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Rainbow, I read you link, but I don’t agree. I didn’t think the stakes need to be high. Who cares about stakes? Graham died, it eas was to show how Regina was still evil. Neal died for no reason at all other than to show that Gold wasn’t finished suffering, etc.
And the artical actually considered hook to have made a sacrifice??? Nope. Don’t like article.[adrotate group="5"]Jiminy’s journal, I loved that long post about how Neal couldn’t possibly not have unfinished business if a quill and a horse can have unfinished business, it was obviously to shut the Neal fans up. Also, a scene with Neal and Milah could have potentially be soooo beautiful!
So are they shutting us up, or…….. there is more to this story?
They mentioned Neal to shut us up, or to show how much moe love there is between him and Emma?
Was it to shut us up, or, open it up to more possibilities…This long post was VERY enlightening as well as very depressing. It bascally means that hook was just a 2 dimensional character as I always knew, and network CEOs WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TELLING A GOOD STORY forced A and E to turn what would have been an epic show into “just another run-of-the-mill boring tv that no one cares to follow” seriously, ABC, don’t you have enough of those? Let the WRITERS keep their show fresh and exciting! Wow, I am so dissappointed that artists have no creative freedom. Just look at how high the ratings were in season 2 compared to 3. In season 2 hook was just a side 2 dimentional comic relief character, in season 3 he became so boring and got way too much boring scrèen time, RATINGS WENT DOWN. it’s a direct result of hook becoming “important” in a boring way.
That sounds very nice, POM, but of course, it was Hook who pushed Zelena to use Neal to ressurrect Rumple. He wanted Neal dead so he could push himself on Emma. It all happened behind the scenes, of course, in that missing year.
Zelena knew Rumple was powerful and she wouldn’t DARE kill his son unless she was SURE that he will give up his dagger for the child. Hook saw him sacrifice for Bae and assured Zelena that he WILL sacrifice the dagger, and she can have him as her slave.
Hook got two wonderful things that he always wanted. Love, AND revenge. Emma will now be his, and he will watch from the sidelines how Zelena tortures Rumple in a cage and how Rumple grieves for the person he loved most. Just like Hook grieved for Milah.
It’s the only thing that makes sense. Therefore, it is my headcanon. And this is why I GET SO SCARED WHEN they involve Hook in things. Because I know he is a time bomb and he really shouldn’t know everything because he will hurt them with that knowledge.
I may be an overly optimistic fool, but I am stubbornly holding on to this straw of hope. that twitter message that Adam sent years ago
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@AdamHorowitzLA
@biancalxxo how do u know im not stringing along CS? How do u know what I’m doing? Mwah hahhahahahhaand this is why I don’t care WHAT spoilers say about CY because now that they are already talking about “dead is not dead if the author and the quill are alive in the underworld” and they can bring back Neal *SQUEEEEEEEEEE*
I am sorry for being such an optimist but I have been this way since 3×15! when they went back in time I was SURE they will bring Neal back with them. but now I have even more reason for being happy… HENRY wants to be in charge! there is hope, there MUST be.by the way, am I the only one who cringes whenever the heroes tell Hook what they are planning to do? I always feel so scared because my head canon is that Hook the the betrayer and anything they tell him will be sabotaged because he will go behind their backs… I just cant help it, I literally flinch whenever he knows about something important that they plan to do.
But it does speak to something that OUAT has been harping on a bit lately; that proper manhood is defined through aggression, violence and fighting. Rumple had to become a true hero by learning to fight with Merida and then fighting a bear for Belle as an example.
Well the Rumple and Merida story line and turning him into a hero was a train wreck. No doubt. , but it would be nice to see what changed Hook, and I don’t think having a corrupt ruler who wanted to use nightshade as a weapon is enough of a motivation to become a total butt face. And the revenge stuff for killing Milah is also getting old. I think it would help humanize Hook a bit and help understand his character a little more if we understood more about why he became the man with bad form. Or maybe I just don’t like the reasons the writers have already gave. Honestly, I used to really like Hook, so I’m struggling to figure out why I don’t like him as much anymore.
I think Hook Nd Gold are exact opposites. I think Rumple’s sin toward Hook was not so much that he killed Milah, but that a little, worthless, COWARD, who dared “stand up” to The Great And Honorable Captain Killian and ask for his wife back, came back years later with the upper hand. It’s like when a bully is picking on a nerd in school for years and then they meet as adults and that nerd is more successful AND he takes away his career or something. It STINGS and the bully HATES that guy more than ever
OK, where I live, if a boy snaps a girl’s bra on the playground, that boy would be expelled. It’s totally unacceptable, and it’s sexual harassment. Maybe this is why we don’t see eye to eye on this.
RG, btw I really enjoy your input on the podcast
Anyway, about the men being aggressive in order to be real men, is that what you call rape culture? Because in a way this is really terrible for gentle men like spinner Rumple who was more of a woman in Milah’s eyes and therefore unworthy. I would say it’s unfairly forcing “feminine” men to live outside of their comfort zone in order to be accepted into society. It is the most unfair culture, and more unfair to men than it is to women, I think.
But, look, Milah is an example of his cockiness. He said to her, after hearing that she is married and has a child, that hes there often if anything changes. She said it won’t, but he knew it would. He EXPECTED her to flock to him no matter what her status. Did he rely on drink? Well, obviously, she was in a bar. I am not sure how cannon it is that he slipped drinks for the women, butit IS cannon that he is narcissistic and simply expects women to run to him. It’s disgusting, of course, and ugly, but that was his personality from the start. It isn’t A&E s fault that some horny little teens pushed ABC to turn this beautiful show about family love into another cheap typical aggressive boy romance garbage. Originally he was meant to be a pompous bigshot who feels entitled to get the girl. And Emma was supposed to be the one girl who resists him on account that she is a decent human being who loves humble men like Neal
I also just watched clips at first, but eventually i saw the whole thing in hopes of understanding how Neal gets back etc.
Anyway,
I don’t think Hook was written to be
a rapist or anything. This was never the reason ratings went down. Ratings went down because Hook became really boring and ouat became a boyfriend/girlfriend highschool drama which is exactly like every single other show on TV, so that ouat was no longer unique.Even when we first meet him he takes Arora’s heart which is low, yet he saves it from the portal to SB. So he’s a villain but sort of chivalrous. So why does his character rub me the wrong way?
It is interesting to note that an antonym for chivalry is humbleness. And I think there is pretty much ONE WORD that would describe the Pirate Hook: conceited. He truely believes with all his heart that HE is the greatest thing that happened to the world.
Interestingly, another character on ouat with the complete opposite attitude is Mr. Gold. He is as humble as they come. And very possibly the reason Killian hated Rumple so much when they first met. When someone as pompous as that meets someone as tentative as Rumple, there is bound to be friction. In the playground, children who are arrogant usually pick on the timid ones. This is where bullying starts.
It is also interesting that some people are drawn to humble men in real life even though in movies it’s the cocky men who get the girl.
As written in the Daily Mail
When Hook behaves with chivalry he does it because HE, the Great Captain, deems this insignificant mortal fortunate enough to be rescued by his important self. In other words, he does “good” for his own ego, not because anyone is deserving of his kindness.
Meanwhile, Rumple sees himself as insignificant. So when Hook “took his wife” it was totally against his very nature to so to Hook’s ship and ask for his wife back. Hook sensed it right away, he sensed that here is a man who is “standing up” to him, yet he is timid and terrified and totally out of his comfort zone, so he “picks” on him. A perfect target for bullying. And when this unimprtant little coward came back as the Dark One, it was extremely offensive to Hook. Especially since he DARED kill someone that was part of to the Great and Amazing Captain Killian Jones!
So, no, Killypoo would NEVER rape a woman, he is too Umazing to ever have to FORCE himself on anyone. Women are supposed to flock towards him by the droves, it’s beneath him to EVA have the need to *force* anyone to do anything with him
Meanwhile, poor, worthless Rumple must save his child from the snake bite, and to do that he must KILL. now, everyone knows that murder is a terrible thing, but since Rumple is anyway a worthless piece of garbage, he doesn’t see anything wrong with him self killing someone… HOWEVER, his child is GOD! his child must have the best! So even though he, himself, wouldn’t matter to anyone, he must still be “good”, not because he is worthy of being good, but because his child is worthy of having good parents.
