[jasminegirl84]

@obisgirl wrote:

do you have a link to that study Jasmine? I’d like to read it. my boyfriend has a beard.

Awww, how cute! Yeah, I have nothing against full-on beards, but the study is interesting nonetheless! I have noticed that I am particularly attracted to guys with that type of scruff (Jamie Dornan is another example lol) so the study blew me away!

Edit: Though, on second thought, I don’t know which category Colin would be in…but he does have facial hair…

Here’s the link: Beard Study Shows Heavy Stubble Makes Men Especially Attractive To Women

[jasminegirl84]

Haha. That’s funny. There is also another scientific study that says, I do not kid, that women prefer men with 10-day scruff versus a full-on beard, a 5 o’clock shadow, or no facial hair at all….Hmm…..another reason why we adore Colin. Colin is scientifically and certifiably hot now, but we didn’t need science to prove that lol.

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[jasminegirl84]

Yeah, but because he was without his magical realm, he was more easily killed with common elements like poison. You are right about the magic dissipating in this scenario.

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[jasminegirl84]

I am pondering that now too. Maybe someone can shed light on this with evidence from the show, but I would hazard a guess and say that the magic would fall into the abyss if The Dark One were to kill himself. I could have sworn I heard this somewhere (via interview, podcast, or even the show, cannot remember) too. You are not just postulating, lone.

There might not be a technical death because the dagger seems to be the end of The Dark One, whether it be through control or death. For the sake of simplicity (or it may be more complicated, I dunno?) there has to be a way to kill the Dark One for good with no return in sight. Now, that I think about it, Rumple does mention to Bell in 2×21 that even though you are immortal, that does not mean you cannot be killed. I know he is more specifically referring to his interpretation of the prophecy of his “undoing,” but I would think it also includes the dagger.

Just my two cents.

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[jasminegirl84]

Okay, so instead of quoting the crap out of the past several responses, I am going to sum up what I think of you gals have highlighted so far:

As much as the “I love you” scene was heartfelt, I do see and feel the disappointment of Emma and Neal reconciling so quickly. Neal does treat Emma as if she is still the naive, doe-eyed17-year-old thief who just got out of the foster system and is running lose with the likes of him.

There are many instances where he does not take her seriously, as you all pointed out so well: the kicking the door trick, the tone of annoyance is a bit condescending. I am sure he is annoyed that she broke into his apartment, but it was also a way to sneer at her for being so “childish” and “predictable” in his eyes. His disbelief in her lie-detecting powers was ridiculous too. On that note, it irks me to no end when Snow and Bae both rag on her for being emotional and not being as refined in her lie-detector powers as she thinks she is. We all know that she is amazing that respect. I don’t think there was an instance when she believed someone and it turned out to be a lie. Sure, she believed Bae would come back for her, but when he said that, he believed and planned it himself before August came in the picture.

The lie “mishap” with Greg in the hospital was not a lie that she did not catch. She asked if he saw anything unusual, and he said no because to him, the ball of fire and healing (care of Rumple) is not unusual for him. He is clearly well-acquainted with magic. A&E also point this “lie” oversight in a podcast. So shove it, disbelievers! 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛

One conversation is not going to erase all the hurt and irreversible damage Emma has gone through. Sure, it was a great mini-closure, especially since he was soon going to be dragged into the portal. I think it was a way for the writers to sate the viewers and not leave them hanging too much. If there was no resolution, and Neal went through the portal, there would be too many conflicts and mixed emotions for the fans, I think. It was a calculated and tactical scene that the writers chose to put in, IMO.

Unlike Neal, Hook does not demean Emma. If anything, he revels at her bad-a*sery and brilliance. That is all he has ever done. Sure, he called her a dried-up bean, but he was hurt after all, and it was a symbol of the loss of hope. Anyone notice the parallel of Hook and Emma both having sentimental necklaces around their necks? I am still wondering what the ring on her chain means btw. I also want to know what value the necklace with charms that Hook is wearing mean. I also saw Colin wear it out and about, so I wonder if it was something he owned already and they decided to put it as part of Hook’s wardrobe.

Hook and Emma will enable to grow as characters together because they challenge each other and peer into each others’ souls. They push boundaries of topics that they do not disclose to anyone else as much. I do not see character growth with Emma and Neal, based on the current interactions. Sure, at first glance, I thought the sarcastic remarks that Neal made towards her were funny, but on a second glance, they were demeaning.

I have not lost hope just yet. I am still vouching for a slow-burning candle between those two…then all of a sudden…BOOM. I can see them having a hot scene or two after much build-up and innuendos…they get sick of it, and BOOM… 😆

I had to express my thoughts, even though some of them are already stated! It helps me get it out of my system. I will have to read and look at the links you gals have provided. Also, something I can offer you gals. I like this SF video because to me, it is showing that Neal and Emma aren’t the same people anymore and the lyrics of the song say it all.

Neal & Emma || I Don’t Love You, but I Always Will

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[jasminegirl84]

Oye, can I just complain about a paper I’m writing, and getting e-mail updates of all the juicy theories and ideas you gals are discussing? I feel like Hook all tied up and not being able to go on his ship adventures 😆 So not fair…*pouts* 😥

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[jasminegirl84]

Mystery, you need start writing a fanfic with the awesome dream you had. Tender, yet crucial to the development of their relationship. *swoons* Hook can be so sweet sometimes, can’t he? 😆

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

“always hope on OUAT. They will certainly have some important interaction before season is done.” (I like the word “important.”)

Hmm…*salivates* Yes, me likes “important.” Yes, indeed 😈

@obisgirl wrote:

😀 😀 You guys are awesome.

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 Gotta love the glomps! We need a glomp smiley, but this is MUCH better!

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[jasminegirl84]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p … a8IT1_zd2A (Promo about the show & it’s couples..I spy CaptainSwan…)

Indeed…but again, the ABC promo people might just be teasing us because they definitely aren’t privy to what goes on in A&E’s twisted genius heads… 😈

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

Come to think of Hook’s original promo didn’t they describe him as a CHARMING swashbuckler? (perhaps it was a subtle hint that Emma will find “her” prince charming and that he is in fact one Mr. Killian Jones aka Captain Hook?? (OK I might be grasping at straws here, but at the moment I’ll take anything I can get!!)

Grasping at straws? NOOOOOO 😮 I think Oncers invented grasping at straws

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

I realllly want to know what Killian was like pre-Milah / Neverland. I want to know the man and not just the pirate facade.

I remember when some were saying that Emma needed a man more like her father, a shepherd not a pirate. *Cough* Dread Pirate Roberts *cough* (who doesn’t love Westley??) – I’ve said all along Hook is a cross between Captain Jack Sparrow & Westley in his Dread Pirate Roberts days – now I want to see just Westley, err…Killian – especially if there are any parallels to Charming!

Hmm…that is certainly a good cross reference. I can see that! What’s interesting is that Killian pre-Milah’s death One reminds me of the popular jock at school who bullies people to look cool, especially when he interacts with Rumple, of course.

Even that seems like a front. I want to see his essence! GIVE ME HIS ESSENCE!!!!

Okay, I’m done whining. And glad that you liked that video 😉 I have yet to watch Tangled…so now is a good time as any….I’m very old school in that I grew up with the animated, drawn versions of the Disney movies..still have an attachment to those movies, so it’s still hard for me to watch the Pixar and other computer-generated movies as much lol.

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[jasminegirl84]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

As I said somewhere (and I’m getting all discombobulated trying to remember where at this point), it reminds me of Lost in the sense that Kate was with Sawyer pretty early on and for awhile and then ends up with Jack even though they barely had any positive screentime other than being jealous once in awhile and having a few cute moments early on before being on opposite sides a lot of times. So perhaps SwanFire having some of those moments now means that it won’t be endgame down the line.

Yeah, I agree. IF Hook is romantically linked to Emma in S3, then it may not be endgame. Anything that happens too soon for Emma may not be permanent, but we shall see. I hope maybe it is just a tumultuous relationship that ends up being endgame in the end. I would like to see a love/hate CS relationship that eventually blossoms into TL.

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

I agree with the idea that perhaps Emma will think him dead for awhile, long enough to move on again (just like after Graham) and that she’ll probably have finally opened up to Hook around the time that Neal comes back into the picture and she may be torn at that point.

That is going to be quite a love triangle, but interesting to watch.

But…as you said…
@MysteryKat25 wrote:

Which means, everything that happened last night was the buildup in their minds of how things should have gone if they picked up where they left off ages ago but without making any significant progress regarding the things that kept them apart before. Get that in order and I’ll think about it. Otherwise Hook is still my choice!

It certainly is an “I love you” from the past, so we do not know how the relationship would have panned out based on the residual love they had from way back when. Just because they carry a torch for each other, does not mean it can’t be replaced with a new flame 😀

Honestly I thought that’s what would happen when Tamara first entered the picture as Neal’s fiancee, that Emma would move on to Hook, something would break up Neal & Tamara, and then there’d be a real triangle but we haven’t had any of that. Figures they’d have her first love look like he was dead instead of having her actually choose and/or have to address the past before actually choosing.

I think the writers want us to keep guessing who she is going to end up with. I am hoping that it does not pan out like you mentioned in the Lost reference. Maybe the writers won't copy everything from Lost???? It would be too easy for Lost fans to figure out what is going on. They have to change the plots otherwise it is just Lost in fairytale form, you know?

The only thing I really don’t feel good about is all the “fate” “destiny” stuff they keep throwing around, along with characters like Rumple & Henry blatantly shipping it. I feel like they’re telling us that if Rumple or Henry wants it then it has to happen and I just don’t see why that’s the case. The use of those words throws me a bit too but I’m hoping that over the years of the show they change things up a bit. After all, Belle says she chooses her own fate, so why can’t Emma? She’s been through so much from everybody else manipulating her her entire life, Hook offers a freedom that nobody else can.

Emma marches to the beat of her own drummer and I do not think she is keen to the idea of fate. Neal is, but she isn’t. She likes to make her own choices and you are absolutely dead on with Hook offering her more possibilities. I think you mentioned this in an earlier post, but Hook has not betrayed Emma in the way she has him. Yes, I do think the swordfight was staged so that Emma could win. It was way too easy for Hook to lose like that, especially since we’ve seen him showing some fancy moves with Rumple.

Depending on how he is with Bae when we see that (so excited!) and the lost boys (though not necessarily the sinister ones…maybe the crying ones), he could be very good with Henry if given the chance. I think he’ll drop the facade he’s had up if he spends enough time around Emma and the Charmings, working with them and not constantly worrying about being betrayed (Emma, do not tie him up again and leave him somewhere! He WANTS to work with you, trust him!), then he might become the Killian he once was.

I do think he will. We are seeing little kernels of Killian here and there in his vulnerable moments, and I too can’t wait to see him interact with Bae. He can definitely turn the charm off or on, and it is no different with kids…because he is a pirate, boys would naturally be in awe of him.

I don’t see him begging Emma to go away with him and leave Henry. He saw how hard she fought to get back to her son once and he helped her before she locked him up. He also knows what happened to the last woman who he convinced to run away with him. I don’t think he wants to repeat history.

He won’t. He saw how Emma was willing to leave him on the beanstalk, with Henry being one of the reasons, and the way in which Emma practically begged him to rethink what he was doing when he locked her up in Rumple’s cell.

Plus, it was more Milah asking him to take her away, so there’s that. I also believe we will see Hook realizing who Bae really is and the effect Milah had on leaving him, as well as Rumple. I have a feeling Hook is an orphan too, which is another reason why he is attracted to Neverland. I am not well-read on Hook’s life history in literature, but just a guess. It is also another lovely parallel between Emma and Hook, since she was an “orphan” for a while.

As upset as Henry might be to begin with (he’s still a kid right now, he may be older when endgame comes around) he may actually learn to enjoy Hook’s company. Henry liked swordfighting with Charming and Neal, I bet he would enjoy learning a thing or two from a pirate. It would be kinda cool if they got along, especially if Hook & Bae had a nicer relationship back in Neverland.

There’s no doubt in my mind that he will be good with Henry and that Henry will like him. We need more Henry and Hook time. I think it will be so adorable. What I am hoping for Henry’s character arc is that he too grows up and learns about the shades of gray in relationships and that not everything ends well. Neal cannot be the only one for Emma just because he is his father.

I really do love young Bae with Morraine and now Wendy so perhaps there’s somebody that would be good for him that we just haven’t met yet.

Yep, it will give CS some breathing space too 😉 But, honestly, I do wish Neal a happy ending, regardless of how it happens and who he ends up with. He deserves that with all the sacrifices he has willingly made in his life.

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

Just wanted to remind everyone of another video that is keeping me sane right now along with the one Jasmine posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GqfKYS-gAFk Tangled CaptainSwan Style

Love that video!

I also have another juicy one with Tangled/CS. They show parallels!!!!!

Halo| Hook & Emma + Flynn & Rapunzel

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[jasminegirl84]

Obisgirl, you are a doll for keeping us sane and keeping us going with your articles and I will definitely be watching those two eppies back to back to see the parallels. There is also a video that is nicely done that highlights some of those parallels too (I am sure there are more, but the vidder had done this earlier and she couldn’t put everything in there :))
Like Mother, Like Daughter

I root for Obisgirl being deemed our official cheerleader! She is in our corner!!!!

And I agree with all of your sentiments, MysteryKat!

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