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ParticipantOkay after seeing both the US & Canadian Promo’s for Selfless, Brave And True Here is my speculations & Theories about Tamara.
I am changing my position on Tamara originally I thought she could just be an ordinary normal person from this world now I’m not so sure I think there is definitely more to her character. I have the feeling that she knew August and who he really is and if that is the case then I think it is entirely possible that she and August could have worked together to get Henry to Storybrooke when he was born. I think Tamara may have spied on August’s & Neal’s meeting in New York. I’m beginning to suspect that Tamara could also be Greg’s mysterious “Her” I don’t think she could be Tinkerbell but I do think Tamara could possibly be a fairy who maybe wants revenge on Rumple for a past wrong. We know that Rumple has killed faries before in the past and one way to get revenge on Rumple would be to go after his son who escaped to this world before the curse.
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ParticipantLook what I found this morning it’s another spoiler pic of Emma & Neal on the beach and this appears to be closer up
lisas
Participant@HappyEndings wrote:
New tibit – Lighting Round 6 – The Bosses answered you questions
Neal (Michael Raymond-James) has been to Neverland, but does that necessarily make him Peter Pan?
Kitsis: It does not!
Horowitz: Twitter is making an assumption. We can’t answer questions based on assumptions.Was Neverland also affected by the curse?
Horowitz: Can’t say.For a while there I was really thinking that Neal could have been a lost boy that made it to our world but it’s looking more & more like Neal/Baelfire could actually be Peter Pan.
Based on Adam’s answer in regards to the curse affecting Neverland. I’m thinking it may not have affected it.
But now I’m wondering if Neal is the one who will either make the suggestion to Emma & Charming and Snow about taking Henry to Neverland for his protection or if he just decides to not say a word to anyone and just takes Henry to Neverland to protect him from Regina & Rumple.
lisas
Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
I’m betting they will be shooting 22 while we’re on Spring Hiatus. I hope. We’ve got three weeks of nothing, it’s going to drive me nuts and having some pics from the season finale will help occupy our time.
Yeah RG I agree with you having those pics will help alot.
lisas
Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
21. Adam tweeted today that they’re finishing 22 script.
Well I’m wondering how far into filming episode 21 they are ? Because I think it takes about 2 weeks to film an episode. Then it goes into post production which would include editing, special effects, etc. in order to get it ready for airing.
If they are into 21 now then they could end up shooting 22 sometime this month possibly into April.
lisas
ParticipantSince it’s listed as film shots for episode 2 x 21 I’m inclined to think that it could be Neverland.
lisas
Participant@RumplesGirl wrote:
Well then the question becomes who is really responsible for Cora’s death. Is it Snow? It is Regina? Is it Rumple? Is it Cora herself?
I tend to believe that Cora is responsible for her own actions. But blame is in the eye of the beholder. Rumple believes he was justified in manipulating Snow because he was dying and thus he can claim “I did nothing.” Snow believes she made the right decision in that moment because of all the evil Cora had done but now believes herself to be responsible. Regina thinks Snow is to blame but ignores all the terrible things her mother has done because she finally had one really great moment with Cora. It’s messy. But having been confronted with death after almost 300 years, Rumple doesn’t want to come close to that again so he goes Dark Side.
This season has been pretty big for Rumple. He’s made progress, he has. He finally openly admitted that he was a coward and that magic is his crutch. He stopped himself from killing Hook because of Belle. And then he opened up to Belle and Bae. So when the writers take a big step backwards like this, I become very confused. And with other spoilers we’ve seen, we assume he's going to try and win back Belle and that (in the same episode) there are some pics of Bae/Henry/Rumple having what looks like family time. So I have to believe that there will be another part of this episode where Rumple relents and steps up to prevent more bloodshed.The way I look at this is in my opinion that in the end it was karma coming back around because Cora herself is ultimately responsible for her own death because she alone is the one who set the course of events into motion starting long ago. Cora had free will, she wanted power and she got it 2 ways 1.) By marrying the king’s son & 2.) By learning dark magic from Rumple. Cora used that magic to control Regina & every aspect of her daughters life including killing Daniel in front of Regina in order to put Regina in a position to become queen. Cora admitted that she did set Regina up to save a young Snow, whose mother she killed in vengeance because of what Eva did to her years prior. As we learned in 2×16 “The Queen Is Dead” Cora tried to manipulate Snow into using that candle before Eva died, when that didn’t work she waited until circumstances put Snow and her father near their castle and she set in motion a plan to put Regina in a position that she wanted her in. She manipulated an innocent Snow into telling her about Regina’s true love Daniel. Cora’s act in killing Daniel sparked Regina’s hatred of Snow and her desire to make Snow pay. So in a sense Cora passed her hatred of Eva & Snow down to Regina who continues to hate Snow into present day Storybrooke. Regina herself is not without blame either because she herself has done some reprehensible and unforgiving things to Snow mainly using poor genie Sidney’s love for her into killing Snow’s father, etc. All the way down the line to enacting the curse that Rumple made so that he come to this world to find his Bae and reunite with him. While Rumple may feel like he is justified by his actions in order to save his own skin from Cora & Regina. I think there will be reprecussions that will come back around to bite him.
The only person who is completely blameless in this entire fiasco is Snow herself because it was both Cora’s & Regina’s long line of actions against her that finally took it’s toll on her. Everyone has a breaking point and Snow finally reached hers when they killed Johanna right in front of her and Cora admitted to killing her mother queen Eva. I can see how Rumple played on that and was able to manipulate Snow the way he did. When Charming found her you could tell that she instantly regretted what she had done.
Now as far as Rumple goes he is not completely without blame in all of this he knew that she would find the candle and that when she said she could get rid of 2 evils at once Rumple automatically used their grandson Henry as a way to manipulate Snow into helping him deal with Cora. While Rumple may feel like he is justified by his actions in order to save his own skin from Cora & Regina. I think there will be reprecussions that will come back around to bite him maybe in this episode or in future episodes this season. Rumple never does anything that is not going to help serve his interests in the the future
I have to wonder with Rumple’s refusal to help Emma, David & Henry stop Regina from enacting this curse on Snow & Henry that Emma will end up going to Neal to get him to step up and help her & David protect their son and her mother. If that is the case Emma is going to have to tell Neal about Regina being Henry’s adopted mother and why she put Henry up for adoption in the first place. Which I suspect will tie into Episode 2×18 when August returns in “Selfless, Brave and True”
We know that Neal really doesn’t like magic after seeing what it did to Rumple I am beginning to wonder if the events in this episode start prompting Neal into thinking he may need to take Henry to another land in order to protect him. ?
Thoughts anyone ?
lisas
Participant@thatheles wrote:
They said we won’t “see him” this season… doesn’t mean that Bae isn’t him and persay there will not be a flashback of Bae as Peter until next season. They also said at Paley that “there will be a character referred to who is “in or from the new land we will go to” that we will not see until next year… 🙂
That’s right they did say that. Based on the casting calls and the MJR’s tweets I’m pretty confident in thinking that Neal aka Baelfire is Peter Pan
lisas
Participant@Jolly Roger wrote:
Maybe Felix isn’t Peter Pan. I remember Adam and Eddy saying another time that we won’t see Peter Pan this season.
Love the picture that Micheal Raymond-James tweeted to us. He is a real class act.
lisas
ParticipantOkay I just seen the 5th sneak peek for episode 2×17 “Welcome To Storybrooke” These are just my thoughts and speculations on what I think could happen.
Here is the YouTube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0mt0aQ3viE
I had feeling that Regina would try to strike back at Snow, David, Emma, Neal and Rumple by trying to use Henry, this doesn’t surprise me.
Rumple’s attitude towards this mess in which he started by the way when he manipulated Snow into using that candle and tricking Regina into killing Cora to save his own skin does surprise me considering his relationship with Neal/Baelfire is somewhat improved after last weeks episode. I suspect that Emma may go to Neal about Rumple’s refusal to even protect his own grandson from Regina which will most like prompt Emma into telling Neal that she put Henry up for adoption when she had him in prison. I’m wondering if Neal & Henry will have a talk about magic I’m betting that this whole fiasco will make Neal decide to stay in Storybrooke to help Emma protect their son from Regina & Rumple.Could this episode prompt Neal, Emma, Henry, David & Snow to seriously consider going to another land to escape what Regina has in mind with this latest curse ?
There some things that are very clear to me based on the sneak peaks & spoilers for this episode and some of the spoilers & teases that we have been getting about future episodes1.) Henry is in danger from both Rumple & Regina.
2.) We know that Neal is sticking around for the rest of Season 2. It wouldn’t surprise me if they made MRJ a series regular by next season because his character is central to Emma, Henry & Rumple and possibly Hook as well.
3.) We know from the spoiler pics & the promo’s from this episode that Henry tries to get rid of magic by blowing up the well and in the promo Neal,Emma,Henry,& Regina are in the forest near the well.
4.) We know by Adam & Eddy at PaleyFest that we are going to see another land and that land could be Neverland based on the names of episode 2×21 & 2X22.Thoughts Anyone ?
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