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Although Jafar has not appeared in the season 4, it could well appear in season 5. Perhaps the presence of Will in the series will be a prelude to his return. If we are lucky maybe Jafar will appear as cliffhanger finale.
[adrotate group="5"]As far as WL goes, Nyx apparently took away his omnipotence, put the laws of magic back into place and reversed everything he did. So I doubt he can.
BUT!!!! Jafar has broken the laws of magic once and there is no reason why he wouldn’t be able to again. All he would need would be another sorcerer and two more genies and that could be a way to introduce the Aladdin plot line. So if they brought Jafar as the villain of Season 5, they have a potential story.
Already. But is it possible that perhaps, even if Nyx has canceled all spells made by Jafar, and that turned him into a genie before change back into humans Will and the brothers of Cyrus. It may therefore be that maybe, Nyx has not broken the curse of the genes from which Jafar has drew power, but simply has transferred it at Jafar, and so now it is the bottle in that Jafar is imprisoned the source of his power rather than those he had used for the ritual. And then maybe, until Jafar remain a genie, he still has that power. And we must remember even that, after Maleficent, is Jafar the most popular disney villain. And we must also remember that one of the things for that Jafar is famous, is the fact that he is the most powerful disney villain, excluding the divinities. So if they insert him in the main series, for sure they have to respect this his characteristic and exploiting him better than they did in the spin off. And then, if he hasn’t anymore the power of the ritual, he must really find a way to become powerful, however, because without his Snake Staff perhaps is at the same level of Regina, Cora, and Maleficent. But it sure is weaker than Zelena and Rumple (while, with it, probably he would be at the same level of Zelena, but always weaker than Rumple).
I disagree. Pan abandoned Rumple and then minded his own business for centuries with the exception when he was gathering his first batch of Lost boys and Baelfire got involved, however, he wasn’t specifically targeting Baelfire. The Neverland arc only happened because it was Henry. Had it been any other boy except Henry, Pan’s plan would’ve gone off without a hitch and he and Rumple would never have had to interact again. What the Sultan did to Jafar was bad but Cora’s abuse of Regina was more damaging to Regina in the long run. Daniel was the one ray of hope in Regina’s life under the oppressive thumb of Cora and Cora snuffed it out and used a child as the fall guy.
But that does not change that even Cora is became evil because of the bad things that have happened to her (whereas Malcolm and the sultan were a slacker and a tyrant just because it was in their nature). And then it does not change that Cora has never said to Regina to beat someone when she was a child. In fact, even excluding what the Sultan did to Jafar, we also think his relationship with Mirza. He has grown up, educated, and loved. Exalted his worst impulses instead of being stern and give him discipline. He wanted that him to learn to be bad and misbehave with everyone. And in the end we saw that when his father needed him abandoned him right away, acting like a coward, without any hesitation. At least Regina has a backbone. Why, despite all that she did to her, Regina would not abandoned Cora in the same way in that Mirza has abandoned the Sultan. And then the fact remains that she has repented of what she did in Regina, whereas Peter Pan and the sultan never had remorse for their past crimes. This is because the producers of the series have officially stated that when Regina has put his heart in her chest, Cora has experienced all the emotions and feelings that she has denied to herself for all her life.
Welcome Luciano!! What part of Italy are you from? I traveled there a few years ago, to Florence specifically and then later, took a day trip to Venice.
I am of the lazio.
Can Jafar still bring back the dead?
This is a good question. Because, if he return, for sure the situation it would be more fun if he has yet the powers that he had obtained with the ritual. Because in fact it would be interesting to see who is the most powerful between Rumplestiltskin and Jafar with the power of the ritual. Moreover Jafar and Rumpelstiltskin have several things in common. Both have been abandoned and betrayed from his own father. Both have killed their fathers. Both have learned something negative from their fathers. Both have renounced at the best side of themselves to get their powers. Both are dependent on the power. Both use the power for try to compensate for the emptiness in their hearts. So an interaction and a confrontation magical and psychologically between them would be interesting.
Cora, Pan, the Sultan — they’re all pretty bad in their own way. Each of them did pretty despicable things to their own children and all three actions ended with emotionally damaging their children, one way or another. But I thing that sets them apart is regret. No regret, I’d say they’re horrible people altogether.
No. Cora has repented of what she did when she got back the her heart. And actually the Regina discourse to her mother when has believed her dead has really touched her deeply (even if she still haven’t recovered the her heart). And in fact she apologized to her daughter for having forced her to marry the king.
But Cora’s apology, however sincere it was, the point of it was to manipulate her way back into Regina’s life. So she could have control over Regina’s life once again. And probably continue abusing her as well.
And before she died, when she recovered her heart, said at Regina that her quest for power was unnecessary and that it was enough the love of her daughter to make her complete and satisfied (and note that the heart of Cora was completely red. And then it hasn’t never been affected by all the bad things she has done).
There’s a saying. It’s easier to forgive than to forget. I think if Cora had lived, with her heart back in her chest, it wouldn’t be simple a happily ever after for Cora and Regina. There would be a lot that she would have needed to atone for her. It wasn’t just Daniel that Regina lost, it was most of her childhood too where Cora abused her.
And another thing that makes Cora best of the sultan and Peter Pan, is that she, despite her mistakes, was able to make herself be loved by her daughters.
I have no doubt Cora loved Regina but was definitely a warped kind of love. I think even Barbara Hershey said something to that effect in an interview. And of course Regina loved her mother. Cora was her mother. Often times when abuse happens, I think in most cases, it comes from someone that is very close to the victim. And in those instances, when the victim is being abused by someone that they love, the victim doesn’t know how he or she should respond and learns growing up, as Regina did, that this is what love is like. That’s what Regina learned fairly quickly with Henry, that was she was starting to become her mother by using magic on him to make him love her! Because it’s what Cora did to her!
even Regina, despite all the bad things that Cora has did to her, she don’t hate her really.
I never said Regina hated her mother. I know she loved her but again, Cora still a lot of awful things to her that I think, even if Cora had lived with her heart, would not have absolved everything that she did. Everything Cora did, she still would have answered to Regina too. Regina would have held her accountable for her actions.
Probably you’are right. But the point here is not if Cora is a good or a bad person (because is obvious that she is a bad person). But who is worse between her, Peter Pan, and the sultan. And the Sultan and Peter Pan are always worse of her.
If the Sultan had been at the place of Cora, he would not leave Zelena in the woods, but it would kill her directly (as it has been so cruel as to murder a child, can be quite cruel to murder a newborn). And then of course, if you want to talk about that instead of parents have educated their children, remember that the sultan had a son who was raised and educated (Mirza). And we have seen what has become that son.
I still think Cora is the worser parent.
Another point in favor of Cora against the sultan, is that Cora, although it has made a bad action in abandoning Zelena, she did it because she could not hold her (considering that if she did both would have had a terrible life because Zelena would have been labeled as bastard, while Cora would have been labeled as whore), whereas the Sultan has abandoned Jafar because he don’t wanted hold him. Zelena in fact, compared to Jafar, hasn’t never have kept grudge against her mother, because she understood that her abandonment was forced by the circumstances. In fact, with her time travel, she wanted prevent that the pregnancy of Cora was discovered because she knew that if she had not been discovered and she had married the prince, Cora would never abandoned her.
Cora, Pan, the Sultan — they’re all pretty bad in their own way. Each of them did pretty despicable things to their own children and all three actions ended with emotionally damaging their children, one way or another. But I thing that sets them apart is regret. No regret, I’d say they’re horrible people altogether.
No. Cora has repented of what she did when she got back the her heart. And actually the Regina discourse to her mother when has believed her dead has really touched her deeply (even if she still haven’t recovered the her heart). And in fact she apologized to her daughter for having forced her to marry the king. And before she died, when she recovered her heart, said at Regina that her quest for power was unnecessary and that it was enough the love of her daughter to make her complete and satisfied (and note that the heart of Cora was completely red. And then it hasn’t never been affected by all the bad things she has done). And it should be remembered that when Snow and Regina have evoked her from the dead, Cora has really helped to understand the truth about Zelena, although instead they have believed that she wanted to hurt them. And also note that Cora has become evil also because of all the bad things that have happened to her in the her life. Instead at Malcolm and at the Sultan nothing is happened to them. Malcolm was simply a slacker who did not want thoughts, worries or responsibilities, and the Sultan was simply a tyrant (and precisely, Cora has repented of what she did, but their instead no). And another thing that makes Cora best of the sultan and Peter Pan, is that she, despite her mistakes, was able to make herself be loved by her daughters. Zelena forgave Cora for abandoning her and wanted to change that event because she wanted to grow up with her and have her as a mother (in addition to being chosen by Rumpelstiltskin for do the dark curse), and even Regina, despite all the bad things that Cora has did to her, she don’t hate her really. Peter Pan instead hasn’t received anymore trust and love from Rumpelstiltskin. Instead for the Sultan, Jafar hated him immensely, and in fact has destroyed his life, tortured him for years, and at the ending has destroyed his mind before to killing him, while Mirza instead has abandoned him cowardly, when he needed of him.
I think Cora is probably the worst parent. Cora dressed up all her abuse and manipulations of Regina as “love” thus giving Regina a warped sense of what love was throughout her adult life. What Pan and the Sultan did to their sons was horrible but Rumple and Jafar knew that wasn’t love from their fathers so they could disengage from that. Also as has been pointed out, Cora left baby Zelena to die, and that was when she had a heart.
If the Sultan had been at the place of Cora, he would not leave Zelena in the woods, but it would kill her directly (as it has been so cruel as to murder a child, can be quite cruel to murder a newborn). And then of course, if you want to talk about that instead of parents have educated their children, remember that the sultan had a son who was raised and educated (Mirza). And we have seen what has become that son.
Cora should be excluded in this survey, because even if she did bad things in Regina, in her own way she loved her, and moreover also Cora has been transformed negatively by the bad things that have happened to her (she simply wanted to give at Regina just what she had always wanted for herself but that she had never had, and eventually apologized to Regina, and she admitted she was wrong, and on her deathbed, when she got her heart, she also admitted to Regina that her love was be enough to feel full and happy). As for Peter Pan and the sultan, although the sultan has not been transformed into a super villain he is the worst parent. Everything that Malcolm did as Peter Pan don’t count. In that circumstance now Rumpelstiltskin was a grown man, who had an his own life. And Peter Pan himself points out at him all the good things that he had when he tries to convince him to go away to Never Land. Therefore must be considered only what he did to Rumple when he was a child. And what he did to Rumpelstiltskin was simply abandon it, but at least leaving him with those two ladies who treated him well, that have loved him, and grown up with love. And then, with the exception of this, the childhood of Rumpelstiltskin was quite normal. Rumpelstiltskin himself admitted to Zelena that when he think of something happy he think at when he was with them. Peter Pan And then it became a monster because of his desire to live, because if it wasn’t for the problem of the hourglass, would simply be remain to Neverland to enjoy his life for eternity. And as Malcolm was a slacker quite normal, because even other parents, in real life, can consider their childs a thieves of time and money, and a hindrance to their dreams (regardless of whether they love them or not, and decide to keep them or not). The Sultan however was not a normal person. He was a man with a perverse and distorted perception of reality. We say that at least he loved his legitimate son Mirza, however, but we saw what kind of education has given to the son that he loved: he taught him to be cruel and maltreat the others (as it were, for who knows Game of Thrones, that if the sultan was the father of Joffrey, would have approved and encouraged his cruel behavior). It’s certainly not a good person if he thought that a leader must be cruel and terrorize his subjects. And that means in his life he will probably misbehaved even with other people, not only with Jafar.
He, before mistreating and then try to kill him (which he also did in cold blood with total and absolute indifference) has destroyed the innocence of childhood and Jafar. He tried to kill him, but even if he survived, he still lived a miserable life, first with a blacksmith who was cruel to him and then mistreated for each frivolity, and later was raised by Amara, but gave him education questionable, given that in his training caused him to kill an innocent person just for a spell. And the sultan has spent all his life, without forgetting to Jafar, without having any regrets about killing a child And when Jafar once grew arrived to seek revenge, the sultan showed off his not repentance for what he has done, and therefore indirectly also said he considered an outrage that presented itself before him when he does not gave him even allowed to be alive. And his reaction to the death of Mirza shows us which person was horrible. Because virtually criticized of having killed his son, someone who HIM has tried to kill. it is as if the Sultan thought that he can do what he wants and mistreat the others when he wants and that the others must only to submit and die. And all the while acting as a cocky and arrogant man who thinks he’s perfect and that are only others to make mistakes. It even groped to commit suicide to spite Jafar, showing that so hates him more than he loves himself (and Peter Pan wouldn’t never damaged himself for make sprite at Rumpelstiltskin). And is even an hypocrite because when is him at have the situation under control behaves like a monster, but when it does not have the knife by the handle starts to ape moralism. Because let’s face it, how can say they’ve learned from their mistakes if doesn’t regret what he did and did not admit its share of responsibility in what has become Jafar? Justified what he did to Jafar, saying that he had to earn his love, proves precisely his distorted perception of reality and perverse. Because for the sultan, it means that when you love someone you have to automatically be reckless with him and abuse him to the extreme. That should earn her love is not a valid reason to mistreat and kill somebody, and the sultan instead he thought that it was. And in general, in all the years in which he was a prisoner of Jafar, he never thought even for one moment to deserve what happened to him.
