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I think the progression is more likely that Cursed Emma styles her hair, because she’s relaxed and has time for it. Then memory restored Emma is back to looking a little frayed because you know, no time to play around with a hot iron when there’s witches and curses and catastrophes to fight.
I’m not sure we can know for sure if she’s changed locations in between. Anyone have the BTS shots of her shooting with Mystery Man? I want to compare her hair there.
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
To go back to something Marty said–let’s not forget who and what Tamara was: A driven agent for a cause, not a normal woman looking for love with her own insecurities and fears. If you think Hook’s pursuit is relentless, then Tamara’s was unavoidable.
The show made sure to tell us too that none of it was real for Tamara both when she says it to Neal and through the fact she confirms it to Greg in a scene where Neal isn’t there. The writers were not even subtle about showing us how fake that relationship was. They left no doubt.
Now I agree it might have been nice to hear more from Neal about such a huge betrayal, perhaps in a scene with Rumple about why he cannot trust him. Maybe they could have talked about Rumple having killed Milah, as they find Tamara’s body and Neal could have said he still didn’t want her to die, even if he hated the things she’d done. That could have been an interesting moment to show up their different instinctive reactions to betrayals. I’d have also liked it to lead into some discussion about Hook having run off with Milah and now Neals sort of facing the same worry. Then again, in the middle of rescuing Henry, on the run from Pan probably not the time they’d have discussed it anyway.
I feel like its never going to really get addressed though since when the story resumes a year has passed. There’ll be all these new things happening and like Graham’s death, or Belle’s incarceration it just won’t be relevant to the relationship between the characters in the face of new stresses.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
lol I love it.
So who’s Scar in this scenario, the evil uncle, is that WW? Hoping to dethrone little Prince Henry (As I said in chat one day WIcked: “I’ll get you Regina (and Emma) and your little Henry too!”
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
That is just heartbreaking! If that’s the way the writers characterized his point of view, it explains so much about his level of guilt over leaving Emma. Some people think the way he acted guilty implied he’d done things with ill intent, but that letter shows how Neal is the type to feel guilt over not trying hard enough even in a situation not his fault. He internalizes and feels responsible for things even when he’s not–but also he recognizes when he messes up (and he has messed up certain things, he’s no plaster saint).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Those are some goofy hats but they seem like they have fun together! It is adorable.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Marty–thanks for the kind words!
RG: I definitely prefer to think Malcolm sort of “fell out of love” rather than never loved and Milah did the same. In the fairy tale world of thinking, love doesn’t end so its a bit of cognitive dissonance. They didn’t want to care for Rumple and avoided trying to be reminded that they once did actually to the point of denying it ever happened. Cognitive Dissonance .
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I disagree with Rumple being at fault for making Pan evil! Malcolm was a grown man who would rather drink and gamble then watch after his son and provide a life for them. When given a chance to start over, he uses it for his selfish impulse of returning to a time where he could be carefree and happy. Somehow he’s not content with that, and starts to recruit boys to be his minions on his quest for immortality, along the way playing such sadistic games that some of them are maimed. He cruelly goes to see his son, kidnapping his own grandson, in some kind of mind game designed to reinforce that his son is worthless and everyone he loves will leave him. That isn’t something Rumple just caused by thinking it was evil so it became so–that’s blaming the victim really. “Well if you didn’t mind if I treat you horribly, then it’s not a problem right? So its your fault for minding, otherwise my behavior would be just fine!”. I don’t know Pan wanted to apologize–he just didn’t want to feel bad about what he’d done.
Pan implies in their final confrontation that he never loved his son and always resented him. Is that true? Or is it just what Pan convinced himself over the years to help him justify the temptations that drew him away from a boy he once seemed to have some affection for ?Even as Pan he remembered Rumple’s favorite breakfast, but as Malcom he took him to the spinners, he seemed as if he just wanted to be left alone in some ways, rather than actively wanting to destroy his son’s happiness. So it’s hard to say what it was Pan felt because it didn’t seem like he burned with the need for revenge against Rumple for being born, but at the same time he showed very little compassion or concern for him. On the other hand, it could seem like everything he said or did was just a game to inflict pain on Rumple, a cruel game like Lucy putting the football in front of Charlie Brown, knowing she’ll see his hope, then yanking it away. That might not be “evil” but it certainly is sadistic when you think about it.
I don’t think it was just Rumple’s fears that corrupted Pan. Pan seemed to be busy manipulating and scheming all on his own, quite apart from Rumple’s thoughts. It was a shock and surprise to Rumple when the shadow hauls him off, and then we see Pan talking to the shadow in the cave. So I don’t think Rumple influenced Pan by his dark fears and turned Pan into this awful thing–I think Pan slowly turned himself into that with the years of isolation and his raw ambition running unfettered by any societal limits or reasons to care what others think. The shadow may have played some role too.
We don’t know who or what the shadow was, if it was Malcolm’s doubts or fears made corporeal or just the exiled black fairy, or what it could possibly be, some kind of pure evil thing? For some reason though once it entered Malcolm, he began to be much more calculating than I think he’d been before. I feel like it was the start of his turning evil as opposed to just irresponsible and selfish. I do think as I said, it was a process for Pan, going from strategic thinking to maintain his youth and fun, to just enjoying harming others for kicks, to telling himself he’d never even loved his son, and wanting to kill those his son loves, just to hurt him.
At that point, where you reach a state with a person who doesn’t even see what they’re doing is wrong and doesn’t care on any level about the harm they do others, that to me sort of seems nearing a state of irredeemable evil. Regina really seemed as if she’d gone that far but somehow that last little shred of decency in her roared to life because of Henry. Pan couldn’t understand her love for her son as he’d eliminated any memory of feeling that way himself (if he ever had, as I said, its sort of unclear) so he underestimated her. Without the capacity to care for anyone but yourself (and I don’t think “loyalty” as a technical love loophole counts…!) , combined with the active feeling of pleasure at the suffering of others, that’s where I think a character deserves to be called evil even if none of the other characters use the term. Pan got to that state all on his own, without Rumple thinking that into being from what we can tell.“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I love the green apple thing lol
I’m still not sure if they’ll be sisters, but I’m expecting a big ol’ fight with a crazy villain so if she is a sister that’ll just be sad and heartbreaking for Regina. We need a villain who isn’t related and it can be no holds barred so the stakes seem higher.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Hobos around the fire, staying warm! (It’s a photoshop someone did of the Behind the Scene cast twitter photo).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Things do change sometimes in terms of the process between production and writing.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
