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Sometimes I feel like I’m the only Rumbeller glad that they’re separated. Belle shines when she’s on her own, and with Gold in Neverland, now is the time for her to take charge. Sure, I want them together, but the poor girl has been kidnapped and tortured and shot and been the product of attempted murder too much. Someone needs to give the poor girl her own “forget me not” shawl and send her to the Caribbean for a nice long vacation. If anyone of them need it, it’s her!
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I was proud of myself for posting two long Little Mermaid related posts without mentioning Hookriel.
I’m proud, and I admit a bit surprised, that you were able to do that. 🙂 Whilst Captain Swan dominates fandom, there are a few of us a bit obsessed about Hookriel. A few months ago it was pointed out to me that I had shipped a character I hated with one that wasn’t even on the show yet. Now that’s shipping. 😀
As for Ursula, I rewatched The Little Mermaid last week and I can definitely see that Lana has drawn inspiration from the character, like she’s said in the past. The vocal cues are evident. But then like the others, I see Rumple having a role. I don’t think they’re going to bring another character into the already bloated cast when Rumple and/or Regina can do the job. They’ve had no problem in the past combining characters.
I really hope they pick up Ariel’s story post-The Little Mermaid tale. I’m really hoping they follow the Anderson version where she doesn’t get her happy ending. I’d love for her to be banished to Neverland instead of turning to sea foam, though. She doesn’t get her Prince, but she’s also banished for her punishment. I want to see her sassy. Part of that is my dislike as a tween/teen for the fickle Prince Eric and the other part is Anderson’s tale is much more interesting and fits into the Once-verse much better.
I also, as we’ve been talking about on other threads, wonder if the mermaids can travel between worlds by water. I posted this comment from August in another thread, but will post it again:
August: Water is a very powerful thing. Cultures as old as time have worshipped it. It flows throughout all lands, connecting the entire world. If anything had mystical properties – if anything had magic – well, I’d say it’d be water.
–1 x 13 “What Happened to Frederick”
If water is so magical and flows through everywhere, I can see it as a connector between Neverland and Storybrooke. Interestingly, I’ve just read a book, non-Once related, about how the fae (fairies) get to our world through a portal in water and they can only cross over during a certain type of moon. That would be an interesting twist. Say the mermaids can travel, but only during certain times. Kind of like how the souls of the dead only walk on All Hallow’s Eve. That kind of thing.
Deep down I’m really hoping for Hookriel, although I’ll admit it’s a crackship and has probably no chance of happening. But my number one request is for her to not be with Prince Eric and for her story to be post The Little Mermaid. I don’t know why I’m so against her having a happy life with her prince, but I just am. 😀
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
You know what makes no sense about Pinocchio/August? The casting department has been spot on with every single thing so far. Snow and Emma look like they could really be related; young Snow and old Snow are perfect; teen Baelfire and adult Neal are similar; and even Rumple, Nealfire, and Henry could reasonably be related. However, they I just never understood how Pinocchio turned into August!
I know some people’s hair changes color as they age. Heck, I was a blonde who transitioned into a brunette so I know better than anybody. But redheaded Pino to swarthy August I just don’t buy.
If I have one major complaint about this show is the whole handling of Pinocchio/August debacle. How did that happen?
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Peter Pan plays the pan flute. I don’t think it needs to be tied into the Pied Piper. Although the Pied Piper did lure children away from their parents, too.
It’s probably the writers just joking in the writer’s room and a play on words with flute and lute.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Gosh, I hope Pinocchio doesn’t remember his former life. We saw August waking up with someone in Thailand, implying a certain *cough* type of relationship. I really hope little Pinocchio doesn’t remember his time there.
As for Pleasure Island, I always took Thailand as August’s substitution for Pleasure Island, but you never know with this show.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Yeah, I really think it’s Henry, too. If it were Rumple, then he would have recognized the connection to Henry after he first got his memories back when he heard Emma’s name. It would be like Gold would be looking at Henry and thinking , “Oh, there’s a young boy who looks exactly like I did as a lad. I bet it’s a coincidence.” As twisted as all the connections in this show are, he’d immediately become suspicious and start stealing hairs from Henry to do DNA tests. It really can’t be anyone else but Henry.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
That’s an idea. We don’t know what Rumple looked like as a child. One possibility is Peter Pan, from living in Neverland, has a messed up concept of time and could be hunting his supposed brother, or just Rumple, but nets the grandson instead.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
If Rumple is Peter Pan then they’d have to do some kind of time travel where he’s in two places at once. When Bae is dragged on shore by the Lost Boys in “And Straight on Till Morning” they specifically say Peter Pan’s name. At this point, Rumple is the Dark One. If Rumple=Pan, he wouldn’t go after the boy who was his downfall, he’d go right to the main one he wants–his son. They’d have a picture of Baelfire to search for.
I don’t think they’re going to touch Hook. Like RG said, it’s another production company, not part of the original Peter Pan rights which belong to a hospital and are extremely complicated (I’ve mentioned Disney’s rights for Tinker Bell are under a different contract than Peter Pan and why she’s so heavily marketed more easily than PP). I’m not shocked that Rufio isn’t going to exist because he’s only in Hook. The character doesn’t exist in the source material.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Big hole in the PP is Rumple is that Peter Pan has been cast and is on set.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
When I first suggested that Peter Pan was Rumple’s brother I really took it as a joke. I remember the first time I watched Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, one of my favorite movies and a guilty pleasure although Kevin Costner doesn’t even TRY to have an English accent, that I was utterly shocked that Will Scarlet was Robin’s brother. When the movie came out I was a tween/young teen and really only familiar with the Disney animated and children’s storybook versions of the legend. But I was flabbergasted. Here is a young boy who really at first hated Robin Hood, although everyone else looked upon him as a hero. He questioned his leadership and was very belligerent. But then Will revealed that he was Robin’s brother and the animosity stemmed from being jealous that he wasn’t enough for their father. He could never live up to the shadow of his brother.
Move on to OUAT. The more I think about it, the more I’m beginning to believe the crack. We don’t know anything about Rumple’s young life other than his father was a coward that ran away and was killed and that he was raised by spinsters. He could very well have a brother out there. In Barrie’s original, Peter Pan wants a mother, in essence…a family, very much even though he also doesn’t want to grow up. That’s why he brings Wendy–to be a mother and tell them stories. What does Rumple, and also Neal (and Henry and Emma, etc…) want in life? To have a family. The themes in this show are cyclical and paralleled. So what originally became as a crackpot guess has me really wondering if Rumple and Peter are brothers.
Here is a blurb about Peter’s family from Wikipedia:
Peter does not know his parents. In Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens Barrie wrote that he left them as an infant, and seeing the window closed and a new baby in the house when he returned some time later, he assumed they no longer wanted him.
So Barrie did write that Peter had a sibling. I’m going to have to dig up Barrie’s other stories about Peter and see what I can find. But knowing Eddy and Adam, and that this is their favorite childhood story, I can see them incorporating little known aspects of Barrie’s PP world into the show and twisting it.
Ack…this is quickly becoming headcanon. Please, someone try to stop it from happening!
Edited: Okay, I found the excerpt to Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens (originally published as part of The Little White Bird) by J. M. Barrie. It’s a short story, not long at all, but I thought this might be worth taking a glance at. The story is also the first we see of Peter Pan before his adventures in Neverland with Wendy. He’s only a baby:
But, mind you, though Peter was so slow in going back to his mother, he was quite decided to go back. The best proof of this was his caution with the fairies. They were most anxious that he should remain in the Gardens to play to them, and to bring this to pass they tried to trick him into making such a remark as “I wish the grass was not so wet,” and some of them danced out of time in the hope that he might cry, “I do wish you would keep time!” Then they would have said that this was his second wish. But he smoked their design, and though on occasions he began, “I wish—” he always stopped in time. So when at last he said to them bravely, “I wish now to go back to mother for ever and always,” they had to tickle his shoulder and let him go.
He went in a hurry in the end because he had dreamt that his mother was crying, and he knew what was the great thing she cried for, and that a hug from her splendid Peter would quickly make her to smile. Oh, he felt sure of it, and so eager was he to be nestling in her arms that this time he flew straight to the window, which was always to be open for him.
But the window was closed, and there were iron bars on it, and peering inside he saw his mother sleeping peacefully with her arm round another little boy.
Peter called, “Mother! mother!” but she heard him not; in vain he beat his little limbs against the iron bars. He had to fly back, sobbing, to the Gardens, and he never saw his dear again. What a glorious boy he had meant to be to her. Ah, Peter, we who have made the great mistake, how differently we should all act at the second chance. But Solomon was right; there is no second chance, not for most of us. When we reach the window it is Lock-out Time. The iron bars are up for life.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
