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My problem with the whole scene isn’t that they broke up. Like many others, it’s just that it was written and acted so horribly. The dialogue was clunky, confusing, and just plain bad.
I’m at the point where I would stand up and cheer if Rumple sees the boat of DOs and says “Bye, all. I’m taking all the gold I’ve spun and leaving this place. Have fun trying to survive without me.” And then Bobby’s final scene is him sitting on a tropical beach somewhere with a drink in a coconut with an umbrella, relaxing and enjoining life. A thousand applause if Henry goes with him.
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Here’s a question. If Milah and Nealfire magically came back to life as their human selves, do you think CaptainSwan would stick together (as it currently stands) or do you think they would split and reunite with their respective first loves since the relationships ended through death rather than relationship breakdown where neither wanted to see the other again?
CS would stick together. They’re too invested in the ship now to change it. And Emma isn’t Emma anymore. I don’t want this Emma with Neal.
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Maybe Adam and Eddy’s style would be more well suited for short form material like Wonderland and American Horror Story?
Maybe, Matt. I remember my niece gave up Once in Season Two because she felt it was going to end up dragging along. She though it should have been only one season long. However, she really enjoyed Wonderland despite giving up on the mother show because it was a complete story.
I think Once could have benefitted tremendously from a shortened season like the Brits are known for and is trending here with both cable and newer network shows. I think a 10-13 episode season might have forced the story to be tightened up. But who knows, it might have ended up worse.
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She’s not dead. She’s not dead. I am 1000% sure of this. It’s just the new showrunner trying to shake things up. She’ll be absent maybe a few episodes at most. Abbie waa rescued from Purgatory, she’ll be rescued from the tree.
Maybe we need a magic mushroom to try to talk to her.
*grins runs away from RG*
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That aquarium scene, though!
But, on the bright side, Andy and Haley!
Our cohorts here don’t watch many comedies but I do. I thought Andy/Haley (Modern Family) was very sweet. It’s taken them a while to get to this point so I hope they don’t jerk them around much more. Dylan just need to be gone permanently and I think Andy slips right in the family dynamic. (Not that I ship it, it’s against my rules, but I can be happy for them.)
As for Abbie, I don’t believe for a minute she’s dead. Ichabod and Jenny will rescue her. If she can escape purgatory then she can escape this. I will say the TVLine article with the showrunner was heavily shippy. While I love their friendship so, so much, I don’t ship them romantically. I can’t. I must keep my heart detatched.
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@Nevermore, I taught preschool and children’s imaginations are fascinating. I will have to say they when they make up stories they’re likely to tell you in detail why their character turns into a unicorn or spontaneously bursts into flames. It’s amazing the reasoning skills they have. It might not be realistic but they will tell you a reason. Which in a way ranks them above the trolls.
We had a horrible night of heartache, death, death, and more death followed by despair in our tv viewing tonight. I need some happiness so imagine Tom Mison/Ichabod reciting the following:
I can listen no longer in silence. I must speak to you by such means as are within my reach. You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever. I offer myself to you again with a heart even more your own than when you almost broke it, eight years and a half ago. Dare not say that man forgets sooner than woman, that his love has an earlier death. I have loved none but you. Unjust I may have been, weak and resentful I have been, but never inconstant.
This is an excerpt of the letter Frederick Wentworth sent to Anne Elliot in the novel Persuasion. Can’t you just imagine Ichabod penning these words to paper? *sigh*
(This is permitted shipping since it falls withing the parameters of being 19th century British literature. 🙂 )
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Watcher, the reason I refuse to watch any further Ryan Murphy productions is that he has a history of having brilliant first seasons followed by spectacularly bad ones the rest of the series. It happened with Popular, Glee, and although I didn’t watch it, I’m told Nip/Tuck, too. That is just too much of a track record. I can’t get invested in another of his shows.
He excels at creating but continuing the story line isn’t a strong point. It’s like he and his writers have extreme ADHD and lose interest or go off on these wild inconsistent tangents. The reason I think he’s had success with American Horror Story is that it’s set up differently. Each season has a completely different premise behind it with horror being the unifying theme and an repertory of actors.
I tend to not be a forgiving person sometimes. If an author has an off book I’ll give them another chance, but two or three more stinkers and they’re off my must read list. Same with TV shows. There is too much well written entertainment out there for me to sit through sub-par story telling just out of some misguided loyalty.
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I won’t watch it. I will stick with Once until the end (I can’t abandon RG) but I will not watch another K/H production. I made the same vow about Ryan Murphy and I’ve kept it. No matter how intriguing future plots may be.
Plus, I don’t like the horror genre so that’s a second strike against it. So no for me.
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No but really guys. Dec 18th. It’s going to be an “All Ranchettes on Deck” sort of night. Jo is going to need help handling my emotional vomit.
I have to say I’m a bit shocked. I never thought they’d go there and this quickly. Series ending thing, maybe. But it’s just a shock. A Christmas miracle for RG?
I will be there for you. At least with TGIT going on hiatus we won’t have to watch this one at midnight.
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Warning: Really long post ahead.
I’m not sure where to put this so I’ll stick it here. I was reading the list of most and least favorite moments from Sunday and thinking about why I have such contempt for every little thing on the show. Some of you have been present to my enumerating all the reasons why this show sucks. (It’s quite a long list.) But the last episode with the appearance of a magic bean, bad wigs, uninteresting characters just had me literally laughing in absurdity despite having these things in season one. I didn’t have this anger or snarkiness then that I have now at their appearance. Why did I tolerate episodes like “Dreamy” or “True North” but cringe at a “The Bear King”?
The easy answer and obvious is they killed the heart of the show. When Neal died much of the, pardon my word choice, magic left. But there were cracks before that. And now the crack are chasms and crevasses. So what’s the deal?
For me it all goes back to inconsistent world-building. But not only that. It’s not knowing when to stop building that world. If you’re crafting a story, especially with a new world/environment/magical properties you need time to create that world. In Harry Potter, J. K. Rowling did it little by little in the beginning. We’re introduced to new things as Harry was. It was organic. But at some point, it slowed down. By the middle of the series, Harry knew about house elves, ministry politics, butterbeer, etc. He’s still learning but at some point J. K. Rowling’s world stops expanding radically. There has to be a point where thing slow down. The introduction of new lands, creatures, kingdoms, etc. has to slow down. You can still introduce new information but we need a pause.
How does that apply to Once? Eddy and Adam never stop world building. They are constantly introducing new characters, new lands, new storylines. And they’re not good at it! They push the parameters they’ve created in season one to the point that they’ve broken their own storytelling rules because they forget them and their new interests don’t mesh with the old. So they scrap the old and go forward hoping we all forget those pesky seasons one and two details.
I think the show would have been better if they’d had drawn a line in the sand: here is our world and we’re going to only operate within these parameters. I don’t mind the hopping around from different lands on the show if there were a common thread to it all. But they’ve expanded their story to a point that it’s a meandering maze of streets that never connect. There are many dead ends, a few cliffs, some hills, etc. in that maze.
Don’t get me wrong, there are many other things vastly wrong with this show: the constant ship baiting, minority representation, misogyny, network interference. But when it comes down to brass tacks you need a solid foundation or everything will crumble. If Once had this then maybe they could have hung on to some of their ratings and not had divided fandom we have today.
Okay, I‘m stepping off my soapbox and going to bed. I usually don’t post long rambling word vomit but I just had to get it out and you guys will humor me here. 🙂
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