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September 27, 2017 at 10:57 pm in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342229MichaelBlocked
I just watched the interview. I think what Colin means is that, just like this Cinderella, this is a Hook from a different world. But i dont think hes a clone as in he was created by Emma for her to send off to help Henry or whatever. That’s just….that’s just no. And a weak attempt at trying to make Hook heroic for not even doing anything (why not just have Hook actually go do the things himself?) If Hook turns out to be some kind of clone or whatever, I think that’s just weak. I’d have much rather a new actor playing a new alternate version of Hook just as they have new actors and actresses playing new versions of other characters. The only way that would have worked for me is if they had the other actors playing the alternate versions of themselves. But no. If this is what is happening, then this is so weak. That would mean A&E are tryin to have their cake and eat it too (telling CS fans that Emma and Hook are off living HEA, but not wanting to turn them away from the show by not having the only one they care about: Hook. So they just keep dangling Colin in the show despite, once again, him not really having any reason to be here. Especially without Emma. So now, if its an “alternate Hook” but its really the same Hook with the added bonus of whatever happens to him wont mean anything to his relationship status.) This is dumb. I’m all for a New!Hook but I feel this is just a cop out.
I think it is probably not the route they wanted to go on but it’s the one they may have decided on because they want to have their cake and eat it too.
And they can keep the CS fans because as we see in the premiere he very much even if a clone is still Emma’s husband and she is his true love. He is drawn to her and recognizes her even cursed. So I think that’s their way of keeping CS alive in Rogers narrative in present day. And they’ve been very adamant that Rogers is searching for something, he feels a sense of loss. It’s probably Emma and if they have a baby that as well. They’ve also been pretty clear that Rogers is not getting an LI but Regina will. Cause his TL for Emma will always be there and ultimately that’s whom he will be with.
It works cause the person that Rogers at the end of this won’t reunite with is Emma but himself, so JMO doesn’t need to come back. Just have Rogers reintegrate back into our Killian so that he can live his hea with his wife.
[adrotate group="5"]September 27, 2017 at 10:03 pm in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342222MichaelBlockedThe only way the he is our Hook theory works and it ends in a satisfying way is if we see a post curse reunion in 7×02.
I think a variation on this that would be ideal and satisfying would be for Hook and Emma to obtain some kind of magic object that shows them their future of reuniting. That way we know they get their HEA, it’s “an emotional curtain call” for Emma since she and Hook are temporarily separating and she can’t go help Henry because (insert reason), and we get to see the actual Hook from the past 5 seasons going forward.
Why does it have to be magical objet? Why can’t it just be a simple FF post curse at the end of 7×02. Simple as that.
September 27, 2017 at 8:08 pm in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342216MichaelBlockedPay off needs to be shown on screen, not implied or shown off scree
The writers do emotional payoff to other storylines all the time, be they big or small.
Her being separated from her true loves is not satisfying.
But she’s not. She knows exactly where he is, what he’s doing and why he’s doing it and like she said at the end of their wedding, she knows they’ll handle whatever is coming. And it’s Sept 2017, Henry is the same age in HH as he was in New!EF so she’s actually only apart from him for a few months, at most, when the curse finally breaks, likely in May. It’s not like Snowing being separated for 28 yrs, a story that absolutely needed emotional on screen resolution. And again, the emotional resolution S7 is concerned with is not CS; it’s Cinderella and Henry. The whole story is geared toward that story, not past couples. If JMo really is one and done and Clone!Hook is not true, then S7B (or even S7A depending on when the curse breaks) ends with Hook saying goodbye to Henry, proud of his role in breaking the curse, and going home to Emma and SB. You don’t need JMo for that and you don’t need a big CS reunion because their story isn’t the one this season cares about.
The point is RG it’s one a majority of the audience cares about and if your putting them through the ringer of angst then yes you do need a pay off for the 20 + episodes of angst on screen. Not having it is gonna feel like a massive rip off, because what was the point of all that angst. To not see Hook reunite with Emma and his child? It’d be disgusting.
It goes back to the whole why should I care about these new characters getting happy endings when the old characters I’ve invested 6+ years that I do know can have their happy endings be put in jeopardy. I choose the old characters over the new any day as would the majority of the audience. Hence why buzz for the newbies is completely dead. The only time this show really gets buzz now is when they announce an old cast member returning. Nothing about the new characters is getting clicks.
This is why Clone idea works.
You solve the issue of Emma only in one episode.
You show us that CS are living HEA.
You have CS still on the show through Rogers search for what he’s missing aka Emma and his child.
You have Rogers in the finale go back to the real Hook so he can continue to live his HEA w/ Emma and his child.
The only way the he is our Hook theory works and it ends in a satisfying way is if we see a post curse reunion in 7×02. We see Hook reunite w/ Emma and their baby at the end of the episode post curse so we know with confidence they live HEA. Then the rest of the season is about getting to that moment. Otherwise it’s gonna bomb and Colin has spoken adamantly all season that CS fans have nothing to worry about, that CS are together and they’re living their HEA. An off screen reunion is horrible and completely unappealing and not a worthy pay off whatsoever to the angst we’d go through in S7.
September 27, 2017 at 7:56 pm in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342213MichaelBlockedIf you’re putting CS through the ringer of angst and separation then yeah there needs to be pay off for that storyline and it happening off screen is not acceptable, period. Pay off needs to be shown on screen, not implied or shown off screen. That is a not a satisfying end to Hook’s storyline for the season. Them building up him waking up and reuniting with Emma needs to be seen on screen,otherwise there’s no emotional payoff. Sorry RG, but I’m pretty sure more people care about CS then will ever care about Henry/Cinderella even as this season continues. Henry/Cinderella won’t even touch CS in turns of popularity and investment.
They said it’s an emotional curtain call and a satisfying ending for Emma. Her being separated from her true loves is not satisfying. Everything they have said about CS in S7 means they are together living their HEA and that CS fans have nothing to worry about in S7.
September 27, 2017 at 6:44 pm in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342207MichaelBlockedAnd a clone Hook is still our Hook just a copy of him. He still has all the memories of Hook. He is still Emma’s husband. Emma is still his true love evident in 7×01 with Rogers
Sure. But it’s still a much better story, IMO, to send *real* Hook for the story reasons I stated above. Not Copy!Hook. I mean why should I care about Clone!Hook and him being there to help Henry. Real Hook helping Henry, suffering through the curse…that’s the better story, IMO. And it keeps to so many of the themes the show likes to present. But the story in which Hook and Emma say “we’re gonna make a clone of Hook to keep you safe so we can go back to our normal lives in SB” is soooo much weak sauce, for me.
They gotta do this cause JMO is only gonna be in one episode. And there’s no pay off to a 20 + episode separation for CS fans if he’s the real Hook. All that angst and separation, the pay off would happen off screen. There’s nothing for the fans to invest in not unless they shot a secret scene when JMO came to film. It’s risky and leaves fans angry cause all that angst and separation the pay off would happen off screen or implied. That’s not good.
This guarantees that CS have their happy ending, that CS is still relevant in S7 cause Rogers TL is Emma and if the endgame of this plot which I suspect is Rogers being reintegrated back into our Hook, then JMO does not need to appear. Just the real Hook in a sequence in SB suggesting that Rogers is back to being a part of Killian. And he can live his HEA w/ Emma and their child..
The child I think will also be incentive for Rogers to want to go back.
September 27, 2017 at 6:06 pm in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342203MichaelBlockedPersonally I think the Clone!Hook theory might be right but also really….bad. It’s not a good narrative point. It makes both Emma and Hook look like cowards and frankly too wrapped up in their own personally happily ever after to care about Henry and what he’s going through. So..what? Emma and Hook pop over to New!EF see that Henry is in trouble (as is his wife and presumably daughter) and while Regina and maybe Rumple choose to help Henry even if it means another curse and being separated from SB, loved ones, ect, Emma and Hook just offer a clone of his stepfather instead of helping out by going themselves??
Yeah. Huh? Unfortunately I could see them going this route as TheWatcher said and Colin seemed to be saying there’s a separate version of Hook in HH vs. the one living out his HEA with Emma. But what’s the point of bringing Hook back if you’re not bringing back the Hook we’ve grown to know over the last 5 seasons. Colin is a great actor and seems like a stand up guy, but are people going to love him so much that it doesn’t matter if he’s a different Hook? Maybe, but then you’re going to have people complaining if they try to pair this new Hook up with a love interest. I’m really confused.
They’ve been pretty adamant that he won’t get an LI unlike Regina whom they’ve been very open about will get one.
And a clone Hook is still our Hook just a copy of him. He still has all the memories of Hook. He is still Emma’s husband. Emma is still his true love evident in 7×01 with Rogers.
September 27, 2017 at 12:34 pm in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342179MichaelBlockedSo however she finds love, wherever it is, what we notice in the first couple episodes that there’s moments for her, everyone has a partner, everyone’s having babies, everyone’s doing great, and Regina is just enjoying her family and stuff, but there’s something missing.
Lana just basically confirmed CS have a baby.
September 27, 2017 at 10:55 am in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342174MichaelBlockedAccept when it comes to Colin over the years I’ve always been able to have the right interpretation. You meanwhile try to look for every hole in the narrative because you don’t like CS. And you end up being wrong.
September 27, 2017 at 10:40 am in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342170MichaelBlockedColin’s words is fan interpretation? Interesting logic right there on your part.
September 27, 2017 at 10:28 am in reply to: EW 9/26 – Once Upon a Time bosses deep dive into season 7 reboot #342168MichaelBlockedA&E are more in the know that even Colin is, so they’re the ones who know what is really going to happen.
Umm.. the episode was already filmed way before this time. Colin very much knows cause he reads the scripts. You clearly have no idea what YOUR talking about here.
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