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THAT is a theory and a half.
Do we know anything about Wes’s background? He got waitlisted and was accepted at the last minute. Wasn’t it mentioned it went to community college (or am I making that up). So a poor kid get the break of a lifetime being accepted to a prestigious school despite his background, Not unheard of but he’s last minute pulled up from wait list, too.
So…was someone behind the scenes pulling the strings to get him in? To go further on this outlandish theory, Annalise finds out that Wes is a biproduct of a former relationship of her husband’s. She realizes he’s applied and waitlisted so she pulls some strings to get him accepted. Keep your enemies close kinda thing. She’s interested in him because of his connection to Sam (whether Sam knows this or not since Annalise has access to top notch investigators). She does show odd attention to him for some reason that doesn’t come out to any of her other acquaintances.
Darnnit, I`m being sucked into theorizing about a tv show again. Swore I wouldn’t do it again.
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JosephineParticipantWhile I slept, Phee has been theorizing and obsessing. 😛 Gotta love time differences.
I’ve been in a “Bonnie killed Lilah” frame of mind for awhile now, but it totally makes sense for it to be Annalise. So assume she overheard the Lilah, goes to talk to her, finds out she’s pregnant and then kills her. Annalise suffered from miscarriages and I would imagine felt like she was a failure for her inability to get pregnant, and then there is this little “virgin” who has an affair with her husband and gets knocked up immediately. The straw that broke the camel’s proverbial back.
I think one thing we know is that Viola Davis is definitely getting a Golden Globe nomination when they come out in a few weeks. And then an Emmy nom next summer. I was shocked when she was giving her little voicemail speech about pleading with him to come home, but then did realize this is her ace in the hole. She looks like the worried, forgiving wife and along with her spending the night with Nate, she has an airtight alibi.
So Wes isn’t the wide-eyed innocent thought of in the pilot. It will be interesting to see where this goes from here.
And they’re reairing the episodes. Are we watching to look for clues again? (Jo is codependent in her tv watching.)
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JosephineParticipantSo today I was ruminating (more…I confess, something about a hiatus right after zero Belle apparently does this to me) on what Rumple will do at this point if Belle tries to leave him.
Honestly? I think he’ll let her go because it confirms what he always knew: Belle would “abandon” him and from there, given this show and what it’s doing, he’ll go full on crazy villain
Yep, exactly. He’s always believed Belle would leave him so he’ll take the separation, caused by his own actions, as something that had been inevitable from the beginning. So she ends up leaving him, not because she doesn’t love him, like he believes deep down, but because of his own actions and lies. Which will give him license to go Evil Villain at full-throttle.
I’ll be honest, I hate the direction they’re taking Rumple. I think it’s the lazy way to write him. It’s easy to rely on Bobby’s ability to act insane, but it’s still lazy. I’ve said repeatedly, having Rumple shedding his curse would be so ripe with possibilities but it takes talented writers who are interested into telling a human story of struggle. Something they’re not interested in doing.
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JosephineParticipant(Sigh) I just…I don’t know how they can get around the whole Soul Mate thing….maybe if they hadn’t put that in there, I could be more accepting in letting it go…but they’re confirmed soul mates…fated/destined to be together, prophesied to be together! Not letting that come to pass is like letting Voldemort kill Harry Potter, the boy who was prophesied to defeat him. I just…I don’t know how they can get around that without typhoons of backlash from fans.
But sometimes integrity, self-respect, family, responsibilities have to come first before romantic love, be it true love or not.
So I go back to what we’ve been talking about since season one. True Love. Soul mates. Whatever you call it. Yes, it’s the most powerful magic of all, but is everyone born with another half, like some cultures believe? We do know that “true love” is rare so evidently most of the plebeians will never experience it. The odds of finding your soul mate are astronomical. Does that mean their life has less value? They shouldn’t seek out love in other forms?
And is pixie dust really an infallible method of discovering who you should be with. (I’ve been listening to Rumple too long. I don’t trust those fairies.) If that’s the case, then why talk, court, flirt with others if you can get a little magic and cut out the crap in between? To quote Belle (who has her own major problems right now, but that’s another thread), “To me love is…love is layered. Love is a mystery to uncovered.” From the minute she saw that tattoo it changed the dynamic. In my opinion, OQ never went through that so now that they’re faced with this situation I can’t hold on to the “it’s preordained and the pixie dust is proof”. And maybe it’s my own personal beliefs seeping through. I don’t believe in ‘love at first sight’ so the thought that pixie dust, even in a fantasy, will lead you to the One and you know immediately is preposterous. I’m not saying that love can’t happen fast, sometimes it does quickly, but it being predestined I’m not that enamored of. So when this tenuous relationship is tested in such a spectacular way, I can’t fathom a way for it to succeed. And if I did, I no longer trust the show runners or writers to execute it successfully.
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JosephineParticipantBut at least we get to find out #WhoKilledSam….anyone willing to make a Cookie Bet?
I’m want to know who killed Lilah just as much. Was it Sam? Bonnie? By bet is Bonnie killed someone, just not sure who yet.
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JosephineParticipantNot only Murder, but Sheldon in a dress. I have promised to be a good friend and record TBBT and watch it after Murder. Aren’t I wonderful.
Plot twist and here is even greater plot twist.
I’m really a cat
Uhm…We learn so much about each other everyday.
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JosephineParticipantArgh, forum ate my post. I hate when that happens.
So, I’ve changed my avatar to better reflect my current view of the show. Originally, I planned on having a solid black square to represent the nothingness and emptiness I feel as I watch, but Abed from Community sums up what I’m feeling better. This definitely is the darkest timeline, and I don’t see it improvinng.
(For some reason in chat I’m still Belle. That thing hates me.)
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JosephineParticipantNow I have that song stuck in my head. Thank you, guys.
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JosephineParticipant*bangs head on table*
….or Rumple’s
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JosephineParticipantSo I’ve been thinking about this and I have some opinions I never though I’d have, but this season has changed my opinion of the show and the direction it’s going.
I think firstly, that Rumple is consciously pushing Belle away. Multiple times he could have confessed but he didn’t. He’s in this descent into madness and knows it and I think it’s his way to push Belle away from it. Without her there to be his little spark of hope and reminder of the man he still has buried somewhere inside, he’s free to wallow in his evilness. Let the Dark One take over. I think he’s tired of the fight and after Neal dying he’s ready to let it reign. He’s always thought Belle will leave and this is his self-fulfilling prophecy.
I think Belle should leave him. Not divorce, but they need a separation. She needs it. We as viewers need it. I can’t see any rational person finding out all the stuff Rumple is putting her through and staying with him. And Rumple needs it,. He needs to not use Belle as a crutch. All this self-love lecturing we’ve been getting lately, he needs to learn this, too. I think the reason his curse has never been broken by TLK is because he doesn’t want it broken. Yes, magic works differently in our world. Blah, blah, blah. But he’s holding a part of himself back. He always has reasons. I think Belle leaving him might be the only thing to knock anything back into him. Certainly her being with him isn’t doing either of them any good. It’s not a healthy relationship.
I have a fear, like many, that Bobby is going to get his wish and Rumple will never be released from his curse or redeemed. Being a Belle lover, this doesn’t bode well for her, either. What frustrates me is that seeing the story on our screen of a mortal Rumple, released from his curse and dealing with mortality is much more interesting and riveting than seeing yet another descent into madness and evilness. So many issues could be addressed: no longer being the powerful evil sorcerer, dealing with the reality of having a much younger wife and probably her desire for children. Should he have children at his age…whatever that is? What is his purpose if he’s not the Dark One? That is an interesting story to tell. And I’m saddened that I will never get it.
I wouldn’t put it past these people, either, to have Belle finally leave her husband, Rumple completely descend into madness and whatever he’s bent on doing, and then she finds out she’s pregnant. TWIST…BOLD…yeah. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It might be the kick in the pants he needs to “cleave’ (can see RG cringing from here) himself from his curse and be the man his family needs.
I still love my Rumbelle in fanfiction. They’re still my OTP there and I adore how many smart, talented writers are out there. But my opinions of the writers, show runners and story lines have changed since I first fell in love with it.
I was listening to music today and this song is perfect in my opinion of the current state of Rumbelle:
Sometimes Love Just Ain’t Enough — Patty Smyth and Don Henley
Like a fool who will never see the truth
I keep thinking something’s gonna changeBut there’s a danger in loving somebody too much
And it’s sad when you know it’s your heart you can’t trust
There’s a reason why people don’t stay where they are
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