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@Phee wrote:

It’s a little victory in that it’s official confirmation that Neal at least hasn’t moved on. This indicates that the SwanFire romance isn’t dead in the water, and that it’s a theme they intend to explore.

The key I think is that the show IS exploring things. I see the potential of both Swanfire and CaptainSwan.

I kind of thought watching the video, given that E does most of the talking while A just sits there–what if E really likes Emma and Neal, and A really likes Emma with Hook? Wouldn’t it be funny if the producers haven’t decided yet what “endgame” will be for their heroine, because they themselves are actually of two minds cause they are you know, two people 😆 ?

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Losing Neal all over again will drive her to find someone to grab onto to steady and distract herself, someone she can express all her pent up emotions with, and that person will be Hook. Then once CaptainSwan get into the swing of things, Neal will show up again and Emma will get thrown for yet another emo loop, because there’s still so much unresolved between SwanFire, and they won’t be able to ignore it.

Then there’ll be a Shipping War to rival the Ogres Wars.

😆 Drama and angst–it is why writers just can’t stop using triangles.

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@Code1125 wrote:

It would be funny (though highly unpredictable, as the theme of the show wouldn’t allow it) if they somehow switched brains. Like Regina’s soul was in Snow’s body and vice versa. :

Freaky Friday was what came to my mind–that is a Disney tale if not fairy tale. Why not?

I am not sure it meant that though.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@thelonebamf wrote:

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-There has to be more to it, otherwise why didn’t the Duke just tell the Dark One “turn them all in to snails and smoosh them”? If they were fighting a neighboring land that had something they wanted (say an economic benefit of some sort) then the Duke would need the enemy to remain human as to be able to continue to provide it after the fighting had ended

..I um… may have to go amend my first “fact”.

That is a good point. If you control someone like the Dark One–why fight Ogres?
The Duke was probably not very bright, and perhaps he never asked. Maybe Zoso could not do much of anything on his own, without violating whatever magical gais bound him to the Duke.

I also wonder, how has Rumpel expanded the Dark One’s powers? Was Zoso simply not as powerful as we see Rumpel being?

I’m not sure if I buy the propaganda theory–though it is interesting. We do know there are actual Ogres. While I agree with you it is hard to picture the Ogres having a government enough for a truce, what if they are like Orcs from Lord of the Ring or the goblins. So MOST of the Ogres are thuggish brutes with no sense, but there’s an Overlord of Ogres or something with whom one can reason. In fact, maybe someone is creating the Ogres and they are magically pouring into the realm for the exact purpose of some dark sorcerer taking over. Not to mention, it isn’t a question of avoiding the Ogre territory if the Ogres are expanding too fast, you have to fight. You can’t avoid them forever if they are the ones pushing outwards.

Interesting questions though and I think there is plenty of room for more storytelling about how exactly these Ogres keep rampaging.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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If Bae went to a different land first, he might have only stayed a little while there, for all we know is 6 months after something (the portal, the other land?) he was in London.

I don’t think Bae was afraid of Rumpel in the start, after he first went through. I don’t think Bae would want to leave where he went right away. I think he would have wanted his father to find him at first, but then either learning about Milah or the years passing by made him change his mind. Then he might have tried to leave so he could not be found.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@Demileto wrote:

@Phee wrote:

I still think they may not cast Ariel that young, though. I know that traditionally she’s only 16, but for the context of this show, if they want to give the character a full on, true love romance storyline, they could do that more effectively with an Ariel that’s several years older.

I’ve said this in another thread, but I still don’t get how 16 is seen as tradition for Ariel and not the other Disney Princesses. They’re all teenagers; Snow White, for example, is the youngest of the lineup with only 14 and she’s grown up enough to have a daughter in the show.

@Phee wrote:

They could push her age up to around 20 and still keep the theme of the story where her father doesn’t want her running off. And around 20 makes her mature enough to have a proper relationship.

That’s what I think will happen as well.

I commented in the other thread about it–but yes, on this show the writers already tweaked Snow and the other princess’ age and personalities. Ariel’s youth isn’t any more a part of her essential character than those other princesses’ ages were. I think they could present an Ariel of just about any age as the heart of the story was her willingness to challenge her people and leave her kind to be with the man she loved. The Disney version ends happily, but the original tale is more tragic.

Whether they go younger or older, I think the writers have the freedom to really write a new tale (or a new tail 😆 ) for this character in whatever way they want. I think it is the differences from the story we already know that makes ONCE interesting anyway.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@Demileto wrote:

Honestly, this iconic image of Ariel, if it even exists, is more accidental than anything. Each and every one of Disney’s princesses are teenagers: Snow White is 14, Belle is 17, Aurora is 16 and Mulan is 16. Cinderella, with her 19 years old, is the eldest in the Disney Princess lineup. It’s not, therefore, a defining trait of the character; a young adult in her early 20s can play the role of the rebel child of a strict father just as well.

Sorry, I probably wasn’t clear there. There is an iconic image of Ariel the Disney Princess, but not so much the original “Little Mermaid” story itself. Disney markets the heck out it’s version of a teenage girl with red hair, purple shell bra and green tail, or in the pink dress. So I meant classic look to Disney’s version of the character.

We can of course separate the essence of the Little Mermaid story from that image. I completely agree with you there, that on this show, we’ve already seen Snow as older and different than the Disney version. No reason they can’t do that with Ariel too. Not that they have to do that even. The sequel I mentioned for animated Ariel (the one with Morgana, the character Happy Endings brought up) keeps her looking much the same, she just puts her hair up, even though she has a 12 year old daughter. She doesn’t really look older or drawn differently (except to the extent it is a cheaper animation quality ….).
So I was saying I don’t think they’d draw from that sequel as it isn’t well known enough.

That’s not the same as saying they can’t tinker with Ariel’s look or age from the animated version, because clearly in this show they have done just that with Snow, Belle and the others.

I absolutely agree that Ariel’s personality is not defined by her age. She was spunky and curious about another world. In fact, someone joked that Tiny’s story kind of was Ariel’s–even down to the siblings with the A names. Just don’t picture Jorge Garcia in Ariel’s mermaid outfit…..cause you know, I just totally did…. 😆

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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The only difference may be the time period. That would change one thing I think. If SB is NOT destroyed, and they want to return to it–then having these be the same place but different times would allow them to get back via pixie dust flight perhaps. They’d leave NL and fly to modern London, and have to fly back to Maine. We could see Rumpel go nuts again in the airport–or I bet Grumpy would be just as fun. I’m sort of thinking that “adjacent lands” might mean that some part of the world could connect to the other world but it isn’t like a portal, you can’t go from just any part of one world to another like with a bean.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Yes it is nontraditional–but it makes me wonder. Knowing the tradition, they could easily have done something along these lines to let Colin play the role (blonde with grey touches wig, no guyliner, have him seated so we don’t see the limp…shave him clean 😆 .)

That they bothered to cast someone else, even knowing they had to scale back Colin’s scenes this year, rather than letting him have a go at this–makes me wonder. Do they plan a bigger arc for George Darling…..Maybe running the Home Office?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I picture the season ending with a pirate ship sailing into Neverland, and a wide angle shot as we pull away to see the water. Then in the water, we see a mermaid tail flip up along with red hair spilling down the back.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Morgana is most likely not going to figure into ONCE. Characters in Disney’s direct to DVD sequels or newer films, are not well known enough by most people. Though…if they did Morgana, they could bring in Ariel’s daughter Melody. I know it would not fit with most people’s iconic idea of Ariel as a teenager but I like that Ariel is a mommy 😆 I just don’t see that happening in ONCE.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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