get” how powerful and deep Rumbelle love is, but they have no interest at all in writing them……….just in writing them apart. I mean, please Eddy – their relationship faces a challenge because they’re separated? They have been separated 99% of the time since Skin Deep – what they have is not so much a relationship as it is feelings and moments.
I think the point of this separation is to develop Belle as a character in her own right, then reunite Rumbelle so that Belle can continue to be awesome with Rumple. If they suddenly had Belle being independent as a character with Rumple, it wouldn’t make sense. They have to show her growing individually first, then with Rumple both as one half of Rumbelle and as her own person. My own personal instinct is that after Rumbelle are reunited in S3, they won’t be separated again for awhile.
She was always awesome with him, though I think also that this poor woman has suffered endlessly at the hands of Gold’s enemies. Adam and Eddy created Belle, who is a an amazing and unique character in many ways) and as we all know, they adore Emilie, personally and professionally. I’m sure Belle will have a lot to do. I mean, if SB is going to continue to be the home base, then it’s important that not only is it protected, but that the citizens are cared for. Belle will have to make them feel safe, give them a sense of security……and that is a hard job, but a heroic one. When everyone gets back, the Charmings (don’t give a rat’s behind about Hook and Regina; I will never forgive them) had better look in the mirror and realize how shabbily they treated Belle I have a feeling SB under Belle’s leadership will be in a better place than it was under the Charmings.
I hate having no Rumbelle for half a season at least; to me that is a complete waste of Bobby/Em chemistry….. and no Rumbelle still hurts badly even though I agree with you for the most part. Knowing Adam/Eddy, we won’t see them thinking of each other at all – yet another thing we’ll have to assume happens off-screen. I’d like to see Gold zap a final letter to Belle where she’d be sure to find it; there’s no way he wouldn’t want to say goodbye to her in full, like he couldn’t at the docks.
Hmm, even if they are reunited in S3, will we see them in a relationship? I don’t know. For one thing, Belle should move back in with him. For another, we need to see them actually being with each other, bantering with each other, having dinner, making breakfast for each other, watching tv…….and kissing, lol, for the sheer love of it instead of because they have to say goodbye. No we don’t have to see episodes of this, but we have to see enough of it. I’m still very upset that they probably made love and we didn’t get any of the preliminaries, didn’t get any of the “first”. Remember how Rumple wanted to make a home for Belle in Skin Deep? We should have seen Gold bring Belle to “his” house, to be “their:” house.
In terms of their story, we need to see these two enjoy being in love; there is so much the writers can do with them. It’s not enough to give them some brief reunion kiss and then start the angst all over again. I would love to see Belle be a bridge between father and son as well, so that could be part of their story, but they suck at balance. How are they going to balance out the need to show Gold/Bae and Rumbelle? With the writers, it’s all or nothing……
I have been extremely positive about S3 and even the separation until yesterday – now it’s just painful.
[adrotate group="5"]I like that the 2 halves are being treated like 2 seasons, except I’m guessing that means no Rumbelle reunion until very near the end of the first half.
I’m thrilled that Belle is getting a storyline, but what does it say about Adam/Eddy that the only way they can give her one is without Gold? I feel like they do “get” how powerful and deep Rumbelle love is, but they have no interest at all in writing them……….just in writing them apart. I mean, please Eddy – their relationship faces a challenge because they’re separated? They have been separated 99% of the time since Skin Deep – what they have is not so much a relationship as it is feelings and moments. Now they’re going to be separated, probably with no communication, for at least half a season. So when exactly do we see a relationship with them?
Bobby and Emilie’s comments make me feel good, actually. That scene (and it’s more than a moment based on what Emilie said; Bobby might be specifically referring to one thing, the TLK, lol) is going to be a huge deal…..it’s not going to be a 5 second scene. I think Bobby means that they don’t get to really linger and enjoy each other because of what’s going down… As long as they are together, I’m happy (and I LOVE that Gold is all about restoring Belle).
Angie, I agree about Belle – it’s been a very frustrating year. I will give the show one more crack to get her right. I’m very sorry that she never got to open the library…….that’s sad, and if SB is no more, she won’t get too. Still, I think she will prove to be a huge asset in Neverland – I’m hoping she and Gold will go on a quest to find Bae, like they couldn’t do together in the Outsider. She’s such a strong, brave, unique character that it’s surprising that her creators failed to take advantage of that this year
I’m not worried at all about Gold. This scene with Whale is part of his act, that’s all. He doesn’t have to go bat crazy for Lacey nor does he have to constantly show off his power; he just has to do enough to keep up her interest long enough for her to grow to really care about and then love him. IMO, he’s not going to succumb to his dark side because that’s not who he wants to be – and he’s got hope now so he’s not in the depths of despair as he was when he first started beating on Keith.
The only times Gold would need to put on an act are the times when he’s with Lacey in public. If he’s alone, there’s no point and if they are alone together, then why bother?
Clearly Neal is going to see the Whale scene and completely misinterpret it. I think this will eventually lead to Gold pouring his heart out to Lacey, telling her the truth and saying that he may have lost his son (who appears to have disappeared) by putting on this act. I think he will tell her how much he loves her and that he’s going to honor Belle and their love, and his son, by not pursuing this path. He will tell her that she doesn’t need bad boys, “boys” who can’t love her like she should be loved……and then he will say, IMO, that he hopes she can love him or grow to love him for who he is and wants to be. Whatever it is he says, we know that, per Bobby, we find out what Gold is up to at the end of #22, so I think this is it…….and he also said that everything “turns around in that moment”. To me, that is when Lacey realizes she loves Gold – we get TLK and voila. Emilie said we’d get a very relevant, very very beautiful and emotional moment in the finale. I’m certain Belle gets her memories back…..
Gold is going to fight desperately to restore the woman he loves, but he’s not going to cross any lines and he’s not going to do anything REALLY bad or nasty……I’m just really looking forward to this.
@Josephine wrote:
RG, that a perfect way to end it if we’re going to be stuck with Lacey for awhile. I really hope he doesn’t revert to his dark side again. He’s made too much progress to backslide too much. He does have goodness in him. He just has to realize it is there.
I have to say that I think his speech to Mary Margaret about how he lives with what he’s done is more telling than anything. It was a raw, honest answer and shows he knows deep down the difference between right and wrong and that it’s a struggle for him. I just haven’t seen that yet with Regina and that’s why her redemption storyline isn’t working for me. Like an addict, Regina really hasn’t hit “rock bottom” yet. Until she does she’s going to continue to make the same mistakes.
The key is has Rumple really hit rock bottom, either? If he hasn’t hit it yet, at least I think he has it in his sights. He’s more on his path at the moment, but I also think he’ll never be truly reformed. He’s lived hundreds of years with the specter of the Dark One. Even if his personal curse is broken, I can still see it being a part of him. Not in the way it is now, but remnants will still exist in his persona. But I do see definite growth in his character. I just hope Lacey doesn’t destroy it.
He may have to act a bit dark, but that’s not the same as being dark. Gold clearly does not want to be the DO – as Eddy said, he’s spent all season searching for the light, he’s chosen goodness and love. There’s really no other way for him to attract Lacey and get close to her other than appealing to her bad boy loving side, but that doesn’t mean he’ll act like that all the time – just probably in certain situations, where he will pick and choose his spots. When he’s alone with Lacey, perhaps he might be a bit more aggressive or naughty? BY now he’s got to be desperate for any physical affection, so when Lacey offers it – he has to resist doing anything more than kissing (but how hard that will be, lol).
The poster who suggested that, at some point, Gold might tell Lacey that he loves her, but he would rather she loved him for himself and not his bad boy behavior, had a great idea; I had also thought that might happen…or at least I’d like it to.
Regardless, Lacey appears to be a good person, and I’m glad of that. This conflict Gold has within himself is simply, I think, down to the fact that he’s not sure he can be good without Belle (but he can; he has shown that – he uses her as inspiration, so he has to do that again, think of Belle). Lacey accepting him as he is is not a good thing, as it wasn’t when Cora loved his DO side. Belle wants better for him because she knows he is so capable of it – and of being truly happy
I think Lacey and Belle are together by the end of #19, which is (as Bobby has said) the start of a new adventure for them.
There is no doubt in my mind that Belle getting her memory back will be a huge part of the finale. Adam has said Emilie has a big role to play and she filmed quite a lot with Bobby – and also had one scene with him and the dwarves. Obviously that has to do with the memory issue since Sneezy still doesn’t have his.
Bobby has said that Gold has a plan and that we will find out what it is by the end of 22 – when It all turns around in one moment. He’s referring to Belle. I think his plan might be to act sort of the bad boy, to keep Lacey around him (so she’s not with sleazy men) while he works on restoring her. Now he beat up Keith badly apparently, but who’s to say that Keith didn’t deserve it? Gold has a long memory; he will also know that this guy is the evil Sheriff of Nottingham. The actor playing Keith said (apparently) that he’s a bad guy, so I’ll bet that he and Lacey make out (which is a spoiler) and then at some point, Lacey/Gold have a date. She’s waiting for him outside the Rabbit Hole (he has to drive into town), Keith is there, he makes lewd and physical advances…..and voila, Gold canes him.
The scene with Whale? The “kiss my boot”? I think it’s an act. Well, maybe not beating him up (but the boot part) – and I’m fine with that. We have to understand that he’s human, that Gold has the right to be allowed to act human. He’s also been through a ridiculous amount in a short period of time. He’s lost his love, came close to getting her back, is about to lose her again – and not to mention he almost died.
The idea that Gold would just let Lacey stay the way she is and not bring Belle back is unbelievable to me; for anyone who truly believes in him and Rumbelle, they would know that his first priority is restoring Belle for her own sake. He LOVES her, he respects her as a human being; he wants her to live her life; he wants her to be Belle, the woman who refuses to be told what to do and how to feel. The idea that he’d even put whatever physical needs he has ahead of Belle just does not jibe with their entire relationship.
He will fight hard for her, I have no doubt about it……..There is no easy way and he knows it. The easy way is not letting Belle stay Lacey; that is a wrong way, that is a despicable and selfish way – and he would never consider it.
@RumbelleDearie wrote:
So if Belle and Gold DO go with the others to Neverland or FL, does that mean Belle gets her memory back by then? Cause as Lacey she has no idea about magic or everyone’s true identity so how would Gold get her to come with them if she still has no memory and doesn’t believe in any of it?
My fingers are crossed lol.
Well between 19 and 22, there’s still a lot that will happen between Lacey and Gold. Based on everything Adam/Eddy and Bobby have said, I’m sure Belle will have her memories back by the end of the finale. William Keck at TV Guide also said this:
William Keck William Keck @KecksExclusives 6 Apr
@shawngf7 @onceabc some sweet playoffs ahead, most definitely. U won’t be disappointed.LOL He meant payoffs, not playoffs, obviously. So all this evidence, plus filming spoilers (clearly more Belle was coming out of Lacey, from the photos we saw, plus we know Bobby and Emilie filmed at one point with the dwarves) indicates Gold was stopping at nothing to restore Belle
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a quote somewhere about how “the beast was going to rub off on the beauty instead of the other way round” or something like that?
I hope Belle gets her memories back by the end of Lacey. Her clothing in the most recent spoilers may seem Laceyish, however, her shoes seem to be Belle, so I’m hoping Belle has adopted the “We are both” thing of being Belle and Lacey.
Yes, but that was from EW magazine. To be honest, things that she and Bobby have said haven’t really played out. She also said prior to (I think ) the Outsider that “Belle” would lean on Mr. Gold (that should have given us a clue about the memory loss since if she was Belle, Em would have referred to him as Rumple) for security – and that hasn’t happened. She also said that “Belle” would realize sometimes that magic has to be used when it’s being used against you – and that would happen in the next couple of episodes. Nope, never happened. Bobby said Rumbelle would be a realistic relationship…and then we never got it because Gold left for NY and Belle has been out of commission.
As to the TV Guide quotes, well we already know Gold doesn’t harm Henry – and frankly, I always believed that was typical misleading spoilery talk., Nothing on earth could ever make me believe Gold would have done anything like that… for many reasons.
As to the 2nd quote, that’s clearly referring to Belle since why would he refer to Bae there and then Bae again? I’m assuming that at some point Belle will regain her memories; we certainly know per Bobby that Gold is desperate – not that we didn’t know it anyway. He will never give up on her.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Belle’s going with Rumple. I have ZERO fear about that. I also think she’ll be Belle and not Lacey by seasons end if not by the end of 19.
Re: Hook and Gold. Well, this is how I see it. Everyone is in danger when it comes to Tamara. And since GOAT have Henry, I think it prompts everyone to come together to rescue him and to get away from Greg/Owen and Tamara. So Hook and Rumple can set aside their differences for this one occasion, but I expect the drama will return in S3.
Hmm, well I would think Gold’s first priority would be finding Bae/Neal……..I can’t even think of a reason why Hook would care about Henry since as we’ve seen, and as Colin has said, Hook is out for himself and only himself.
Well we know she’s not going to be Belle by the end of #19, but I agree that she (whoever she is) will go with Gold. I just needed some reaffirmation of that because when I get overtired, I get stressed and my worry quotient goes up 100 notches, lol
I just need a bit of positive thinking, so please help me, lol. I KNOW logically that Gold would NEVER EVER leave Belle behind when he goes to Neverland and I know that Belle would refuse to stay (and even if she’s Lacey, I think the natural bravery in her/Belle would come out). I know that leaving Belle behind in SB with the dwarves and maybe Granny makes no sense. It not only gives Emilie NO storyline, makes Belle seem as if she’s completely irrelevant to the show and would be a slap in the face to Rumbelle and Rumbellers, who have had to deal with 3 different separations this year (Broken, Croc, Outsider – in each case, the separation has been longer than the last), but it invalidates Belle as a character. This woman is brave and has proved it over and over again. She’s smart, she plans strategically, she uses common sense…in other words, she’d be an asset to anyone (I assume she’d go off with Gold to find BaeNeal). Leaving her behind would, in truth, be almost a deal breaker for me in terms of whether I watch beyond this season.
Anyway, I know all of the above and logically I know Belle would not be left behind; I also know that they shoot out of order. It just bothers me that Emilie wrapped filming before every other major character. Do you guys think Belle will go with Gold? If he left her behind, again, god that would be SO out of character for him and I’d be devastated that he would even think to do that.
One other thing: It makes no sense for me that Hook would allow Gold on his ship or that Gold would even want to go. Surely he could find another way to Neverland?
Sorry for my rant, but I’m overtired and worried.
