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@Gypsy wrote:
I just can’t get past Damon and Carlton saying, the LOSTies didn’t consider what else their decision to blow up jughead would do…i.e. affecting other ppl…their decision created the fact that certain other ppl’s lives didn’t lead them to be on flight 815 and therefore, were not on the island and not at the ‘church’ in the finale. I know the real reasons certain ppl were not in the finale (but, that wouldn’t explain things on the show :/). Ahh, yes, I like that…Regina seeing the apple disappear into our world…really, I totally get you 🙂
Yes, but the producers are talking about the flash sideways when they talk about they didn’t know how it would effect them because this interview has to be before the season was over. They are trying to be secretive. I think that the reason people aren’t on the plane is because some people are not ready to move on yet, like Ben, who was sitting outside the church, not ready to go in yet, but everyone is still there in the afterlife. It is just that all we knew that had happened in the past before the losties went there still happened, so i don’t believe they changed anything.
[adrotate group="5"]That is a really good point, Elle. I totally agree until the characters feel remorse for what they have done they are not going to change. Just acting differently for the sake of others, but not really feeling as if what they have done is wrong is not really redemption.
There are certainly more harmful forms of evil, such as murdering is worse then lying, at least in the eyes of people. It is just that i think Rumpel and Regina have done it all. And honestly i don’t find either of their motivations good reasons to causes the pain and suffering they have caused to their world. They are both evil because they choose to do evil, choose to harm people, to get what they want.
I don’t think Hook is in Storybrooke. I am pretty sure, at least it seems like, that a character is either in Storybrooke or in fairytale land present where Emma and Snow are. A character cannot, as of now, be in both locations at once. So if Cora and Hook are in fairytale land present then they are not in going to be in Storybrooke until they figure out how to return.
Yeah, i get that some people are never going to like the more mythological ending. I really would have felt that a change everything ending or a they were all dead the whole time ending would have been a cop out. I am glad they didn’t do that. Because i think i just think good shows are about choices and to rewrite those choices away as if they were nothing, to take the characters back to square one, to the people they were before they found the island, would have been a cop out. Just because all of them finding the island was so informative for them all in a good way.
I really do think that they did not change the past though in 1977. I know what you are saying about how the skipping of the island that caused them to go back happened first for our characters but being in the past happened second for them, but i do think that they just actualized the past. They just caused what happen already to happen. By trying to stop the incident, they were unknowingly the cause of it, but that incident was always what happened.
And i think that it is important for that to be true for the same reason i think it was important that they not rewrite history when they ended the show or have them all be dead because i think that their choices need to mean something so rewriting history is never a good thing in really good shows. I am really hoping they do not do that in ONCE.
It is sort of like in ONCE though with the apple. They even showed it this way. The apple rolled down the hill after Snow took the bite and fell through a hole into our world and i believe that it always did that. That if Regina had been looking at the apple in that moment she would have seen it disappear into our world, present day.
And they could then show Red learn how to control her powers for the first time in fairytale land while at the same time relearn how to control them in the real world.
I actually really liked the end of LOST. I thought that it was interesting to have this after life peaceful moment. I know it seems like a lot of people wanted a more scientific change the history of the show thing to happen, but i hate stuff like that. I hate when a show rewrites the history of the show at the end of a series. That doesn’t work for me. They never did that in LOST. They even went out of there way to say that everything that happened to everyone was real and their experiences were real and that they were the most informative of their lives and that was important even though some died on the island and others long after. And that was why they all found one another in the after life in the place of waiting.
But the events in 1977 were not happening at the same time as the events in the present day. Those events had already happened at the time of the pilot. The very fact that the hatch, the Swan station, existed is proof that those events had already happened. They even called it the incident before we saw the incident. The reason that the hatch existed and that they had to push the button was because of what the the time traveling losties did when they went back to 1977. They didn’t change anything, they just actualized what we already knew happened.
Things like the Hatch and the incident. Or Faraday telling his girl to leave the island. Or Faraday being shot by his own mother. Or Miles’ father losing his hand. Or the Volkswagen van with the dead guys. Those sorts of things had all already happened and we were just seeing the events that had already happened in the past. The losties did not change anything by going back there.
There is only one storyline in LOST, one history of events and just past, present, and future, no sideways into another word or dimension like in ONCE. I understand they called it a sideways, but they were still only flashbacks and flash forwards.
I think they are going to have Jennifer be the younger Emma, at least i really hope so, so i would think that the same actor that plays the adult present day Bae will most likely play the slightly younger Bae, assuming that he is Henry’s father.
