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I think TLK clearly exists as a trope on OUAT. It’s just that the writers are not consistent because it is inconvenient for them to follow their own established laws of magic. We’ve seen in Skin Deep that the the dark one curse clearly is a curse that can be broken with TLK, but it stopped working when Rumple pulled away because he didn’t want it then. Later, however, Rumple’s dark one curse should have been easily broken by TLK with Belle once he decided that he didn’t want it anymore.
In other words, the fact that TLK has repeatedly failed to break the Dark One curse is proof that it can break the Dark One curse? I don’t think the writers are being inconsistent about that.
TLK, when it works, is quick. There’s an instantaneous whoosh with a distinctive visual effect, and the curse is completely broken. That didn’t happen happen with Rumpel and Belle. Even their first kiss, which seemed to be slowly transforming him before he pulled away, had a different visual effect from the whoosh.
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In Ouat true love’s kiss has broken many curses. The curse with Emma and Henry then later with Regina and Henry. Snow and Charming, true love kissed. Belle and Rumpel almost true love kissed, but Rumpel didn’t want it, so it stopped working halfway.
Sure, and that would give strength to the legend of True Love’s Kiss, like all of the craziness attributed to the full moon in the real world. No reason TLK has to really be that way in-universe, or that it has to be that way completely. Maybe it only works on certain kinds of curses. Maybe the Dark One isn’t even a curse; after all, it started as a backfired perversion of a blessing, not as a plan to deliberately hurt people.
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It depends how they handle Rumple’s death. There’s a young adult novel called Tuck Everlasting. It deals with the idea that living forever is not something to wish for but really a curse. Rumple might not want to kill himself. After all, he still has Gideon and Henry to consider. Rumple just doesn’t want to be immortal since it has become a burden to him. He has already lived for centuries. He might just want to die a natural death.
Sounds like the concept of “shanshu” (or however they spelled it) on Angel, which shares some writers with OUAT. (That show had a much better take on redemption and happy endings than OUAT has shown so far.)
I still don’t get why he just doesn’t go kiss Gideon on the forehead. True love’s kiss should break any curse! It should have with Belle. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I think it’s more of a “just-so story” than a law of physics. Some people saw it happen a few times — entirely reasonable, since people tend to kiss their loved ones during times of great sorrow and loss and all that — and came up with an idea to explain it, and since their explanation sounds cool it sticks around even when the hypothesis has been disproven.
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Isn’t suicide what we’re already dealing with for Rumple’s story this season though? His goal in life now is to figure out how to get himself mortal specifically so he can die and get back to Belle. Even if all the years instantly catch up to him when he relinquishes the Dagger and he drops dead right away, that’s still him committing suicide. Disturbing message or not, his story is that he’s making a concerted effort to see that his life comes to an end ASAP so he can see Belle again.
If someone says “I literally can’t live without this other person,” then it’s a warped and broken mess of emotions. It’s mental illness, not love, and it’s also manipulative in the extreme. Saying “I’m not getting what I want, so I’m going to kill myself” is the opposite of the giving that love is all about.
Rumpel wanted to get rid of the dagger decades (subjective time) before Belle’s death. The task probably seems more urgent to him now that he’s returned to the cruel world from his idyllic, stress-free cabin realm — Rumpel knows that he breaks under pressure, that he’s a ticking time bomb — so Belle’s death is part of why he’s doing what he’s doing now, but this quest isn’t about Belle.
It’s okay and normal to be really, really sad after a loss, and to hope to be reunited with departed family in an afterlife, but the dead, if they could speak, would not want their loved ones to hurry the process along.
If Disney is portraying suicide as some sort of ultimate romantic testimony, then they’re being — words fail me — irresponsible.
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About Rumple making a deal with Regina, and people worried about him backsliding…I think the favour she owes him is gonna be to kill him. That’s his whole goal this season, to die and get back to Belle, so someone’s gonna have to kill him, and he’s putting faith in Regina being able to do it for him.
That’d be a very disturbing message, that suicide is a way to rejoin a dead loved one. Rumpel wants to get rid of the Dark One curse and pass it to someone who will guard it responsibly, and that will at least result in the return of Rumpel’s mortality and probably his immediate death, but that’s an extraordinary situation. *Everybody* loses someone important at some point, and it hurts a lot, but True Love doesn’t tell us to give in to that pain. That’s something else talking.
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i think the answer is more , the writers forgot about that part?
In the EF2 flashbacks this episode, Regina was dealing with the pain of no longer feeling that Henry needed her. In the time between the EF2 and HH scenes, Henry got married, settled down, and started a family — and all of that could have reinforced Regina’s perception that he wasn’t her little boy anymore.
Getting her memory back in Hyperion Heights may be the first time in many years that Regina feels that Henry needs her. Before she calls for help, she’s going to try to be that help.
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–Henry defended himself with a Tron lunchbox.
That provides a point for the timeline: Tron: Legacy was released in late 2010, and Regina says she bought the lunchbox for Henry when he was 10. (Of course, Regina could have bought it much later than 2010.)
I don’t remember if we already had all that information. The lunchbox looks familiar, from more than just the photo.
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–However almost no time at all has passed for Regina from the time Henry left SB to the time they found each other in EF 2.0; so again we have to assume that time passes more quickly in the EF 2.0 than it does in our universe..
For a skilled sorceress, a fairy wand and a sample of blood taken at the appropriate age can be a reset button to keep a person young and healthy forever. Of course, that’s EF2 magic, which works differently from EF1 magic, but realm travel is easy now. But that would change everything, so it’s not going to happen.
Actually, I’d like to think that Regina must live out the remaining lifespans of all of her victims, because all magic comes with a price. Imagine the dawning horror she’d feel as that realization began to sink in.
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I wonder if they’ll ask her to dye her hair red to be obviously Zelena’s daughter.
Since she’s “struggling to define her identity” by breaking away from her mother’s influence — and to keep things simple for Riverdale — I’d guess no.
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They want us to think it was Alice but Rumple did almost bump into Henry seconds before Alice.
That would be tidy, bringing back Rumpel’s “the boy will be your undoing” prophecy.
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