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Lol Slurpeez… I will knight you an honorary member of TTOLTO then, even if you refuse the title. I think you are more optimistic than you realize 😉
About this burned at the stake thing… there we go with the fire imagery again. WHAT IS UP WITH THE FIRE IMAGERY?
Lastly, you know what would fit with filming w doubles for JMo & Emilie? If Emma goes back in time, and travels to the vault scene to try to change it. I am SURE that’s not what happens. It’s just the thought I had, when thinking of those three actors together.
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Oh!! I gotcha now 🙂 Sorry, I thought there was something in the Ginny article I missed. Yep, that too. Boo. 🙁
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Where did you get this impression, from the Ginny article?
EDIT: And I guess they told MRJ that he would be unceremoniously killed OOC and dumped by the side of the road as a convenient plot point?
Yeah. Because it would be worse, even worse, the only thing possibly worse than DO322 – we will definitely, absolutely get AO322. Because why not?! I don’t know how, I don’t know what they’ll do, but mark my words we ARE getting AO322. Stink.
Filmed out of order is totally possible. Especially if it’s just a couple of scenes.
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It would be a complete and total lie if I said that didn’t cross my mind. I don’t put stock in it, but it definitely did cross.
ETA: Oh, and slurpeez? With that post, I think you have definitely taken up permanent residence in the Tent of Eternal Optimism. Er, Tent of Limited-Time Optimism, anyways.
In the last couple of days, I have pretty firmly convinced myself we will get neither MO322 nor DO322, and will somehow get Ambiguity on 322. HOW they will manage that, I am not sure, but somehow they will do SOMETHING to not give us the answer. My mantra right now is “Ten days… tendaystendaystendays,” and they are going to do something to leave the tiniest kernel of hope and it HACKS me off. Just watch!!!
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You know, reading again, she says “people who filmed it,” which I actually take to mean the film crew. Is the season ending with something that does not involve the cast? What on earth?
ETA: Lecygne, where did you get that from?
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I actually think Cora is a really pretty name. I’m not sure if it would work in this circumstance though, lol. But between the show and Other Roomie’s mom, I’m not sure I can ever look at it the same way again…
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Burned at a stake? Yikes! Don’t suppose that one could be about Hook… (Kidding, kidding. Despite the fact that I am on the deadHook train, I actually *don’t* wish him to go that way. Or anyone, for that matter.
Yeah, there were some interesting bits in that interview. I suspect the baby name thing is NF-related, sigh. Cassidy as a name might be nice… I had kind of adjusted to Leo as the name, lol. Would that really make Ginny tear up every time?
ETA: Oh. How can they make a final twist without the cast knowing? That is… interesting. Or I guess she said only the involved cast know, so maybe a couple of people know, just not everyone? Funny to think of the cast watching their own show to see what happens, lol. They have a way of only telling a few people things – like Ginny & Josh knew about the curse, or JMo & RC knew about Neal/Bae. ‘Tis interesting.
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Slurpeez said –
This is the single best explanation I’ve read yet about why Emma is acting the way she is, and it totally makes sense of why Emma couldn’t see the storybook!
I think your point about the storybook is really excellent. I had interpreted that scene as the storybook not appearing for Emma, because it only appears for Mary Margaret, but it would definitely make more sense that it was there and Emma did not see it. The thing is fueled by hope, faith, and belief in happy endings. It’s pretty hard to be hopeful, or have belief in a happy ending when yours died in your lap days prior.
One of the things that I think is really interesting about this season is that we’ve spent a LOT of it examining Emma’s reactions to lack of Neal. The season opens with her thinking he’s dead; we go four or five episodes before she has the possibility he’s not. There was reference long ago to the fact that we see her doing pullups on the Jolly Roger – she never SAYS a word about not being able to hold onto his hand over the portal, but they did SHOW it. We see her talk to her parents about how pissed she is – not at HIM but the situation. Then she reacts to him being alive; with her normal Emma confliction of feelings. Thankfully Neal is pretty awesome and is totally cool with it. 😉 They never REALLY get the chance to deal with what life would look like if he’s alive, and there’s a chance – we got a hot minute of it with the “moments” scene with Charming but then the curse got repealed and he’s gone again. We DO see him have genuine sorrow for him that he has to go “back there,” so clearly she understands that piece of his story and has sympathy for him.
We go into the year break, and Emma gets another year of “Neal is the scum who left me alone, pregnant and in prison.” When she comes out of that via memory potion, I think the flashes that are shown are really telling – I have a list around here somewhere, maybe I’ll type it up this afternoon. Then we launch into 312-315, where she’s all, “Where’s Neal? Where’s Neal?” Her line, “Not the first time I’ve dated a flying monkey” is peculiar, too… is she currently dating him? LOL. Anyways, she tries to play it cool, but my roomie LOVES to make fun of Emma during this time period – to her, as a GA viewer, Emma was really transparent in her worry. (Which is funny, because she really didn’t ask for him THAT many times.) What is Emma’s mindset during this period? You have to think, what was she planning to say to him when she finally saw him? How was she viewing their relationship? I have to think that there was a shift during that week, because their scene in the woods had an ease and light to it that we hadn’t really seen in their prior scenes. It wasn’t quite the lightness of ten-years-prior “Tallahassee,” but they fell into a VERY easy routine and she didn’t fight it. And then – to paraphrase her own words – she had him back for the briefest of moments before she lost him once more.
We’ve had the opportunity to see Emma in every stage of possibility with Neal this season, and I have to think that’s for a reason. More importantly, EMMA has had that opportunity. Which is better? We examined this in Echo Cave, where it might have been better to lose him than deal with things, but is it, really? Is it better to life in that place of misunderstanding she was in NY where he was scum, or deal with the understanding in Storybrooke of why he left, and that she understands with her head, but in her heart, it still hurts?
Unfortunately, if this is what they are trying to tell, I think A&E give the audience a little too much credit for reading into these things. Obviously they transmit through to a certain, subconscious degree – it’s why I’m here, why I was inexplicably drawn to ship these two – but there is a TON of their story told through subtext. And as much as I love unpacking things, and finding the breadcrumbs strewn episode-to-episode, it’s really hard for the it to compete with the “pirate who pines” in the minds of the GA audience. If we don’t get MO322, I think it’s this subtle style of storytelling that cost us the poetic love story that should have been Once. And it sucks that a miscalculation cost us that.
But then, they are still trying to tell it with subtext. They bothered trying to tell it that way in 3×19. Why? WHY lay out that Snow/Emma parallel with Zelena, of how terrible it would be for Snow wandering town looking for (dead) Charming and having no idea where he’d gone or what he’d given up in the process? Why sprinkle all of those pieces of story throughout 3×19 if this story is finished? That’s what puzzles me, so very much, even as I am “told” we are going CS. I know you can read a lot into things, and sure, you could say that maybe NYC pizza is just NYC pizza. But stealing the car, that’s a Known Thing. Bothering to dredge up a long-forgotten necklace is a Known Thing. This story is so bizarre. I just can’t figure out what they’re doing here, and all I’m left to hope is that they are trying to tell the CS surface story to appease the masses while still trying to get back to their core and long-planned SF story.
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Interesting framing note – clip 2 opens prominently on a broken wheel. More wheel of time references?
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This half-season has been FUN? Hardly.
Macy, welcome! I am starting to forget who all is in the tent with me and I LOVE it. Come over to the optimistic side, we have cookies!! (Okay okay – the cookies are RG’s and in the foyer available to everyone, but you can bring them into the tent with you :p)
Head in the tent of doom but heart in the tent of optimism… sounds about right. Despite the fact that I am apparently Tent President, I DO oscillate a ton, but I just keep ending up back in the Tent.
I want to pick out a couple of things you said and expound on them –
…storywise there are more hints and foreshadowing for SF than there ever have been for CS. These can’t have been there by accident…
I think it was a tweet by JMo, back when someone asked about the 8:15, that explained there were no coincidences. The show is patterned after Lost, and I have learned quickly that certain items appear and certain turns of phrase, they are not accidents. To harp on my current fav, you don’t *accidentally* have a kid ASK for the keys so that he can steal his Mom’s car, when his parents’ backstory is that of car thief parents who discussed asking for the keys. It’s an intentional thing. The question is, why do these things pop up? As they plot out the seasons and episodes, they are either forward-planning (putting a reference in intending to use it in the future) or culling backwards, looking for history to pop into the scenes. Price of Gold is obviously forward-planned; they plotted Tallahassee/the Neal-Emma backstory and littered it through S1. Things like the Henry carthief moment are culled backwards. But the bus reference? I’m not sure – my guess would be it just happened to fall in that 2×15 scene, and someone grabbed it and pulled it into 3×19 as more than happenstance. But still, they took the time to do that, and that’s A Thing.
And it got me wondering “when was the last time she seemed like Emma?” and that’s when it hit me and I really understood: before 315.
This is a brilliant point. It’s one that has occurred to me, too, but I don’t think has ever been discussed. Emma smashes stuff down, that’s what she does. Aside from immediately after, we haven’t seen her react to his death. We saw her react in Neverland, so we know how she “should” react but we just get… nothing. I was thinking after 3×19 that she just seems… flat to me. There are no peaks or valleys to her emotions; the closest she has gotten to any sort of emotion is snapping at Henry. She NEVER snaps at Henry, never ever. She could have slapped him and I think he would have been less hurt.
I don’t know if they are delaying her reaction by using her characteristic of burying things down, or if we are supposed to be reading her flatness as a subtext of grief and they never plan to handle it. But she is definitely off, so so so walls up right now – the closest I can think of her being this walls-up is in the opening scenes of the Pilot, with Ryan, where she is just ruthless and badass and mean and doesn’t give a crap. She’s got so much pent up hurt she slammed the guy’s head into his steering wheel for no reason, really. She’s had walls-up since then, certainly, but since Henry’s been around the max wall height has been lower. Until now. They’re higher even than they were in Neverland, but that makes sense – seeing your love fall through a portal alive and “knowing” he’s dead is not the same as having him die in your lap. Especially not with all of the guilt and responsibility that, as you said, comes between Echo Cave and the magical separation.
I’d just like to see Emma have a good breakdown cry over this. Seriously, you don’t witness a death – ANYONE’S death, let alone your love and child’s father… even if you want to say she was over him, he was still her first love and child’s father – and have NO reaction. It’s ridiculous. Weep, child! Perhaps they’re setting her up to go off the rails, I dunno. I doubt it, but that would be more consistent than what we are getting. Anyways. Just wanted to say you’re not alone in this thinking. I’d love to hope that we’ll see it dealt with in the next three episodes, but in all honesty, I’m more hopeful for MO322 than Emma handling her grief. Maybe – maybe – after the WWW is gone, she’ll take a moment to breathe and deal, but I’m not hopeful. They don’t get to deal with their emotions in Storybrooke anymore, it’s just one plot point after another.
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