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@AntBee wrote:
I’m firmly in the camp that believes Hook took it otherwise while Aurora was asleep otherwise Cora wouldn’t been able to make Aurora her puppet by talking into Aurora’s heart if it wasn’t in fact Aurora’s heart that she had.
AntBee, I think you hit the nail right on the head. While there can be some doubt as to who took the heart, there’s no doubt has to whose heart it is.
Now, after reading all these posts, I can’t wait for a Hook-Cora back story. I hope, during the second half of the season, they show will concentrate on that, and on the “retaking the kingdom” plotline, rather than too many background story and filler episodes.
Personally, as soon as we saw them together the first time, at the end of “The Crocodile” I thought these two have known together for a while. Just the way the talked, it gave me a feeling. Now, with Cora saying she went through “too many lands”, it’s not a stretch to assume that one of those lands was Neverland. They tell each other their backstories, and she teaches him how to take a heart out of someone’s body.
(This might belong in another thread, but I think that comment puts to rest the theory that she is the Queen of Hearts. It makes it sound as if she did not stay in one land long enough to become Queen of one land.
Interestingly, as I typed the above there was a commercial on the radio for a Canadian restaurant chain called Cora. Hum, maybe the mirror sent her to Canada, where she became a restaurant mogul!)
[adrotate group="5"]I did not have time to read everyone, so sorry if there’s repetition.
Favorite moments: a lot to chose from
1) The banter between Hook and Cora. I miss villains bantering.
2) Granny!
3) The whole scene at the dinner with the hamburgers (nice link to the other episode) ending with the comment about condiments being the best magic from this world.
4) “I climb a beanstock for this. Get your own!”
5) Aurora coming into her own as a character. I never was one of the haters, I just found her a bit bland. This week, she really served a purpose and asserted herself.
6) Granny!
7) The ending, with the look on Cora’s face.
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8) Did I mention Granny!
Least favorite moments:
At times, I found the episode a bit slow.
@bec wrote:
The writers try to throw us off and make us think one thing but then something completely different happens. So i think this is one of those moments.
You’re right, they do like to use misdirection. I don’t know if this is one of those moments but now I’m doubting my own idea. I guess that’s why I like this show.
Does anyone have a good screenshot of the tattoo? I did not really see it when it was shown on the show, so I’d like to know if it really is Rumpel’s dagger, or just a generic, pirate dagger.
@TheTrickster wrote:
@Gaultheria wrote:
But as I said, I don’t think so. It was more like the hero getting an amulet from the old wizard. You know, as Sigrud got the magic ring from the evil dwarf wizard before go to kill Fafnir and rescue the “sleeping beauty” that was Brinhild from her punishment -that was sleeping into a circle of flames until a hero could arrive til her.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what story does that refer to?
@Gypsy wrote:
The only thing is, why hide her identity with a veil?
Misdirection!
On “The Secrets of Once Upon A Time” on SQPN.com, they shared a theory by one of their listeners called Mike (if you’re here: Hi Mike!) that Cora will become the Wicked Witch of the West, because Margaret Hamilton’s other role for which she was known was a woman named Cora. (Sorry, I got her name wrong when I first posted this, just made the correction.)
If that theory is correct, I can image the producers thinking: “Hum, Cora means “heart” in Latin. We have the QofH in the episode just before Cora’s. Let’s hide the QofH’s face, that way, everyone will assume she is Cora.” If so, they’re probably laughing their heads off as to how effective that misdirection was.
I like that, Nonnie!
It bothered me that Spencer’s whole plot rested on possibilities rather than certainties, but with your idea, you plugged what I thought was a huge hole.
I have a totally different theory about Snow White’s mother (SWM).
First, I believe that whatever happened to SWM was caused by Cora. She wanted her daughter to become queen (she named her Regina), and caused Snow’s horse to be frightened. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume she’s behind the fate of SWM.
Now, this is where I’m really speculating, but what if Cora did not kill SWM, but trapped her somewhere, maybe even in a different world.
I’ve never been a fan of the Cora as Queen of Hearts theory, because I think if it was, we would have seen Cora in Hat Trick, so that we would speculate on how she became the Queen of Hart, or how she arrived in Wonderland. It made me think – why did the QoH not want Regina referred to as “the queen”? Maybe because she is the true wife of King Leopold, and rightful Queen of his land. That would also explain why she kidnapped Henry Sr., and wanted to have Jefferson make another hat.
Now, I know SWM is referred to lovingly by King Leopold. But, evil is made, not borne. So, if she was trapped in another land, it might have been a question of survival to turn to “the dark side”. Add that to her desire to seek revenge on Cora or her daughter, and you have the perfect condition to corrupt someone.
@steliokontos1 wrote:
I posted it in another thread but I’ll post this theory here too…
Ok there’s some pieces I can’t quite put together so I’m just gonna lay them out and hope for some good ideas as to how they fit together. I think the connection that Henry and Aurora are seeing each other is a pretty safe assumption to make. In the dream a room is mentioned with red curtains but now windows or doors. So some how across these two worlds there’s a kind of connection being made. There’s only one place i’ve seen a place that is a link between worlds and has these red curtains. That’s the room Jefferson’s hat takes them too when they’re going between worlds. As to where the doors are maybe since it’s just a dream there are none since there’s no way to physically travel between worlds like that? Or maybe the curse destroyed the doors with those other worlds only leaving the EF which is why there’s fire? I may be completely off but I think that those dreams and that room the hat takes you too are the same room.
It’s common in fantasy and science-fiction shows to use dreams are previews of upcoming events. I think this is the case with the nightmare: a flashforward to something that will happen. As soon as Aurora described it, and Snow said it was just a dream, I knew there would be more to it.
I agree with you that it probably is a room that connects between worlds. Not the room from Jefferson’s hat (which was round) but another similar room – this one square or rectangular, since there are corners. Not all portals are doors, as we’ve seen with the mirror Cora was pushed through. The drapes would be to cover the different portals, since there are no doors or windows.
My thinking is that David managed to build a portal. He told Henry to stay behind, but of course, Henry did not listen. The fire would have been started by Cora, but leave the princesses stranded in Enchanted Forrest.
I know there are probably problems with my theory, but I look forward to others building on it or criticizing it to make it stronger.
@KalliopeKisees wrote:
Thanks Phee… You are always so thorough. 🙂
I need to research the Bae / Neal Theories. Something doesn’t add up right (in my mind).
Bae should be super old unless…
B) The portal also included time travel
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Daniel had an interesting theory on the initial reaction podcast. His theory is that everyone arrived in the Storybrook world (“our” world) at about the same time, no matter when they left. So Bae would have arrived 28 years ago, and he was 14 then, making him 31 at the time of “Tallahassee” and 42 today. (Hmm, 42 – the meaning of life, according the the Hitch hiker’s guide to the galaxy. Coincidence?)
