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@HappyEndings wrote:
Yes, she was Snow told David what about the Blue Fairy speaking over Ruth, and Lancelot said that it was poison and the BF couldn’t help when he tasted the arrow that is when David suggested the Lake.
Here is part of the quote:
In the Fairy Tale Land of the past, with Charming and Snow still hovering over Charming’s wounded mother, Lancelot tells them all that the arrow was poisoned. Even fairy dust can’t save her at this point. Suddenly Charming remembers: Lake Nostos
They weren’t talking specifically about the Blue Fairy, but fairies in general. I tried to find “Blue” in the episode transcript and came up with nothing, a little more clarification would’ve been nice. 🙂
To be fair with Blue and fairies in general, though, magical poisons have been shown to need far more than the usual, common magical resources to heal. Rumple certainly didn’t think something as trivial as fairy dust could heal Hook’s poison in “The Miller’s Daughter”.
[adrotate group="5"]@HappyEndings wrote:
You know I forgot the BF couldn’t even heal David’s mother either because of the poision right so I guess she couldn’t even save Snow’s mother if she couldn’t save Ruth ❓
Huh? Blue wasn’t even mentioned in Lady of the Lake.
@Surayya wrote:
Oh, yes I dont think Hookriel will = no more Hook at all (I’d hope), it’d probably just mean almost no Hook at all (after the NL story finished), aside from the odd pop in cameo (as has happened to all the other ‘HEA’ couples- ie Abigail, Hansel & Gretel, Cinders) & when it’s your fav character that may as well be gone for good 😉 🙁 I know not everyone can be kept, but anyone not heavily involved with our mains will be dropped at some point, in favor of new ‘regular’ cast, otherwise there are just to many toys in the play pen for a 40min ep to do justice with (I think of all the Belle fans sadness this season when she wasn’t around & then when she was around, wasn’t doing much more than hanging off of Rumple for a few mins every couple of eps). As I said I wouldn’t say yay or nay to Hookriel until after seeing how it plays out.
I don’t think the lack of use of a regular character comes from not being involved with the mains; if it was, Belle would’ve had a lot more screentime than she did. What really counts is how big an investment does the character have, directly or indirectly, on the main storyline, namely the fight for Henry.
Henry is the driving force the show, its primary MacGuffin, so to speak; everything that happens in the show eventually comes down to Henry in the end: he brought Emma to SB, he made Emma believe by getting himself cursed, he led Emma to break the curse with her true love’s kiss on him, he drove Regina to try to be good and then fall back into evil, he is the one prophesized to be Rumple’s undoing and, finally, he’s the one Peter Pan’s looking for. If you don’t have a heavy emotional investment, direct or indirect on him, you don’t last longer on the regular cast. It’s why Archie, August and Red are out (no family connection), Belle remains (she’s the TL of Henry’s grandfather and, such, his step-grandmother), Neal’s in (Henry’s father) and Hook will likely remain (he’s emotionally Neal’s stepfather and Henry’s step-grandfather, to some extent).
@RumplesGirl wrote:
In other Ariel related news:
Sebastian, Flounder, and Scuttle. Do we see them?Probably not. We don’t see Mrs. Potts, Lumière or the real Chip, after all. 🙂
@Phee wrote:
Furthermore, Hook probably didn’t see Rumple there. But if all of Rumple’s NL business was conducted with Ursula, he was under the sea for the whole time anyway.
Oh, I wouldn’t be so sure about this, given how Rumple knew Smee had joined Hook’s crew when nothing in the flashbacks of “The Crocodile” indicated such. Also, Rumples knows and fears Peter Pan, he has to have faced him in Neverland at least once.
Thanks! That trailer certainly changed a lot of minds about an ONCE spin-off this early. I for sure am stoked about this, I’m probably craving more information about OUATinWL than OUAT atm! 😆
If Henry’s fairy tale book is anything like the Grimm Brothers’s or Hans Christian Andersen’s then it’s certain not to be a single, huge, cohesive story, but a collection of smaller ones with no apparent connection between them, most of the times not even mentioning the names of the characters involved. The story of Rumple becoming the Dark One and losing Bae would then be about namelesses father and son and separated from Rumple’s story with Cora and Belle (where he’d be named only as Beast, as in the original tale), and so on.
The only difference is that the stories would be closer to what is shown on ONCE than on the real life books.
@Pan14 wrote:
In the episode Manhattan, Rumple’s deal with Emma is specifically to get Neal to talk to him – this makes me think that Rumple and Neal had seen each other at least once before they were first separated. Possibly in Neverland.
I could see Bael/neal refusing to talk to Rumple when/if they met in Neverland. Rumple could be the reason that Bae/neal was able to escape Neverland.
Pretty sure Manhattan was intended to be the first time Rumple has seen his son in centuries. He wouldn’t need to build this curse to end all curses if he’d found Bae in Neverland.
I wouldn’t rule out the other way around, though, since Neal said he has seen what Rumple did to people who breaks deals.
My memory of Disney’s Pinocchio is quite fuzzy as well, but that’s what wikis are for 🙂 :
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Pinocchio
Anyway, Jiminy DOES follow Pinocchio to Pleasure Island in the cartoon; Lampwick even picks on him for being this party pooper on their unruly fun. At one point Jiminy quits being Pinocchio’s conscience, but after realizing what Pleasure Island did to the boys he ran to Pinocchio’s rescue, leading him to an escape route and taking them out of there.
Now back to the theory of Neverland = Pleasure Island. Who’s to say Jiminy didn’t go there as well like the cartoon? Archie shared absolutely no scenes with Neal in season 2, who’s to say he wouldn’t recognize him as Baelfire right away like August did? Nonetheless, RG is right, the showrunners don’t follow the stories word by word, just because Jiminy did it in the cartoon doesn’t mean he has to do it in Onceverse.
@HappyEndings wrote:
@Keb wrote:
We’re suggesting that Pinocchio visited NL before the curse, while Neal was (presumably) still there. Back before he became a real boy the first time.
That doesn’t really make any sense he was about 10 years old when he came to the states as a real boy, even if he was a wooden boy how on earth did he and his father travel back and forth to NL on that little raft? Besides that wouldn’t explain the surprise look on Neil face that August knew his name was Beafire nor the fact that I am sure Bae wouldn’t have told anyone other then Hook about his fathers name and dagger he didn’t even tell Wendy about his Dad or the dagger..
Nah, I think that is really reaching on an idea in my opinion. By the way wasn’t the cricket with Pinocchio when he did that little trip.
HappyEndings, perhaps your memories of the Disney movie are a bit rusty. Pinocchio got separated from Geppetto pretty early in the cartoon, a reunion between them would only happen at the very end of the movie, at the belly of Monstro. Before that happened he was essentially an orphan – a Lost Boy.
Here’s a link to the Disney wikia page of the movie if you want to refresh your memory: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Pinocchio
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I’m suggesting that Pleasure Island and Neverland are the same. Based on what we know about NL in Once thus far, they sound remarkably alike.
It’s funny, Pleasure Island itself wasn’t in my mind when I first started thinking of this theory, it came much as a consequence of me noticing spiritual similarities between Peter Pan and Lampwick. The jump to Neverland = Pleasure Island was then a natural one and by the end of the finale I was about convinced of the theory’s solidness. 🙂
@RumplesGirl wrote:
As for Jefferson, we don’t know how he knows August or Bae, but I’d be willing to be that all three of them know each other and about the dagger.
It’d definitely give an ironic twist to the Rumple/Jefferson ruby slippers scene in The Doctor – if only Rumple had babbled that he wanted to find his son Bae to Jefferson he might’ve reunited with him sooner. I’m all for it! 🙂
