The Captain Swan thread!

[MysteryKat25]

I feel like with SwanFire it would be like going back to high school and being all awkward again because that’s how you were when you were around those people rather than being the strong person you became after you graduated and left.

I completely agree that it would be a step backward for Emma on the growth thing. She’s had a hard life and it has shaped who she is today, I’d hate to see her lose all that spunk and courage and turn back into a school girl for her former love. There are a lot of similarities between Hook and Neal but that’s probably because Hook (apparently) had a huge influence on him when he was still young. I’d still pick Hook, even if he is a pirate. After all, he does have his own moral code and he isn’t the worst pirate out there by a long shot!

Glad I wasn’t the only one who had Spuffy thoughts. Hopefully what we get rights the wrong done there as well…

*Goes to investigate the links now; they sound like they’ll make us all feel better!*

[jasminegirl84]

Okay, so instead of quoting the crap out of the past several responses, I am going to sum up what I think of you gals have highlighted so far:

As much as the “I love you” scene was heartfelt, I do see and feel the disappointment of Emma and Neal reconciling so quickly. Neal does treat Emma as if she is still the naive, doe-eyed17-year-old thief who just got out of the foster system and is running lose with the likes of him.

There are many instances where he does not take her seriously, as you all pointed out so well: the kicking the door trick, the tone of annoyance is a bit condescending. I am sure he is annoyed that she broke into his apartment, but it was also a way to sneer at her for being so “childish” and “predictable” in his eyes. His disbelief in her lie-detecting powers was ridiculous too. On that note, it irks me to no end when Snow and Bae both rag on her for being emotional and not being as refined in her lie-detector powers as she thinks she is. We all know that she is amazing that respect. I don’t think there was an instance when she believed someone and it turned out to be a lie. Sure, she believed Bae would come back for her, but when he said that, he believed and planned it himself before August came in the picture.

The lie “mishap” with Greg in the hospital was not a lie that she did not catch. She asked if he saw anything unusual, and he said no because to him, the ball of fire and healing (care of Rumple) is not unusual for him. He is clearly well-acquainted with magic. A&E also point this “lie” oversight in a podcast. So shove it, disbelievers! 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛

One conversation is not going to erase all the hurt and irreversible damage Emma has gone through. Sure, it was a great mini-closure, especially since he was soon going to be dragged into the portal. I think it was a way for the writers to sate the viewers and not leave them hanging too much. If there was no resolution, and Neal went through the portal, there would be too many conflicts and mixed emotions for the fans, I think. It was a calculated and tactical scene that the writers chose to put in, IMO.

Unlike Neal, Hook does not demean Emma. If anything, he revels at her bad-a*sery and brilliance. That is all he has ever done. Sure, he called her a dried-up bean, but he was hurt after all, and it was a symbol of the loss of hope. Anyone notice the parallel of Hook and Emma both having sentimental necklaces around their necks? I am still wondering what the ring on her chain means btw. I also want to know what value the necklace with charms that Hook is wearing mean. I also saw Colin wear it out and about, so I wonder if it was something he owned already and they decided to put it as part of Hook’s wardrobe.

Hook and Emma will enable to grow as characters together because they challenge each other and peer into each others’ souls. They push boundaries of topics that they do not disclose to anyone else as much. I do not see character growth with Emma and Neal, based on the current interactions. Sure, at first glance, I thought the sarcastic remarks that Neal made towards her were funny, but on a second glance, they were demeaning.

I have not lost hope just yet. I am still vouching for a slow-burning candle between those two…then all of a sudden…BOOM. I can see them having a hot scene or two after much build-up and innuendos…they get sick of it, and BOOM… 😆

I had to express my thoughts, even though some of them are already stated! It helps me get it out of my system. I will have to read and look at the links you gals have provided. Also, something I can offer you gals. I like this SF video because to me, it is showing that Neal and Emma aren’t the same people anymore and the lyrics of the song say it all.

Neal & Emma || I Don’t Love You, but I Always Will

Keeper of: Hook's eyebrow action, Emma's eye-rolls, David's sarcasm, Snow's "She's kind of out of town" to Tiny, and Rumple's "Not telling."

[surayya]

@obisgirl wrote:

On the green portal scene, there was a nice gif setI saw on tumblr with some thoughtful remarks at the bottom, which I think should give us all hope for the future.

Once again Emma did what she thought she had to do to get him to stay. The girl who’s lost everyone, she gives what she thinks people give to people they want to stay. “I love you”, three words that mean forever to so many people, that mean staying, that mean not being alone. But they don’t mean that. Sometimes “I love you” is the same as “Goodbye”.

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I think that nicely sums up my feelings on that scene.

I like that spin on it- still annoyed with the scene, but taken in that context, it makes it much more swallow-able. I just cant remember having seen Emma say/do something like that, without meaning it- anyone got any examples from off the top of their heads ….I need at least 1 proven example to get over that set of scenes 😉

@obisgirl wrote:

I like Baelfire too, he’s a great kid but honestly, I hate the way he’s been so patronizing and belittling Emma this season since he came to Storybrooke with his fiance, whom we all know, is 😈 👿 . I understand that when we hear bad stuff about the people we love, you have the tendency to believe the opposite because you don’t want to think ill will about someone you love. I get that part.

We’ve seen Neal do nothing but smirk and belittle and call into question Emma’s most fundamental beliefs about herself. He has no real idea who she is now. He still thinks of her as that scared trusting 18 year old he knew. And Emma – who has been shown as a character who takes *(please avoid profanity)* from NO ONE – just….lets him. You can see it when she looks at him. After that initial burst of anger, she’s been fairly passive in their interactions. She regresses as person. How is that healthy? How does that make her better?

Exactly!!! I too like young Bae- but Neil really gets up my goat, for those exact reasons- as I’ve said many times before.
The point on Emma’s reaction to him is also true,that’s why I find scenes between those two so ….. bland, it’s like Emma shrivels up, rather than blossoms around Neil atm & the total opposite is true of Emma & Killian/Hook’s interactions- Both times Emma has become ‘better’ than who she has become, has been with Graham & with Hook- but in different ways. Neil turned Emma’s metal armour into titanium plated armour (she wasn’t letting anyone through it for any reason), until Graham- who allowed for a softening in said armour, Henry who got inside with her (despite her kicking & screaming most of the way lol 😉 ) MM/Snow who finally got the whole way in S2E1, Hook allows for her to open up & puts cracks in her titanium armour, Charming gets inside it not long afetr they return to SB (tho I’m not 100% certian on this, as they have so little time together – I did almost melt at that tender father-daughter scene they shared though 😀 ). Neil comes back into the picture & WHAM, BAM thank you maam- Emma’s armour is slammed back into place, like a door on a grizzly bear, in the blink of an eye! & She hasnt really come out of it since NY- at least how I see it anyway 😐

I don’t understand how people can be so pro SF with all the cruel/mean little things Neil does to Emma, yet be so anti CS when none of that kind of thing has taken place between them! But whatever rocks their boats I suppose 😉

@obisgirl wrote:

— that tumblr character post.

After reading that whole post, and you guys really should, tell me how Emma going back to Neal is going to help with her character growth? It won’t. If anything, Emma would probably regress and that would be heart-breaking. She needs to learn to trust again before she can love and going back to the guy who broke her heart, will not help. Hell, I wouldn’t even encourage my own kid to do that if I had one. But she can start trusting Hook, maybe even become friends with him and then, if something romantic happens later — that would be icing on the cake.

But going back to Neal would not be a healthy character development for Emma.

I’ve got the link up now to have a look at next- I don’t do tumbler, find the format hard to navigate.

[surayya]

Ok- too many individual posts that I want to reference- so I’ll just blanket statement this post:

“colin o’pocalypse” – 😯 BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 I hadn’t heard that before now- great 😀

I dont think A&E are lying to us about CS/ Emma & Hook scenes either – I just wish they’d be up front & say out right if a ship has little hope of sailing in their vision of the story at that time- how is ‘we have no plans for that’ or ‘not at this stage’ a hard answer to give IF you know it’s not likely to happen or you have no plans to make it happen- it’s not an out right no, but it does say that for the moment, it’s not on the table (I assume they know everyone’s endgame- who lives & dies etc- as they said Bae/Emma/Henry was planned from day dot, so was Graham’s death etc- so they have the big stuff planned out & the small filler events are the ‘flexible’ thing’s).
I think that is a large part of what is pushing the real aggro shipping wars personally – they keep telling everyone what they want to hear, all the time (in part, to keep people tuning in each week) & that sets up conflict because 2 or 3 groups of people are being told ‘yeah of course that can happen/ anything is possible’, all the mentioned ships are hinted at on screen, their ship becomes expected on all ship sides, people get heavily invested, then when the opposite thing starts to happen on 1 of the ships, resentment starts, grows & quickly turns in to nasty comments etc (although in this case SF fans must have been VERY, VERY concerned by Hook, to be so nasty with their comments now they think SF is canon). To put an example in simple terms- it’s like saying to a bunch of school kids that they can have a chocolate if they get the correct answers on their tests, but then only giving 1/2 of them a chocolate 😉

Yes the fact Neil & Emma have said what they’ve said this early in the game would indicate (under normal circumstances), that SF isn’t endgame (one of the many logic bombs that could be dropped on the nasty SF winners, who keeping hating on CS), but as A&E keep allowing it to be a possibility, it still is a nagging possibility 😉 – one that atm, seems totally at odds with what we have so far been lead to expect 😥 .

Adam out right stated on twitter when asked if we’d have more CS moments/scenes – ‘there will be plenty (or many) of Emma & Hook scenes’ or something to that effect (that was during the break approx 4eps ago). So either he was being unfair & leading CS’s on with that statement (knowing full well, we’d read it as they will have scenes together, rather than as individuals & why even word it that anyway if you know we wont get those moments until the last ep)- thinking it was a joke (but we don’t have the benefit of ‘knowing’ exactly who Emma will end up with- if anyone, like they do- so it isn’t funny, it’s actually as mean as Neil is being to Emma in many ways 😕 ) Or so many of the CS scenes got cut, the DVD eps will be unrecognizable 😉 . I do object to those types of ‘confirmation’ comments being made, when they know full well it wont happen- I don’t think they have done that before now, but that is the way it stands now.

I respect them for the story they are telling (I doubt I could create/write or produce a successful TV series) & I wouldn’t stop watching just because my ship went down- what would stop me watching is the story tanking or leading people on in their ships, knowing full well it wont happen etc just to keep them tuning in each week. (To be clear- I’m not saying that IS what they are doing, I’m saying if IT happened on ANY show, I’d react that way).

[surayya]

Oh & I haven’t given up hope of CS either- more annoyed at the manner this ep went down & the fact we didn’t get much Hook either (it’s been so long!!!! They better not have him passed out for 1/2 of the final either lol. I want a good helping of Hook & maybe an awesome CS scene to keep me interested & going through the long summer break 😉 )

I’ll leave watching that vid until tomorrow Jasminegirl84 – I don’t want to see anymore SF (positive or negative) just yet lol – might see what A&E have to say on the official podcast 1st 😉

[MysteryKat25]

I have a feeling it was in the plans and then a lot of stuff may have gotten cut OR there’s a lot in the finale *hopefully*

H&K addressed some of this by saying they don’t want to start ruling out even the obvious stuff that won’t happen because by ruling it out it gives away where they’re going with stuff (I agree with that, I don’t like it leading everybody on but they can’t spell out who’s gonna be with who with regards to Emma – she’s one of the few that isn’t set in Disney-esque stone). If they cross stuff off the list then people will read even more into what they say about the ones they’re not willing to cross off yet.

I think we’re gonna have a long journey but the triangle will become more apparent and people on both sides will just have to accept it (I think CS fans for the most part have accepted that there is this other side with Neal…we just don’t like it / want Emma to go back to him).

I’d like to think that they wouldn’t go TOO far or unrealistically too far for any ship they don’t intend on having for endgame (ie: I don’t think we’d get one ship for 5 years and then in year 6 they’re with someone else, at least I’d hope not). They pushed it as far as they did with SwanFire already but put it into understandable circumstances and they’ll have a lot to address when they are reunited and it may not go on for too long.

If we do get to see a full out triangle, both sides have to be viable and people should be a little torn (like Emma) or it doesn’t really work. There’s nobody that’s perfect and the other is horrible where it’s obvious like on most shows who the ultimate couple will be. I don’t want them to drag it out but they’ll need both sides to have something to hold onto to make it real. I fully buy that Emma would be torn somewhere down the line and it makes sense the fandom feels it.

It’s sad that it causes a lot of nasty shipping wars and that Adam has to keep defending himself on twitter. Everybody wants to see their favorites and I don’t take what they say as “we’re saying what you want to hear so you’ll tune in” but more as “this is the story we’re telling, we know there are moments you’re gonna like, stick around and enjoy it” cause them telling us where they’re heading gets rid of the fun surprises along the way. Plus with shows like this there are always characters you don’t like at first but you end up loving more than the people you hated at first but you would think they were nuts if they came out at the beginning and said “we’re planning on putting these two together so keep an eye on that.”

Can you imagine after the pilot saying “Rumple is the Beast. Belle will fall in love with him and so will you eventually, stay tuned!”…people were flipping out after the Skin Deep PROMO (& not in a good way!) and then it ended up being awesome!

The more they tell us on twitter the more trouble they get into (poor Adam) but I can see why they can’t really say no, you’re crazy if you see something there.

We get little snippets here and there for pretty much any ship you can think of, but ultimately, we’re eventually going to get true shipper moments (and I can’t wait for CaptainSwan ones which were kinda backburnered for most of the season after teasing us with Tallahassee – but a lot of other stuff had to happen before we can get Emma to the point where she CAN have something with Hook.

The show is about hope and they don’t want to out and out dash hopes too. Nobody is ever going to love the same coupling in a triangle and there’s always going to be somebody upset at the end of the day, I just think they’re hoping the rest of the story they’re telling makes up for only having so many wonderful moments before the other side gets theres.

I’m still annoyed with the coupling in Lost but I enjoy the parts where my ship had their moments. I don’t think they’re trying to lead us astray, part of it could be they forget what was cut / what scenes are in which eps etc since they worked on it so long before it airs but I really think we’ll get some good CS stuff in the finale (it’s supposed to be Hook-centric + young Bae…we need some good stuff with Hook / Emma. And it better be there with lots of promise for next season! I want them interacting a lot more. He was kicked to the side (probably mostly because of the broken leg thing…) and NealFire got a lot of moments this year.

I think S1 was reuniting Emma with Henry, S2 reuniting Rumple with Bae and Bae with Henry so that Henry has all of them in his life (even if it will take a lot of work), and S3 is hopefully Emma moving forward now that her family unit is pretty much together (though she may have to go rescue some of them…) and getting closer to Hook (doesn’t have to be a full on relationship just yet or I’d worry about their longevity…)

Re the last comment: the ep should center on Hook with a dose of young Bae since it was a 2 parter relating to Neverland so we should get lots of Hook for once! Perhaps good things come to those who wait? And Adam did say there was an “important” Hook & Emma scene and an “awesome” one (not sure if he was thinking about the same scene in both questions or just changed his wording between them) but I have faith that we’ll get something pretty good (hopefully a little bit of what I posted a couple pages back in the dream that I had. I’d settle for even just a little bit of that happening and I hope they our socks off with wonderful CaptainSwan moments – they can’t really be “romantic” after the way the last ep ended but he could certainly comfort her and lay the ground work for the future. They are kindred spirits after all!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[surayya]

Yeah- I didn’t say they should say ‘no, not gonna happen outright’- but ‘we have no plans for that at this stage’ , ‘probably not now- it could happen later’ or ‘unlikely, but you never know what the future holds’ kind of thing- rather than ‘of course it can’ or ‘anything is possible, watch the show & see’ (I don’t think getting people to tune in is the ‘only’ reason they say what they say- but fact is, if fans stop watching, they couldn’t make the show anymore)
I don’t personally think they’ve done anything ‘yet’ to justify anyone tuning out- so I get super annoyed at those people who get their nickers in a royal twist over what ever, blast Adam for it & say they wont watch anymore if they don’t do XYZ). A lot of those responses are created by their responses though- I almost think they’d be better off telling everyone, shipping questions will now only be responded to with ‘no comment’ because the fandom is becoming too nasty for anything else- the show is about being positive & having hope, not bashing other fans for liking a ship you dont.

I do agree CS’ers seem to be a little more tolerant/ open minded of other ships in general. I have no problems with Emma & Hook being with other people as endgame as long as it’s believable either 😉

Yes I love your version of CS moment- even just a long searching look & then sitting right next to her in silence, sharing in her loss would work for me- Killian knows all about the pain of lost love & hey, they now have yet another parallel LOL!

I have always said, if CS isn’t endgame, they at least need to be BFF’s – people who see you for who you are & love you for it, don’t often come along. They are the special people, who no matter what stand with you & support you. Killian & Emma have that ‘special’ connection- no matter what SF have to say about it, he will always be the one who ‘gets’ Emma above all others, because they are in a way soul mates 😉

[MysteryKat25]

Agreed! They are definitely kindred spirits and I like the idea of them at least being close if they don’t end up together. If we find that Hook and Bae once had a good relationship too that might work out nicely (I know the guys get along in real life, their CaptainHook bromance pics were hilarious!)

I like that idea of a long searching look and sitting next to one another too! That could make for a very powerful moment and shows that sometimes words aren’t necessarily, especially between kindred spirits.

I do think that CaptainSwan fans are a little more tolerant in general. We know nobody on the show is perfect and they all have issues / have done something bad along the way but we typically don’t try to defend Hook but then destroy somebody else, whereas I see every villain but Hook usually defended. It doesn’t make sense that what’s good for one isn’t good for the other character so I’d like to think we’re just more logical and open-minded about these things, or try to be.

Probably helps us be more open-minded just because our ship gets dumped on the most too. We’ve grown thicker skin and have to just keep fighting and hope somebody else sees what we see. After all we’ve seen more in Hook than the innuendos and being tossed on the floor or tied up. Clearly we’re open to the idea that there’s more to him, just like all the other ships that didn’t start off well.

I use Rumple as an easy example cause I would never have dreamed I’d remotely like the character in the first few eps and now RumBelle is one of the biggest fandoms on the show! Hook hasn’t been given a fair shake because he’s a well-known character who is typically the bad guy and therefore a lot of preconceived notions have been dumped on him and he’s become this guy that they assume they’ll hate because he makes innuendos and he’s a pirate and he just gets pushed around. There is so much to him (there has to be!) and like the others, we have to wait for the backstory to prove that.

I know there were some people who enjoyed the character of Rumple even before his backstory was given or the fact that he became the Beast, but I bet they had a heck of a time selling that to anybody they told to watch the show. Can you imagine going on and on about the show saying how much in love you are with rumplestiltskin and getting somebody to watch the first episodes? They’d look at you like you were nuts!

I just don’t get giving some characters (who have done truly horrendous things) a free pass, but then hating Hook when we haven’t gotten the whole story yet. I really think after this episode there will be *something* that shows a different side and warms people to him. Pitting him against such a beloved couple didn’t help at all. He’s always trying to kill Rumple, he hurt Belle (even though he didn’t kill her and it was still awful yes but I think / hope it will be corrected this week) and even though we saw what should have been a mildly sympathetic background already (he didn’t TAKE Milah, she wanted to go with him, she chose him, and though he taunted Rumple back then he made a good point and Rumple’s the one that took it too far, creating his own enemy). Hook is understandably upset by watching the woman he loves die in such a tragic death (one he was willing to take in her place before she showed up out of nowhere…) so clearly he loved her and is capable of that kind of love.

Sure he’s spent a ridiculously long amount of time to go after Rumple, but its always been about vengeance for ripping out Milah’s heart and crushing it in front of him. He doesn’t exactly go around saying “I want my hand back!” He’s embraced who losing the hand made him and is on a path to make Rumple feel what he felt and destroy him for good. Rumple spent forever trying to get his son back. They’re not all that different, they just go to different extremes and are on opposite sides.

Belle made me so mad when she told him his heart was rotten. She’s the one that’s supposed to be able to see the good in people and if she can see the good in Rumple, surely she can see the good in Hook too. Look at the SHAWL! He even told her he should have destroyed it, that would have been the smart thing to do, but he couldn’t because she made it. She of all people should understand, especially what Rumple is like. (I love RumBelle, but I can defend both ships, even if they are currently sworn enemies).

Really hoping they all have to work together soon so that we can put some of this stuff aside and make Hook less 1-note. I really enjoyed Hook’s insights about life after accomplishing your life’s mission and it gives lots of potential for him to find a new and better mission, hopefully putting some of those piratey skills to good use.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[surayya]

Yes I very much agree Mysterykat!

I have said much the same things re Belle in the ‘who you hate & why’ thread. Belle is my fav disney princess, yet Once’s version of her I don’t love & while I don’t hate her, the exact statement you referenced really ticked me off & put me off her more, because it was so at odds with her supposed character super power of seeing the good in everyone.

I feel some of the Hook hate comes from the fact that of the few actual ‘bad’ things we’ve seen him pull- they have usually been far more relatable than any of the other big bads actions. ie.
Hook hits Belle = Hook physically touches Belle, causing her to lose consciousness & = an unforgivable act as it is so easily relateable as being wrong.
Rumple ‘force smacks’ Red = Rumple uses magical forces (instead of physical) to throw Red through the air & slam into the ground (or was it a tree! 😕 ) & causes her to loose consciousness = forgivable act as it is not relatable due to no ‘physical violence’, as no ‘person to person contact’ was made.

I’m also of the opinion after re-watching Hook back hand Belle, that he knocked her out cold not because he ‘got his socks off hitting her’, but because he ditested having to kill her in the 1st place (because she was insisting on defending & loving Rumple) & was doing her a kindness (in a weird sort of fashion), by her not being awake & able to feel being stabbed through the heart or where ever. I also don’t think he could have killed her in cold blood (angry or not) if she had been awake to witness it- she wasn’t armed & Hook has made no bones over being up front about that 😉

It’s no different than the so called fight 😉 Hook didnt just throw the fight for Emma- he threw it so SHE COULD GET BACK TO HER SON & that is a big distinction- it also makes the cell scene take on a new light (I also noticed he whispered- as in didn’t want Cora over hearing- his response to Emma too).
Once Cora had told him about the lake’s powers, he made up his mind then before he threw the fight so Emma could still return to her son- he already knew he had the bean (which he knew he could rejuvenate) & his ship so that he could get to where he wanted to be 😉

It’s weird cause Once’s Rumple rather than loving or hating him, bores me- it’s usually the same thing, different format with him & Belle 😉 But Rumple was probably my fav fairy tale story when I was a child- don’t ask me why though lol. I never loved sleeping beauty, Cinderella, SW or any of those tales- but Rumpelstiltskin took my 4yr old fancy…. that story & Puss in Boots lol

I actually think Killian is a more profound person than we’ve seen to date- he has said some profound things even before thinking his revenge complete- I think those glimpses of depth is what draws me in with him too. He’s not afraid to change tact when he realizes there’s no coming back or his wants/needs have changed- at least that’s the feeling I get- ie. if he feels he will never have love again, yet he wants it & the only way to get it is to give up on revenge- I feel he will do so, it wont be easy, he’ll struggle at times, but he will “FIGHT” for what he wants, instead of hiding in the sand hoping it’ll just happen anyway.

Oh, oh – I just thought of another thing that could work well for CS- Henry is meant to be Rumple/dark ones undoing (I take that to mean, he breaks the darkone curse & he becomes just Rumple after that), Henry would sort of be like Killian’s hero & Killian, Henry’s protector 😉 – the darkone (the one who killed Milah would be dead), Rumple would be alive & if Killian is with Emma it’s a very nice & tidy live & let live, more meaningful ending there too.

[surayya]

Well that was silly of me- watched all the awesome CS fan vids posted here (I hadn’t seen the Halo one & LOVED it- thank you whom ever posted it! It has now been downloaded so I can watch it whenever 😉 ) & then went & listened to the Official podcast… urgh Bad move- I can see how SF fans would be jumping for joy after hearing A&E statements in that particular podcast-I almost went back to rocking in the corner lol Some hope though….at least I hope it’s hope lol 😉

They said it was Neil’s betrayal that stopped Emma trusting Hook,

“she wasn’t going to trust another person again. Henry may have been the 1st person to break through that wall, her parents try; but she isn’t going to make herself that vulnerable again & the more she tell’s Neil it was 10yrs ago, I’ve moved on- we know she hasn’t, we know it’s hard for her to see him living Tallahassee with someone else. Neil has always regretted that day, as he actually says out loud & so for us, it’s how do 2 people who love each other come together, when there is so much hurt & I think that in a lot of ways, has been what the season has been about”

Nice they point out that she wouldn’t give Killian a chance ‘to get in’ due to Neil’s actions.

What worries me is this-

“Seeing Emma say I love you to somebody was very powerful & to see that connection between the 2 of them was very powerful- even if it had to come at the most tragic moment of his life”

That sounds more like they mean for her to mean it & not just as a goodbye 🙁

The one thing they said, that I take hope from in all of this madness is “It’s much easier to do the wrong thing, than the right thing”- Ok so that wasn’t in relation to Neil & Emma, but it does cross ships nicely – For Emma to open up to Neil again, is the easy thing for her to do, (better the devil you know, than the one you don’t) she will expect some hurt from him, due to their history & so she doesn’t ‘have’ to totally open up & totally trust- However opening up to someone who hasn’t hurt her like that, now that is much harder to do & requires far more courage, as it requires a leap of faith & depth of trust, which for Emma is almost monumental.

I would like to see a friendship develop between Killian, Henry & Emma during S3- some CS flirting yes, but I don’t want them ‘going steady’ or ‘hooking up’ till at least S4 🙂 Neil & Emma can try things out, but at this stage (& after having read that tumbler post- thanks for linking it obisgirl) I really don’t want to see SF as endgame- there is just to much ‘bad’ for it to be ‘good’ & I don’t know how they could make it work realistically (fantasy/drama or not) long term given the depth of hurt & damage Emma has suffered from his actions- Emma & Neil having a good friendship yes, but Emma being totally intimate with someone who royally crushed & betrayed her to the point of never even going past a ‘1 night stand’ with another guy for a decade, it’s just so far beyond far fetched it’s ridiculousness- I hope A&E consult their wives on some of the choices they have Emma’s make, cause from where I’m standing it makes no sense! 😕

Only 5days to go now…maybe next week will be our week- i’m not asking for more than glimpse of a possibility- even if that’s Emma telling Charming off for popping Hook in the face, when (I assume) he goes to inform them of the 'fail safe' GOAT have set in motion, even that at this point would be good & a good poscast with positive Killian/Hook vibes too 😉

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