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P.S. does anybody know if A + E wrote for the Alice and Robin characters, or did they get another writer to handle them? Because I feel that, in the case of Alice/Tilly at least, she had a different feel about her compared to any characters we’ve seen before.
It’s hard to know what A and E interject into all the stories, even if other writers are the credited creators of any particular episode. But for Alice/Robyn they can be credited for: –The Eighth Witch (which introduced Robin and Alice’s relationship, right before the Curse took them) –Secret Garden (which only featured Robin) –Flower Child (which featured both characters but was more about Gothel) –Leaving Storybrooke The main Alice and Alice/Robin stories were: –The Girl in the Tower (Dana Horgan and Leah Fong) –The Guardian (David H Goodman and Brigitte Hales
This is exactly why we need more women writers. I think A + E did a well above-average job creating female characters, but that’s not saying much tbh, especially considering some of their motives were often so… stereotypical/sexist (especially Zelena imo – jealousy induced rampage… really?).
[adrotate group="5"]"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Ya’know…it’s weird. But a few years ago I swore off any A and E project after OUAT but if it was a Robin/Alice spin off….I’d be there with bells on.
Same.
Alice was undoubtedly the best thing this show has done since season 2, imo at least.
Both Alice and Robin were underutilized, the Nook/Alice and Robin/Zelena relationships still had a ton of millage, and Alice’s powers weren’t explored nearly enough for my liking. All these things can be further explored in a spin-off that focuses on just them, or a small band of female characters might be a cool idea too.
Though if they did do a spin-off I’d have to ask them to leave Older Henry, New Cinderella, and Lucy out of it. God that whole family was just so insipid.
P.S. does anybody know if A + E wrote for the Alice and Robin characters, or did they get another writer to handle them? Because I feel that, in the case of Alice/Tilly at least, she had a different feel about her compared to any characters we’ve seen before.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"<em style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.75);”>5) If you could change anything about S7B what would it be?
Let us begin.
My very first change would be at the end of 6B –
no Lucy, no adult Henry. It would have ended with a portal opening in SB before a white rabbit hops through, followed by a mysterious cloaked figure.
Season 7A would not have Older Henry, Lucy, or this version of Cinderella. Their whole romance was boring and the actors had zero chemistry. Instead, Alice would come to Storybrook looking for a cure for her father’s poisoned heart. She would meet Henry and season 7A would have been about our Henry going to FTL to find his own adventure and help Alice cure her father. And although I HATE the whole time nonsense, I would have to find a way for Robin to age up, because I need Madarcher in my life and on my screen (perhaps Alice and Henry try messing with time to stop her father getting poisoned in the first place but instead end up in future Storybrook?)
Henry should have had adventures with these girls and the portal-opening rabbit, their back stories should have been slowly revealed, they should have revisited lots of different realms, and Nook should have been introduced, along the reveal of Gothel as the Big Bad/Alice’s mother. I would have kept Alice as the girl in the tower (I actually thought having a baby to break blood magic was a genius solution to Gothel’s problem! Albeit kinda evil…), along with the plot of Belle dying and Rumple trying to find a way back to her through means of the Guardian.
Gothel should have been the last surviving magical being from what is now the land without magic, after humans slaughtered all the magical creatures – her motive for wanting to end all human life in the LWOM and repopulate it with magical creatures from FTL. Season 7A should have ended with Alice saving her mother by showing her that she was not alone anymore, and that her people were not dead as long as they both were alive. Gothel should have been offered redemption after witnessing the genocide of her people, not condemnation. Season 7A’s finale scene should have been Henry waking up on the streets of Hyperion Heights as a homeless youth with one friend – local ‘crazy girl’ Tilly.
I would have had the cursed personas the same as far as Rumple, Nook, Zelena, and Regina are concerned. Their mission would be to break the curse Drizella put on them. I would like to explore a ‘what if Wish Rumple tried the curse again but with a different witch’ scenario. The key to breaking the curse lies with Alice, who can remember everything, as long as she’s off her pills. Henry breaks the curse by kissing his mother’s forehead and everyone goes back home, but Wish Rumple isn’t done yet.
I liked the idea Wish Rumple had to separate all the characters into different realms, and really liked the scene where Nook won’t let go of Alice even though it was killing him. I think Rumple should have had flashbacks to him letting go of Neil, and that this should be the reason Rumple gives his heart to a dying Nook, not the whole bad bromance thing. Rumple dies and gets reunited with Belle AND NEIL(!!), while Wish Rumple is stripped of his power and sent to another dimension after Alice – who was the Guardian all along – breaks his dagger.
The series should have ended with the whole cast in Storybrooke, with Henry telling a stunned Emma, Hook, Snow, and David all about his adventures before another portal opens up in Granny’s. Ending scene:
Henry: “That’s my cue. I’ll be back in time for Christmas. Wouldn’t want to miss her first, after all” looks down at baby Hope
everyone says goodbye to Henry as he walk through the portal where on the other side Alice, Robin, Nook, the rabbit, and perhaps a newly redeemed Drizella are waiting for him so they can start a new adventure
Emma too quiet for anyone to really hear: “Have fun kid”
portal closes behind Henry as he waves to his family in the cafe
It’s a good close, but also leaves the possibilities open for a spin-off.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"1) What was your favorite episode of S7B?
Girl in the tower
2) What was your least favorite episode of S7B?
Flower child
3) What was your favorite/least favorite moment of S7B?
Fave –
Any Alice/Robin scenes, and Alice/Nook scenes (including their cursed personas’ interactions).
Alice saved herself.
Nook sacrificing/being prepared to sacrifice everything for his daughter
Alice being able to see through the ‘fog’ of the curse
Least fave –
any Ella/Old Henry stuff. This romance was so underwhelming istg
Dr. Facillier’s wasted potential
The ease with which Gothel was defeated
4) We didn’t really meet any new characters in S7B but overall, which character who hadn’t appeared in S1-6 did you most enjoy? And which one did you not enjoy at all?
Alice! Alice! Alice!!! And Tilly
Rose Reynolds did such an amazing job with both Alice and Tilly. I’m actually really gutted they didn’t have her any sooner or won’t be able to take her further
5) If you could change anything about S7B what would it be?
Ho boy! This one’s getting it’s own post!
6) Did OUAT deserve another year? Or was it right to cancel it now?
I don’t think OUAT needs another season, but Alice and Robin need a spin-off for sure
7) Final Grade/Ranking for S7B?
With the exception of a couple of well rounded newly introduced characters I think this season barely made an impression on me – 7/10… though ‘disappointed’ is too strong a word, so I guess: underwhelmed but not surprised
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Ok, so I just watched the very last episode and, even though I’ve had a love-hate relationship with this show it’s still been mostly love, and I’m sad now. As much as I hate to admit it I’m gonna miss the hell out this stupid, nonsensical, obnoxiously charming show 🙁
Liked:
Nook holding on to Alice despite it killing him – I think they should have done something with this, like give Gold flashbacks to him letting go of Neil. I think that would explain why he gave his heart to an old enemy a lot better than just putting in some throwaway line about Nook being his friend.
Mixed;
Alice and Robin in Storybrooke – Two things about this;
I think they should have used the bean to go to 2018 Zelena instead of going to Storybrooke. Although I’m glad we got to see the town again I really don’t think they should have gone the whole time-travel route with this series (at all. Ever!!).
However, since they DID decide to go this route I really wish they’d have given more time to this part of the episode, especially Robin trying to convince Zelena that she was little Robin all grown up. It would have been cool to have a bit of a show down between Zelena and Alice after she catches them in her house or something – anything to extend that part of the episode and give Alice and Zelena a bonding scene (like Robin got with Nook). And maybe have little Robin interacting with Alice – maybe giving her a flower or something cute like that.
Disliked;
Not enough Nook, Alice, Robin, Regina, and Zelena.
Too much Henry
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"bed – Naveen wed – Facillier (sorry….I’m attraxted to power
) behead – Wish!Hook. Sorry. Still not doing it for me. 
Really? Nook really impressed me with his undying devotion to Alice, if I could wed him without having to bed him then I would (don’t know how we’d make little Nooks without… nooking… but I’m sure with all the magic in the newly united multi-realm realm we’d find a way 😉 )
Naveen was a really disappointing character to me tbh, kinda like a wet dish cloth compared to Tiana.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"I’m crying reading through this thread XD
Now that I’m caught up on season 7
Bed – Gothel! She… was so hot!
Wed – Nook! What a great dad!!!
Behead – Drucella(sp?)! I hated how easily she walked away from all the crap she caused – and she tried to kill her little sister not a minute before they let her walk through that portal to safety, presumably with full custody???
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Well… visiting this old-as-dirt thread to comment on the fact that they actually did a really good job portraying someone with a mental health issue – who also happens to be gay (it’s almost like the writers decided to stalk this site in an attempt to catch a clue?)!!! Alice is, imho, the most interesting and compelling character this show has ever introduced. I loved her sooo much! The actress did an amazing job of portraying a lesbian and someone with a mental health issues. I really like how her character was written, as well as the way other characters interacted with her.
She was never portrayed as someone undeserving of love, and any attempt to dismiss her because of her mental state backfired. Loved it.
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"They really don’t give a rodent’s rectum about continuity, do they?
Jafar was a bad*** in Wonderland, but here? He’s so weak! Why didn’t they just make him a different character? Where does his story fit in with Wonderland? I thought Jafar’s father was the Sultan of Agrabah, so unless this happened AFTER he was imprisoned as a genie then it doesn’t make any sense! Or am I missing something here?
WHAT IS GOING ON?
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"Oh, so that scene where Zelena goes to Hedes wasn’t her trying to distract him to give Belle a chance to prick her finger? I thought she was trying to buy her some time, because she didn’t seem that into him or being in his room of doom at all.
I stopped watching, so I don’t know but – is she into him then???
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"
