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@PriceofMagic wrote:
The Joker is such an iconic role though so it’s not really fair to compare that with Tamara’s role as a villain.
SwanFire shippers hated Tamara the moment she was introduced because she would be standing in the way of Emma and Bae getting together. Most of the fanbase hates her after her actions in Selfless, Brave and True. They need to give her some sort reason as to why she’s doing what she is other than “because she’s evil” especially in this show where “evil isn’t born, it’s made”.
Fair enough on the Joker. How about Buffy villains? The only one who one could claim had a sob story was Angel. The Master, The Mayor, Adam, Glory, the First, they were pure evil, simple as that, and some of them were villains people really loved, like the Mayor.
Not all villains need sob stories. This “evil isn’t born, it’s made” is fine with Regina and Rumple, since them being main characters means their lives can’t be all about doing evil, but there’s no need for that for guest villains like Tamara.
[adrotate group="5"]@RumplesGirl wrote:
So what do we have so far:
–The core cast on the Jolly Roger, probably going to NL (except Henry?)
–GOAT taking HenryPretty sure the last pictures with Greg, Tamara and Henry show that they’ll be taking a boat to escape, so I think it’s more likely the core cast is on the Jolly Roger to go chase them.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
I wonder how they are going to make Tamara sympathetic to the audience. All the villains on this show have had some redeeming qualities so what are Tamara’s going to be?
I’m sure it’ll end up involving her grandmother, but really, do all villains really need to have a sob story? I can somewhat accept FTL ones, since finding your happy ending seems to be a big goal for everyone there, but our world has villains who are just outright monstrous and not sympathic at all. Did anyone feel sympathy to Osama Bin Laden? He was a rich boy financed by the USA, who learned guerrila warfare by fighting a war for religious reasons, also financed by the USA, just so he could one day take down the USA. Who really cared about his end other than those who were equally fanatical to him? 🙄
If I had any saying on what Tamara’s story would be, I’d have her and those she’s working with (I don’t see her being alone on this, she’s too resourceful with her shiny techno-toy that’s able to kill magical beings and her ability to test the Dragon’s vial with the most sophisticated techniques available to men, or at least I hope she isn’t) wanting magic because they want to use it to fix what they see as the world’s problems, a concept that could so easily escalate into a 1984’s Big Brother sort of society that the SB gang would try to deny them access to it no matter what. Alas, I don’t have, so it’ll probably end up being yet another sob story. I can just see it. 🙄
Sorry about my rant, it’s just that it’s a major beef of mine this pathological need for the villains to have a sympathic side. It’s not something every villain needs, Joker had no backstory in “The Dark Knight” and everyone loved him there. 😳
@TimeSpacer wrote:
Clever point about the Army War College. And I definitely agree that Tamara must have some large organization (whether private or government) backing her in order to perform the kinds of tests she described and to produce techno-toys like the one she wielded against August and The Dragon. Such activities would be way outside the role of the Army War College itself, but Greg might have some indirect affiliation. While most of their students are active-duty military, they do have a small fraction of civilian students from other organizations like the State Department and the NSA. They also host a lot of conferences and symposia which bring in all kinds of experts in various fields. Greg could be either a student or a visiting academic.
I don’t see Greg having ulterior motives other than finding his father (though I can see him being xenophobic to the Storybrookers because of it), so I like the idea of him being merely a visiting academic or student. The Army War College, incidentally, could be how Greg met Tamara. One of the traits mentioned in her casting call and that we have yet to see something come out of it was that she’s a born leader, and it just happens that teaching leadership and strategy is one of the College’s duties.
@NONNIE wrote:
.. OTHER SIDE OF MIRROR clued me into the fact Carlisle Pa is the home of Army War College.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle,_Pennsylvania
In Carlisle Pa there is an Army War College… my theory is that Greg/ Ben is in the Army as INTELLIGENCE OFFICER aka CIA — he is part of a division to find and utilize alternate technology, be it magical, alien or paranormal…. It is just that he knew about STORYBROOKE and that magic existed so now he is trying to capitalize on it… if he is unable to use it for his own benefit… he will be out to destroy it.
His motive for destroying magic…. it killed his father.
Nonnie
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.Nice find! I’ve always subscribed to the theory that Greg was a non-FTL character just as he appeared to be, so I was sure he had to have a bit more kick than just being a regular joe, otherwise what kind of threat could he pose to people who can wield magic, huh? Of course, the best I could find prior to this little bit was the FBI main headquarters being on Pennsylvania AVENUE in Washington, DC, a connection not strong enough to work on a theory. 🙂
And a job on the US Intelligence does fit a big nerd like Greg. I’ll even add that it’s a connection that he probably shares with Tamara; she did say she analyzed the contents of the Dragon’s potion with the most sophisticated techniques available to men (the US Army have to have them to deal with biological warfare) and she has an impressive anti-magical taser (no way she developed that alone).
Not sure about CIA, though. Isn’t it a civillian intelligence agency, more involved with foreign affairs than domestic ones? Non-American here, so an honest question.
PS: Maybe you should post this or move this to the General Discussions thread. Not sure many people will see your theory on a forum dedicated to a past episode. 🙂
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Greg doesn’t know what has happened to his father beyond Regina arresting him when Owen was a kid. Greg has returned to Storybrooke to find his father. He has no interest in the magic unlike Tamara. Greg was amazed at all the magic that was happening so I doubt he wants to destroy it. I don’t think Greg is in the army or CIA. He’s just an average Joe looking for his father.
I don’t think Greg’s desire to find his father and a possible job at the Army are mutually exclusive. He knew the town was not what it appeared to be, so it’s only natural that he’d be sure to have powerful resources available to him when he finally manages to get inside again.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
And now I’m completely terrified.
Heh, I was more terrified when I first saw MRJ’s twitter and the Henry crying scene. A temporary death I can deal with; I’d cry and I’d hate it, but I can deal with. An irreversible one, however, I can’t; Neal just got back into Henry’s life and his dynamic with everyone in the cast is fantastic, and Rumple is a powerful and relevant player in the show’s dynamics, losing either for good would be a great mistake.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Yes he did. He said he was getting verklempt, or highly emotional.
They wouldn’t out right kill Rumple, right? I mean, he would come back. They can’t do this show without Bobby…I think whatever death happens in the finale (if it does happen indeed) won’t be an irreversible one. I’ve always suspected the wraith could play a role in the finale, especially after the K&H said the finale would tie the whole season together, and this supposed shooting of Julian Morris (I didn’t see a source provided by the poster, so who knows? I only have Julian’s picture of Sarah Bolger in his Instagram to give credibility to the report), probably to close Aurora and Mulan’s quest to restore Philip’s soul, only reinforces that for me.
Of course, I was confident Rumple would be the one to get his soul sucked and Belle would spent early season 3 in a quest to save him, but with Henry crying I’m not so sure anymore. Either Rumple or Neal becoming soulless would fit the prophecy of Rumple’s undoing, I suppose, and Neal being the victim would widen the number of characters interested in restoring him to life. Finally, Robert is a cast regular and Michael isn’t, so it’d be a bigger loss if Rumple remained that way for many episodes.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Greg took a photo of Henry’s bag before calling Regina and telling her he was in the woods
I must’ve missed that. I assumed Henry ran into Greg because that particular site in the woods was where the latter camped with his father in the first flashback scene. I’ll definitely review the scene when I get home.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
HER/Tamara: using August, Neal, and Greg, find and obtain magic for some dark purpose.
If Tamara’s an outsider just as GregOwen is, I hope she doesn’t have a single drop of a sob story. People in our world can be monsters just for the sake of it, claiming otherwise would be just pushing it on the whole “evil is made, not born”.
