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Stubble looks better on Colin, Raphael and Josh (not sure full beards work for them), but RC rocks it all (except for that weird picture with no hair–what was that! )

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That’s a good point Nonnie–odds are, they’ll have the actress in the water at some point to show her as a mermaid. Or they could just skip the effects and feature her as a cursed to be human mermaid, flipping her story around (she wants to be a mermaid rather than wanting to be human).

I hope they don’t put her with Peter Pan given the huge creepy factor they have in mind for that character! If they can pull off incorporating Prince Eric into PP then I suppose but it is hard to envision that right now. Hm…imagine someone cursed to be a child to separate him from his true love…..that could inspire some pretty bad behavior.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@Jade wrote:

For exemple I imagine Snowhite ageless, living in a story that finishes with a happy ending and keeps repeating every time is being renarrated. Eventually the curse disrupted that harmony.

There may be something to that idea of repeating cycles, but on some level we have characters growing up, giving birth, and there still has to be an order of events within the cycle of overlapping stories. It’s simpler to assume parallel time between worlds, unless we’re told about a freeze or a jump or something like that. Anything else that seems “before its time” is probably best explained by magic like prophecy or something like that.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Well if they don’t want to just eliminate Henry, but need him for some reason like a sacrifice or to use his body or blood or something on those lines (eep, more morbid ideas!), then they couldn’t prevent his creation to get what they want.

I’m still leaning toward the idea that PP has no body or form right now, except a shadow, and that is why he wants Henry. I guess we’ll see who the actor is that they cast–but if it is someone older who’s done voice work that might bolster that idea versus someone younger. If they do go with a classic looking Pan, it’s kind of tough to find an actor the right age and look who could be convincing as the big bad–unless he’s just a tool of some other force. I’m not saying they couldn’t find someone and make it work with the right dialog and directing, but it would be a bit tricky. There have been some young actors that can be convincingly menacing, though I’m not sure if they go down the possession route that Gilmore would be one of them. They can age Pan up a bit I suppose–a young looking 19 year old maybe as they did with Freya Tingley.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Or maybe Cora just had more than one Knave of Hearts.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Pan as Hook’s father could definitely be a rather weird spin on things–like if Pan had the clock turned back to make him a boy (something Rumpel had wanted to do to Bae) but he still retained his adult mind. Pan seems rather well organized for a real child (that is, if he is indeed calling the shots for the HO, as opposed to a false conclusion we all reached). It still could be that the HO considered Pan more dangerous, and knowing he was after Henry, needed to grab Henry and take him to NL for some reason yet to be revealed. They love their fake outs. Or Pan is a disembodied former “original power” that is nothing but a shadow (but not THE shadow we saw) and searching for a host body. I’m wondering what the casting news will reveal. Will it be a young actor or old actor–they aren’t pulling a gender twist so that’s really all we have now.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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That is not a goof–it is evidence of BF Plot Device sickness–it was in the potion Belle drank! 😆

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I’m nervous about Belle and Neal working together, because I would really hate it if they did a storyline ripped from a soap where there’s any suggestion that how Belle and Neal interact is anything other than friends/mother/son. I’m just saying–Charming had a scene with Ruby and people were thinking there’d be a triangle soon. It’s how some of us fans think, and you put two attractive actors on screen without a huge age gap (and sometimes even with), and isolate them from other actors in their scenes, and pretty soon someone somewhere has a ship. (Hello Wolf-Whale….but I’m guilty of that one!).

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I think there would be a kind of irony in that character of perpetual youth being just really, stinking, relic old. MJR said in an interview that sometimes we’re collecting dots, and sometimes we’re connecting dots. That’s what is so tricky, just like trying to ram puzzle pieces together when you’re missing the links in between, we probably don’t have everything we need to make sense of what we’ve seen so far. But it is fun to try anyway.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I know I referenced Clarke’s quote somewhere, as well as that we would not have a technical science solution somewhere. I feel like Cora/Regina about tracking hearts–there’s too many threads and it is impossible to keep track who said what & where.

My thought is when the writers say no time travel, what they mean is they don’t want to have loops in the timeline so there are not multiple versions of the same character existing /crossing paths. They also want to more or less keep time moving parallel between worlds, as that simplifies things for them to avoid an unintended loop being implied by various storylines they have done or intend to do. The apple was an exception I suppose, as it was an object at a specific point in time, where no contradiction was implied as no one knew where it had gone after Snow chucked it.

There’s a thing with time travel, the “own grandpa” paradox (different than Henry’s family tree issues), and I think they want to avoid that kind of loop as well. Good thing because if it gets any more complicated for that family tree….. 😮

So the picture has to be a prophecy type thing, yet the fact that people can catch glimpses of the future, or live somewhere that they don’t age, and of course, where we have anachronistic clothing/cultural concepts/things available undercuts the idea of no time travel–but that’s where “magic” comes in. So no time travel really means–they don’t intend to have something in the future cause something in the past, even if there are these occasional oddities. (Like how the “real story” of these characters take place in a world influenced by the stories long before). There will always be some other explanation than someone traveling from a point in the future to the point in the past. That explanation of course is magical in nature, like prophecy or people not aging or in some cases time standing still completely. They implied Cora’s bubble made time actually stand still I think, rather than time passing like in SB but no one aging.

Hook: Twenty-eight years?

Cora: You won’t even notice. You’ll be frozen, like all those in this corner of the land. But, when the curse ends, our quest will resume. And, when it does, Regina will truly have lost everything, and then she’ll need me. That’s when we’ll go to this new land. You’ll get your revenge. And me, I’ll… Help her pick up the pieces.

Sooner or later, the writers might just goof on something too, and there’ll be no logical explanation other than “um, it’s magic.”

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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