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Yes, I have mostly agree with RumplesGirl. It was morally gray. The only problem I have is that he used a lie “to manipulate” Snow, which I think is not completely the right way.
I think my biggest problem is that Charming couldn’t explain why Snow has to fight back and put the dwarfs, Snow White and the people they care about in danger.
He never said they should do it because Snow might regret it or because they had to protect the people in the kingdom from the Evil Queen. I really was thinking the reason why he thought it is the rigth thing to fight back because he was feeling it is the right thing to do.
He was right at the end. But he used a lie to manipulate the person he loved most. Which is not comparable with a simple lie to protect someone or himself.
So I would say it is at least a morally gray thing.[adrotate group="5"]“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeI feel like this season we’ll be getting Shadow 101 lessons like last year was Hearts. Apparently if you yank a shadow out of someone’s back, it kills them (a la Greg), but if you cut it off around the feet (WONDERFUL nod to Peter Pan I might add since they were always trying to reattach his shadow from his foot), then you can control it and send it off to do things for you. Very interesting indeed!
Maybe if your shadow is taken by force then you die; but if you offer up your shadow in service to Pan or carve it out yourself, then you get to live.
I think you’re right.
But I would say that the actually the difference is that Pan’s shadow rip off the shadow of someone else while Rumple did cut it off by using a magical item (the dagger).
And the way Rumple cut off his shadow is actually the complete opposite of how Wendy reattached Pan’s shadow in the original story. She uses needle and thread and Rumple used a dagger.
So I think that Pan also has at least a magical item which he used to cut off his own shadow. It might be another magical dagger with the origin like the dark one’s. But it could also be something else.
Maybe he has a magical scissors.^^“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael Ende1. Maleficent – She might be trapped between life and death
2. The Wraith or someone else Aurora and Mulan met while they freed Philip’s soul.
3. The Sandman – He is the brother of death, bringer of sleep and dreams and in E.T.A Hoffman’s version a very horrifying character.
4. Someone connected with the origin of the sleeping curse. Maybe Odin.These are the first four things which came into my mind and it would be very interesting if that person is someone we haven’t met yet. But if I would have to choose I would guess it’s Maleficent.
Well, I’m pretty sure we will find out more about it in the future, but I’m not sure if the writers want to tell us about it in this season.“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeFrom the Rolling Stone interview:
Remember that theory that Peter Pan is also the Pied Piper?! Well, I think this might prove that theory true!
Oh haven’t seen this yet. This reminds me of the “Playful Pan”, one of the Silly Symphony videos, in which the Greek god Pan use his flute very Pied-Piper-like.
“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeSo not even any exposition for the Philip story??? That is…odd?
Well, it sounds for me like they want to save up that story for later when it’s maybe more important. We still doesn’t know what that dark place is where the wraith took Phillip’s soul. My theory is that it is Hades and if I’m right than it would definitively too early to show or tell about it now because they really need to stay focused on Neverland.
“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeSo someone has uploaded some more deleted scenes. It also has the Wendy scene in better quality. Now I can be sure that the last word under the line is “Goethe”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEapgNcApwA“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeBook title is The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, but the other writing doesn’t show up in the screencap.
Disney’s Fantasia is based on the symphonic poem The Sorcerer’s Apprentice by Paul Dukas, which was inspired by the ballad The Sorcerer’s Apprentice by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. Dunno that either of those names are on the cover, but the illustration on the wiki page for it looks like the pic on the cover of the book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_sorcerer%27s_apprenticeI would guess it’s “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice and other tales – Goethe” on the cover. But I’m not sure with the third line. If I’m right I wonder what the other tales are supposed to be. Maybe other poems by Goethe like the Erlking and Prometheus.
“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeI’m not surprised that they include the Beowulf epic into the OUAT universe. Even if I haven’t expected that we will see Grendel in OUAT in Wonderland.
But what surprises me is the fact that they doesn’t use an alias for Grendel like they normally did.
hmm now I wonder if this will give a chance that we will also see some other characters from the Germanic Heroic Age like Weland the smith in the future.
“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeDefinitevly a Tinkerbell reference. It’s even a quot from the original Peter Pan novel:
“She is quite a common fairy,” Peter explained apologetically, “she is called Tinker Bell because she mends the pots and kettles .”
“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael EndeInteresting! For some reason for which I have no evidence or explanation, alchemy puts me in mind of Merlin. I wonder if Merlin was ever a Dark One or connected to Rumple in some way.
The same happened to me once when Cora cast the protection spell ove the Safe Haven. The staff she used reminded me somehow about Merlin. Maybe because he is a powerful sorcerer. I don’t know why.
Well when I’m thinking about alchemy and magic I guess the first connection I would make is Faust, because I know that the historical Faust was actually an alchemist who accidentally blowed himself up and after that the people thought that the devil ripped him apart and took his soul.
But I gues alchemy might be connected with witchraft. Rumple is using very often potion. Now I wonder if he is able to do some kind of alchemy or we might already seen him doing some of it. Maybe I should rewatch the show^^
“There were thousands and thousands of forms of joy in the world, but that all were essentially one and the same, namely, the joy of being able to love.”
— from the Neverending Story by Michael Ende
