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I just had a thought what if Regina added her own Fail Safe after she adopted Henry. What if Henry is somehow magically connected to Regina’s fail safe black diamond and that the only way it can be activated is if Henry is sent to another realm by magic. Remember Regina told Henry before she erased his memory that the 2 of them could leave for the Enchanted Forest before the fail safe was activated.

So I’m thinking that once GOAT kidnap Henry and go through the magic bean portal to possibly Neverland that device is somehow activated

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I don’t think Laine MacNeil’s youth precludes her from being Ariel. If anything, she best fits the profile in my mind, since Ariel was only 16. She’s got the right color hair, which would satisfy a lot of Disney “purists” who insist on Ariel being a red head. The Little Mermaid doesn’t necessarily have to include the pirate. I actually prefer Ariel be with the traditional Prince Eric. And Once doesn’t have to show Ariel getting married; it could just be a sweet teen romance. Finally, I agree that we may just see a glimpse of Ariel in the finale, and we’ll meet her more in S3.

Maybe they will do a romance between Henry and a young Ariel? Henry’s getting to that age when he’s starting to notice girls. There were hints of it with Gretel/Ava in True North. Maybe Henry’s first crush/girlfriend is a mermaid. It would give some nice funny bonding moments as Henry asks Neal, Charming and Rumple for advice on girls.

Henry: How did you meet mom?
Neal: She was stealing the stolen car I was living in.

Henry: How did you meet Grandma?
Charming: She tried to steal from me, then when I tried to stop her, she hit me in the head with a rock.

Henry: How did you meet Belle?
Rumple: I made a deal with her that she had to be my housekeeper forever in exchange for saving her town from ogres.

Also there would be a nice moment over who should give Henry the “birds and the bees talk”

Emma: You should do it, you’re his father.
Neal: You’re his mother, you’ve known him longer than I have.
Emma: You’re a guy. It’s one of those guy things guys like to talk about.
Neal: You can give him the woman’s perspective.
Emma: I am not talking to my son about what’s happening…down there. It’s a guy thing. Just tell him what your father told you at that age.
Neal: I don’t want to scar the kid for life!

ROFL I can totally picture that happening 😆 😆 😆 😆 That just brought a huge smile on my face and believe me after the day I had on Friday I really needed that.

Since I’ve been working on spec scripts and various script interpretations for the last several weeks because of a Storytelling class that I’m taking in college and due to the fact that it’s 4am, my brain is to fried from doing tons of homework and I’m still to wired to try and sleep I may just have to spin a series of The Birds And The Bees Talk One Shots where Emma,Neal, Charming, Snow, Rumple, Regina and Hook try to talk to a preteen Henry about the birds & the bees, in Neverland after he encounters the mermaid Ariel.

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I wasn’t sure if this had been posted here or over on the Sneak Peeks Thread so please forgive me if this has already been posted

Taken From http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/05/once-upon-a-time-baes-circuitous-route-from-18th-century-london-to-present-day.html

‘Once Upon a Time’: Bae’s ‘circuitous route’ from 18th century London to present day

On the penultimate episode of “Once Upon a Time,” viewers are going to find out just what became of Baelfire when he fell through the portal in Fairytale Land. He ended up in 18th century London and, as you can see in the clip above, is living as basically a homeless street urchin when he is taken in by the Darling family, of “Peter Pan” fame.

But in true “OUAT” fashion, it’s not a complete replica of the famous novel.

“The direction that this takes is a little bit different than the classic J.M. Barrie version,” star Michael Raymond-James tells Zap2it. “We’re doing it a bit different. You’ll have to wait and see.“

We’re very excited to see Bae and Wendy Darling fly off to Neverland together, particularly because we want to know what Bae’s background is with Captain Hook, which Raymond-James says is coming.

“You’ll get some further clarity on the Baelfire/Neal backstory with Hook. That’s coming, it’s gonna be great. You’re gonna love it,” he teases.

But one has to wonder — how does Neal go from 18th century London as Bae to present-day U.S. as Neal, when he meets up with Emma?

“It wasn’t a direct line, it was a circuitous route through time and space in order to land in time to meet Emma,” says Raymond-James. “There wasn’t a direct line, there were stops.“

We hope Season 3 will let us in on that journey. “Once Upon a Time” airs Sunday nights at 8 p.m. ET/PT on ABC. Get all the info at ABC’s official site.

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

You could be right, Phee, on the death being Granny's, which would make all prior speculation moot points. 🙂

I still think something tragic will happen to Baelfire, who we know gets transported out of SB to wherever MAP is, and that's the game-changer for him and Rumple. Whether Baelfire gets transported, body and soul, to EF or just his soul to wherever Philip's soul is the sticking point. But, I think you could certainly be right about Baelfire meeting MAP after Philip's soul has already been reunited with his body in the EF. That would actually make a lot of sense, and would save us having to spend extra time on MAP's subplot. Yet, at the same time, it's interesting to think they could be in 'Shadow NL” where lost souls go. Just a theory (not mine, but interesting).

Also, I’ve been thinking more and more about Emma’s role in what happens to Bae. Plus, there was this spoiler:

Emma’s big decision: As Storybrooke is faced with extinction, Emma will have a big decision to make in regards to the possibility of traveling with her family to fairy tale land. “When things are coming to a head, you don’t have as many choices as you once thought and you have to react on instinct,” Kitsis says. “Sometimes you have to put aside your personal feelings for the good of others because that’s what a true hero does.” Additionally, we’ll see Emma confront her feelings about Neal as well as her connection to magic. “We’re definitely going to explore the magic inside her,” Kitsis says.

Remember that little scene with Emma bodyslaming Tamara, probably to protect Neal, who had a gun pointed at his head in one of the promos. Maybe Tamara actually shoots Bae, but Emma’s internal True Love magic protects him, thus sparing his life (a la Lilly and Harry Potter but Emma survives, too). Tamara uses one of the beans to transport Bae out of SB, body and soul in tact, but Emma is left with the uncertainty of Baelfire’s fate. She thinks he’s possibly dead. Wacky theory, but there was a spoiler that Emma’s magic would come into full view in these last two episodes, and I’d love to see her use her protective powers in defense of Bae and/or Henry.

Slurpeez108 I think you’re right, I would almost bet that Emma’s magic will come into play at somepoint during both episodes in defense of both Henry & Neal because of GOAT I believe that along with Phee’s theory could very well “Pan” out

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@Phee wrote:

THR: To say that the family tree is complicated is an understatement. How do you keep track of all the connections?

Raymond-James: This family tree is a f—ing wreath man! You’re not going to quiz me are you? [Laughs] It’s incredibly complicated. You really do have to draw a map with lines and pictures and it starts to look like an FBI manhunt.

OMG I love this guy! I literally LOLd, just imagining him saying this. 😆 😆

@RumplesGirl wrote:

I like it but something is going to have to be “off” about the death in order for them to think that there is more to his “death.” like it has to be a magical death in order for them think there is a possibility that he is “alive” which makes me think that his death has something to do with the fail-safe. That part of the consequence of him trying to turn off the failsafe is that his spirit is taken to FTL

You all have had some intriguing discussion on this topic, and it’s got me thinking. Just to throw my 2c in, this something having to be “off” about the “death” has been a bit of a hangup for me whenever I ponder this topic.

In order for them to believe Nealfire to be dead, there's gotta be something left behind for them to see.

A body is the best evidence, but I haven't been able to convince myself that his soul gets separated, (though if it did, that could potentially be a parallel to feed into the theories about the Pan shadow having been separated from Bae). I know he ends up with MAP, so that's where the sucked soul speculation is founded. But I keep coming back to thinking that MAP are in FTL after having brought Phillip's soul back, and Nealfire runs into them when they're sitting around wondering what to do next. And I don't believe that anyone in SB has the capabilities to wraith Nealfire.

So if I don't think that his body is still there in SB for them to find, then what else could be an indicator for them that something happened to him? This led me the other night to dig up the pics of Nealfire with MAP on the beach, in case he wasn't still wearing his scarf or something, and maybe the SBers find it all bloodied. But he's still got the scarf, (and his big coat) on with MAP.

So if there's no body and no bloodied clothing, that's what keeps me from thinking that Nealfire could be the “death”. Which is why I keep coming back to it being Granny. Seriously, why couldn't someone have seen what Beverley was up to when they were shooting these scenes?! GAH!

Anyway, my current pet theory as to what happens to Nealfire is that Tamara senses he's suspicious and she pops a bean and pushes him down a portal to get rid of him. In one of slurpeez's posts in this thread, that mark on Nealfire's hand was brought up again. I'm gonna mash that into this theory I've got going on and say that when Tamara pushes him into a portal, he's holding the failsafe gem, and it gets destroyed and burns his hand.

Now, of course, there's also the question of how everyone knows that Nealfire has actually disappeared if he just vanishes down a portal with only Tamara around. Maybe Granny will see it, and then Tamara will see her, and go after her, and then with her dying breath, Granny tells Emma what she saw? Nice little parallel to the scene with August, only this time the info actually gets out.

With the Granny theory, we've been saying she'd overhear something at the B&B which would lead to her demise at the hands of GOAT. Well, maybe that something is that Nealfire finds the gem hidden under that floorboard, and he confronts Tamara about it, they argue and struggle, which Granny hears, so she goes to investigate. Then she sees Tamara push Nealfire (still holding the gem tightly in his fist so Tamara can't get it) down the portal. And because Granny is badass, she follows Tamara to investigate further. But she gets spotted while she's spying on GOAT having a secret meeting down on the rocks, and they attack her and leave her for dead, completely unaware that Granny ain't just some regular old lady, she's a tough nut, who hangs on just long enough to be found and pass on the info.

That would explain Beverley not being seen while they were shooting, if she is indeed the one lying dying on the rocks. Granny's death alone would be enough to upset Henry and Emma and warrant their expressions in the photos. But if Granny also tells them what's happened to Nealfire, that explains why Rumple's looking upset, and it also adds a whole second level to Emma and Henry's reactions.

Egad, I rambled. 😆

PS. RumplesGirl, you’ve been merging threads like a BOSS. Thanks for keeping things organised.

Phee I can actually buy into this theory because the of BTS pics of Neal with MAP, the BTS of Granny, along with Henry ,Emma, Rumple, David and Snow.

Sorry RG & Slurpeez108 but I don’t think Neal will be the one who will be dead or appear dead. I still think it will be Granny

I think the game-changer between Neal & Rumple will have to do with the Seer's prophecy about Henry being Rumple's undoing I suspect that Rumple will tell Lacey about the Seer's prediction and she will try to encourage Rumple to kill his own grandson and Neal may over hear it and Rumple will end up choosing his son & grandson over Lacey and her darkness which could prompt Rumple's gut wrenching decision to walk away from the woman he loves. I think that is when Belle will get her memory back.

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I think the game-changer between Rumple & Neal will involve Neal, Emma, Henry, Rumple & Belle/Lacey I get the impression that it will be gut wrenching but also positive I suspect that Rumple will choose Neal & Henry over Darkness & Lacey

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Taken From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/once-upon-a-time-michael-raymond-james_n_3206756.html?utm_hp_ref=celebrity&ir=Celebrity

‘Once Upon A Time’: Michael Raymond-James Previews Neal And Emma’s Relationship & ‘Second Star To The Right’

In HuffPost TV’s recent conversation with creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis, we learned that the two-part “Once Upon a Time” finale (airing May 5 and May 12 at 8 p.m. ET on ABC) will give us “more background” on the enigmatic Neal/Bae (Michael Raymond-James), Rumplestiltskin’s (Robert Carlyle) long-lost son and Henry’s (Jared Gilmore) father.

With titles like “Second Star to the Right” and”And Straight on ‘Til Morning,” it should come as no surprise that we’re going to meet some familiar characters from a particularly beloved story, as well as explore the tumultuous history between Neal and Hook (Colin O’Donoghue).

In preparation for the finale, The Huffington Post spoke to Raymond-James about what the finale has in store for Neal’s relationships with his father, Emma (Jennifer Morrison) and the untrustworthy Tamara (Sonequa Martin-Green), and much more.

In the first 10 minutes of “Second Star to the Right,” we see that Neal doesn’t hesitate to lay a guilt trip on his father for his recent behavior. What can you preview about their dynamic in the rest of the episode?

First of all, there was a moment [in “The Miller’s Daughter”] where [Gold’s] on the phone with Belle and feels like he’s about to die and I’m exposed to this side of a man that I’m totally unfamiliar with. And you start to see the beginnings of what could possibly become a reconciliation there. But after that happens, there’s very little interaction between the two of them … That both confuses and hurts Neal, and there’s so much unfinished business between the two of them, I think you start to see two people really trying to grapple with that.

He tells Gold that he’s only staying in town for Henry, but there must be a part of him, deep down, that’s longing for that reconciliation. Will we start to see Neal coming to terms with that?

I think that Neal has some rough edges, for sure, but deep down, I think he’s a person that is always hoping that given enough time and the right amount of effort that things can be reconciled … No matter what we’ve done to each other, he’s still my dad. He’s always going to be my dad. The circumstances that we find ourselves in are incredibly difficult, but I think despite what either one of us may say or do, there’s still a glimmer of hope that someday I can have the father/son relationship with my dad that I’ve always wanted. Absent of that, I can try to create the father/son dynamic that I’ve always wanted my own son.

Emma is still very suspicious of Tamara’s motivations — and rightly so — but how does Neal feel about being caught between this rock and a hard place?

Emma continues to try to convince Neal of what the audience knows and what she suspects. And I think it’s hard for Neal … he’s not ready to even imagine another betrayal on that level — on the level of his father — that it could happen again. So I think the spot Neal finds himself in is one in which the eye sees what it wants to see, and ear hears what it wants to hear. So at this point, it’s almost impossible for him to image the depth of that betrayal.

Would that kind of betrayal force him to close himself off completely to avoid getting hurt further, or do you think there’s hope for him and Emma down the road?

The Neal/Emma dynamic is one that I’m particularly fond of … These are two people who care so deeply about each other and they also share a child together. And the thing with Neal, the most important thing is being the best father he can be. So that’s the motivating factor in how to approach a lot of this and sometimes,there are no perfect answers. So he’s trying to proceed with caution and do things as best as he can with the information he has available. But he’s always had feelings for Emma that have never gone anywhere. They’ve always been there and he finds himself in a new situation he didn’t anticipate. So how he goes forward from here is something that we start to see discussed and we begin to scratch that surface.

The episode’s flashbacks also deal with Neal/Bae’s past, in which he meets Wendy Darling. Obviously, you’re not in those scenes because Bae’s still a child, but is there anything about that story that you can preview?

it’s going to be a great ride. I don’t want to say too much, but I want to get people to watch it because I think it’s such a great two-part finale and that a lot of questions people have had are going to start being answered … if not completely, we will begin to answer them. It’s also going to lead to more questions on other fronts, and everything has repercussions in this world, so it’s exciting. I’m really excited for people to see it.

Adam and Eddy told us that the second part of the finale will be fairly Hook-heavy in the flashbacks. Is there anything you can tease about their relationship?

We know that they have known each other, and you’re going to absolutely see some of those questions be answered. [Laughs.]

Neal’s obviously very mistrustful of magic, given that it tore his family apart and changed his father completely. Do you think that there’s any part of him that could understand Tamara’s perspective on it when he finds out the truth, or would the betrayal be too great?

Tough question. I sense that Neal may not be the biggest fan of magic because of his experiences with it, but at the same time Neal, can’t imagine wanting to hurt people over [magic]. It’s the difference between dying for a cause and killing for a cause and I don’t think Neal could ever understand anybody killing for a cause.

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Taken From http://www.hypable.com/2013/05/02/once-upon-a-time-michael-raymond-james-season-finale/

‘Once Upon a Time’ star Michael Raymond-James talks season 2 finale, Neal/Emma romance

Once Upon a Time actor Michael Raymond-James, who plays Bae/Neal, gives some hints about the season 2 finale in a new interview.

Only two episodes remain of Once Upon a Time‘s second season. Their titles “Second Star to the Right” and “And Straight on ‘Til Morning” make it clear that they’ll be focusing on the Peter Pan story, and Bae will have a pivotal role to play – but how?

Speaking to HitFix, Raymond-James teases that Neal, “Has some bumps coming up. There is a lot of unfinished business coming up with Neal and Emma and his dad [Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold].”

In the finale, we’ll see some of Neal’s issues resolved, while more present themselves. “I think Neal is gonna begin to sort of say, gosh, what do I do now?” Raymond-James says. “There’s a lot coming up that’s going to answer a lot of questions, but create new questions, too. We’re gonna get to see where we go from here, after what happens in the finale.”

As far as the Neal/Emma ship is concerned, the actor tells TV Line that while Neal still feels guilty for leaving Emma, “He felt he didn’t have a choice in the matter. I mean, we’re talking about her saving a townful of people that he grew up with, people from Fairytale Land. So in Neal’s mind, he jumped on a grenade in the name of the greater good.”

Finally, Zap2It has a featurette video about Baelfire, which includes a new season 2, episode 21 sneak peek.

“Neal is always going to have feelings for Emma, no matter what,” he says. “Those feelings can’t be put in a jar and set aside, you’re always carrying them with you. Neal is, anyway.”

Will Neal and Emma move closer to rekindling their romance in the final two episodes of the season?!

Once Upon a Time season 2, episode 21 “Second Star to the Right” airs Sunday at 8/7c on ABC.

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Taken From http://www.examiner.com/article/once-upon-a-time-neal-and-emma

‘Once Upon a Time’: Neal and Emma

On May 1, Zap2It posted some interesting news about “Once Upon a Time” characters Neal and Emma. Michael Raymond James, who plays Neal, talks about the final episodes of the show.

Warning: If you do not want to know possible “Once Upon a Time” spoilers, then stop reading.

Emma has suspicions about Tamara and as fans know, she has tried to warn Neal, but he is not listening. The actor said that his character simply is not ready to accept another betrayal. He said,

“Emma’s certainly going to keep trying to get Neal to see, but the place Neal’s at is the eye sees what it wants to see, the ears hear what it wants to hear. It’s incredibly difficult for him to turn that corner and even entertain the idea that a big betrayal, akin to being betrayed by his father, would happen again. It’s something that he’s not ready to even think about.”

In regards to his feelings about Emma, a sneak peek clip revealed that Neal talks to her. He says that he regrets leaving her and admits that he never forgave himself for it.

Even though he is engaged to Tamara, his feelings for Emma are going to always be there. That will certainly make it more difficult to remain in a relationship with his bride-to-be.

Are you looking forward to watching the final two episodes of “Once Upon a Time?”

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I wouldn’t surprised if we didn’t get anymore sneak peeks this week since they already gave us the first 8 minutes online over in ABC.com But It would sure be nice if they did

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