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It’s interesting that Emma’s wearing a dress. She usually only wears them in situations where she’s playing a role, like in the Pilot or in S5 when she tried to seduce Hook. I do wonder if they’re hinting at the same thing here. Thing is, she’s already chosen to remain as the Saviour, so I can’t imagine how she’s not being her true self.
So the question is do you find any sort of Watsonian analysis fruitful with OUAT because it seems that the world building and characterizations are very inconsistent to the point where the only explanation is “things happen because A&E want it to happen”. What do you think?
No, I think a Watsonian analysis of OUAT is pointless. This is exactly what makes discussions about the show so frustrating.
But this is nevertheless an interesting topic. My understanding is that you can rely solely on a Watsonian perspective with some material, provided that it has adequate internal consistency. You can rely solely on a Doylist perspective too, but this would greatly reduce the enjoyment you get from the story. With OUAT and most other things, people use a combination of the two. It starts getting interesting when people use different perspectives for the same situation.
For example, take the time the Charmings kidnapped Malificent’s baby. There are many who take a Doylist view on this and conclude that this seemingly out of character arc came about because the writers were out of ideas but wanted to give the couple something to do. Hence, these people are not inclined to hold the Charmings morally accountable for this act. Those applying a Watsonian perspective however, might reason that the Charmings have been known to act selfishly before, and therefore this was completely in character.
Which perspective is more valid? Are they always equally valid, or there situations where one might be more valid than the other? Is it hypocritical to take a Watsonian view of your most hated character’s misdeeds while taking a Doylist view of your favourite’s?
Yep, the Doctor Who line is far more lyrical!
But I like this line from Emma. It provides the gritty, pessimistic world view that was such a characteristic of Season 1 Emma. Besides, it’s refreshingly dark compared to all the syrupy sweet stuff about ‘happy endings’ that all the characters blather on about these days. Also, it’s true. Impermanance is a fact of life and saying goodbye to the people you love is always hard, no matter when it happens.
Rating: 5.5/10
General thoughts: I was looking forward to this episode and really wanted to like it. Unfortunately, it didn’t live up to the hype. The story was simplistic and most of the important questions were not answered.
Likes:
– The actors who played Jasmine and Aladdin.
– The Wicked Sisters scenes.
– Emma FINALLY telling her family about her vision.
– Aladdin telling Jasmine that her kingdom was suffering long before Jafar came along. Power to the peasants!! I wish someone would say a similar line to Snow!
– Regina saying what we’ve all been wondering – why isn’t she in Emma’s vision?
Mixed
– Aladdin’s accent. WTH?!!
– The shears. Fate, predetermination, choice – these are weighty topics. Trust OUAT to ‘cut’ through all the complexity with a quick snippety snip from a golden macguffin.
Dislikes:
– The many, many questions left unanswered in this episode. How in the world did Jasmine know that Aladdin had magic? How and why did Jasmine end up in TLUS? Why did Aladdin finally reject Saviourhood? How does Jasmine know her kingdom is in peril when she was stuck in TLUS?
– The predictability of the Jasmine/Aladdin flashbacks.
– The tracking spell able to link light magic together. Honestly, these tracking spells acquire new powers every season.
Sorry, I misread what you had written! Which why none of what I said will make any sense
Oh, well, makes more sense now!
Well EQ wouldn’t crush the heart because that would kill them both.
I didn’t say the EQ would be the one to crush it. But somebody might, and that would kill them both.
And we know that the heartless can live without their hearts provided that they are kept intact. So a heart split wouldn’t need to happen for this to play out.
Not sure what you mean by this. If Regina’s heart was fatally injured while in the EQ, it would kill her – both of them, I mean. And if that happened, someone splitting their heart for Regina would be one known way to revive her.
I don’t think the writers introduced Newton’s Third Law just to show Snow White getting back into her groove again. I think it is a hint on how to reintegrate Regina and the EQ. Perhaps, for reintegration to occur, our heroes need to create the opposite of the original serum, perhaps with ”opposite” ingredients, the same ingredients combined backwards, or at the very least, ingredients that when combined have the opposite effect or reaction to the original. (Fingers-crossed they know the formula for the one that created the separation). Alternatively, (seeing as the formula was mostly created by science and is therefore probably subject to many of the laws of physics), the reintegration will occur naturally without intervention, that only time is needed for reintegration to occur. If I am right, no doubt Snow White would be the one to propose using Newton’s Third Law in some way to reintegrate the EQ back into Regina, or mention this law to someone else who then makes the link between this and the serum.
You could well be right. But the science lover in me shudders to think of how that conversation would go!
Yes I still think it’s Emma but now I’m wondering which version of Emma is under the hood–original or the split version?
But Emma knows that trying to kill a doppelganger is pointless, so why would she try that on her own?
Do we think that the EQ could rip out Regina’s heart and/or use it in her own body?
Now that is interesting! I suspect if she did, then piercing or crushing her heart would kill her, as it’s the original heart. But then Regina would die too. Maybe that’s what the ep ‘Heartless’ is about? The only way to save Regina if this comes true would be for someone to split their heart with her. Zelena? That would really solidify their sisterly bond.
Why would she do that… Do you think she wants to feel love for others?
But she should already be capable of love…Hyde was, and that episode made it clear that the doubles retained the capacity for love just as the originals retained the capacity for evil.
