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hjbau
ParticipantI don’t think this promo somehow proves it is not Hook. The promo doesn’t even talk about Charming’s father. It is making it seem like it has something to do with Snow waking up when we know that is not the case. I think that it is possible that Hook killed Charming’s father because George hired him and for them to still have Charming approve of the proposal. Stuff like that happens all the time on this show. Regina almost killed Henry with the apple turnover, sort of did kill him, and yet she was still being asked to baby sit and was invited to dinners.
It is possible that Charming is somehow being spelled or something weirdly magical is going on because this show does random things all the time that make no sense. Those things happening though don’t make any sense at all and they should not be what happen, in my opinion. The only thing that would actually make sense was that Hook killed Charming’s father because George hired him.
The location being the same, i don’t think proves anything either. It is just as likely that they are castsome sort of locator spell. Charming goes off to find George alone after locking Hook to that car. Charming threatens George. Hook comes in. George sees Hook. George tells Charming about Hook’s involvement. Charming threatens Hook. Charming has a conversation with his non corporeal ghost father later. Charming gets some sort of insane forgiveness is good talk from his father. He forgives Hook. Hook talks about wanting to marry Emma; we can hope he doesn’t actually ask. They have some sort of weird heartfelt moment that should not exist, but this is Ouat. Charming gives his permission.
It could go some other way because Ouat is the worst written show i have ever watched, but that all fits and is the Black Fairy even in this episode? The promo which is clearly trying to confuse the general audience doesn’t prove anything.
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ParticipantI think Hook is the only actual divisive character on the show. There are people that are not big fans or Regina, but i don’t see a lot of hatred for her. Most people like Emma, Regina, and Rumpel. All of the characters have had their divisive moments and i do see people talking about Regina having a lot of screen time, but it is not even in the realm of how upset people were with the overuse of Hook in Season 5.
I don’t think the ratings are coming back up on this show no matter what they do though. Whether Hook stays or goes is not going to matter. If they had gotten rid of him earlier the show might have been saved, but it is too late now.
hjbau
ParticipantThe entire problem of this show is that the writers don’t sit down and figure out where their characters are at and how they would react to what just happened to them, for example, going to hell, almost dying, being the dark one, having a second child, abandonment issues, then try to figure out what stories they could use to facilitate showing where their characters are at. Instead, they do it backwards. They think of the story they went to do next, like Camelot and then make the characters fit the plot, so that the writers can write about Camelot.
That just does not work. It isn’t, in my opinion, that this show has tired itself out, though at this point it is too late, but that the show does not write character, so it has just become this monotonous thing where the new characters are constantly appearing, characters we don’t care about, and then they show their story and the characters leave without any real growth from the main cast, the characters we actually care about. And most of us care about the characters because in the first few seasons their stories, their decisions, actually drove the plot, but it has been seasons since that was the case.
Now the plot is entirely moved forward by external things that happen to them, like Hyde coming to town or Gideon being kidnapped or the Evil Queen cursing Snow and Charming. The characters did choose to separate the Reginas, but the only consequence has been the Snow and Charming curse and that will be done in one episode and be forgotten. They have not used the two Reginas being separated to show us anything new about Regina as a character and where she is at characterwise. That is true of all the characters. These things happen to them and then the plot moves on and it is forgotten.
hjbau
ParticipantI think they could build a show around Regina, but not with Zelena there. Their bickering is a low point for the show right now and that would be the problem, in my opinion. They can’t keep just those two villains and expect the show to work. I, also, don’t want Hook on the show. They would have to introduce an entirely new protagonist and i think they have to be female. I am not sure how that would work and i don’t think the writers get any of that.
I don’t get how they are going to finish off Regina’s arc or even what it is anymore. The problem being that Regina has been finished off for a couple of seasons now. Really, the entire show has been finished off and that is why it doesn’t really work because it doesn’t have a plot. The plot went with Neal and so it has just been sort of existing now.
hjbau
ParticipantI think at this point, the best we can hope for is that Eddy and Adam don’t show run anymore. It is hard because they write supernatural/fantasy shows when so few shows are like that, but they do it so badly that they should just not be allowed to show run. They should just go back to writing.
They are actually pretty good writers. Their episodes are usually pretty good, but they have no business running a show and after the quick cancellation of Dead of Summer and Once in Wonderland only getting one season, and now with the mess that Ouat has become, i can only hope that ABC just lets them go after Ouat is over.
hjbau
ParticipantFor me, it is less that Emma, Snow, and Rumpel are just phoning it in and more that their characters have no heart anymore. The writing is bad. There is nothing in the writing that is interesting anymore, so there is nothing interesting to act. Snow hasn’t had a story arc for seasons and Emma and Rumpel’s are both a mess.
hjbau
ParticipantI would watch give it a chance even though i don’t like Zelena. There is probably little chance i would keep watching it though because i don’t think the cast would be good enough. Lana isn’t strong enough to carry this show, in my opinion.
hjbau
ParticipantAlso, don’t you all find odd, or maybe is just me, that after Jmo and Bobby words, seemed like Adam and Eddy had not asked the cast at the beginning of S6,in case they get a s7 if they count with them and also seems that they didn’t talked with the cast about their stories for the season, which makes me wonder if the relationship btw Adam and Eddy and the cast is as good as used to be and as they pretend to show or is more PR than anything else at this moment, and there is no longer a cumplicity like used to exist?
This. This is what i was trying to say. It is really surprising to me how out of touch Adam and Eddy have become with the cast that they seem to not be aware that they might be ready to move on from the show. They should have had these conversations at the beginning of Season 6, not now. Jennifer, in her interview, pretty much acted like she didn’t know what was going on which is ridiculous because she is the lead here.
hjbau
ParticipantI don’t think that ABC and the writers get that it is the characters Emma, Snow, Regina, and Rumpel that people are watching this show for. If they got that then they would focus on that instead of continuing to introduce new characters and giving the plot that has nothing to do with what the main cast is going through. I think they might be waiting for the first episode to come out. They will be filming the last few episodes right after the show comes back. They need to make a decision before that because if the show is cancelled then they can at least add a little bit of an ending like Castle did instead of adding on the next thing.
This is a mess, that it has really come to this. It is really surprising to me that the writers and ABC seemed to fumbling hard when it comes to contracts being up for the entire main cast. They must have realized what that might mean for the show and they should have started thinking about the end back at the beginning of the season. Though these writers and ABC have always seemed to be completely out of touch with how their actors were feeling about the show.
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